gatomontes99 Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 On 3/3/2025 at 1:11 AM, CdnFox said: Starmer says Europe ‘must do heavy lifting’ as he seizes Ukraine peace talks from Trump Wow. Thats kind of a big deal. It's hard to imagine a more international slap in the face for trump. and his credit with Putin will have just taken a nose dive. Just for curiosity sake I would have loved to see what trump was going to present, but now I guess we'll never know. It'll be interesting to see what Europe proposes. I suspect we will have peacekeeping Missions in the not too distant future How is this a slap in the face for Trump, exactly? Other countries are finally chipping in. That is literally his second biggest gripe on international politics behind China's financial manipulations. This is exactly what he wanted. 1 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
User Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 46 minutes ago, Boges said: It's cool to see US arms makers stocks tank and European arms makers flourish. Trumpers are too stupid to realize that they've been sending money that stays in the US by supporting Ukraine. Sending US arms makes Americans money. But that's socialism I guess. 1930's style isolationism didn't work for the US. The one time America was Great is when it reached out to the rest of the world. Trump is doing the opposite of MAGA. Oh great, the broken windows economic theory again. Hey, lets break the windows in your house, because it will make all the glass makers and window installers money! Quote
WestCanMan Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 11 hours ago, CdnFox said: Sure, it's strategically located and that makes it an asset. Sorta. But more like "It's basically worthless as an ally in every way but 1, but that 1 thing makes it more valuable to us than countries with 100x as much economic and military power." Quote what you appear to be saying there is that russia started the war because they felt that the possibility that someday ukraine may be part of NATO was a threat rather than to look at a strong diplomatic solution. Sorta. Russia started that war because NATO was no longer just peacefully allowing countries to join: in Ukraine, they got ugly. They overthrew the gov't, and installed a new one that wasn't just pro-NATO, it was openly hostile to ethnic Russians. And NATO wasn't just a possibility under a Biden administration, NATO was absolutely going to be (I'm not sure what the proper word is here) inserted into Ukraine? It was going to annex Ukraine? It was going to be inflicted on Ukrainians no matter how much inappropriate force that required by America? In any event, NATO was coming - absolutely not in a peaceful, above-board manner - and it had the worst of intentions. It would have shown total weakness from Russia to not put up a fight there, and you can't show weakness in the face of aggressors like that. Russia would crumble into 10 parts if the leadership was too weak to defend their own people ad their own interests. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
WestCanMan Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 11 hours ago, eyeball said: He's your leader too. I feel just fine. It's about time. I never voted for him. I could care less but I'm glad your little heart is content imagining otherwise. I'd call BS, only I would almost be surprised if you didn't vote for the Khadr fan club. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Aristides Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Sorta. But more like "It's basically worthless as an ally in every way but 1, but that 1 thing makes it more valuable to us than countries with 100x as much economic and military power." Sorta. Russia started that war because NATO was no longer just peacefully allowing countries to join: in Ukraine, they got ugly. They overthrew the gov't, and installed a new one that wasn't just pro-NATO, it was openly hostile to ethnic Russians. And NATO wasn't just a possibility under a Biden administration, NATO was absolutely going to be (I'm not sure what the proper word is here) inserted into Ukraine? It was going to annex Ukraine? It was going to be inflicted on Ukrainians no matter how much inappropriate force that required by America? In any event, NATO was coming - absolutely not in a peaceful, above-board manner - and it had the worst of intentions. It would have shown total weakness from Russia to not put up a fight there, and you can't show weakness in the face of aggressors like that. Russia would crumble into 10 parts if the leadership was too weak to defend their own people ad their own interests. What joke, no one was strong armed to join NATO. Eastern European countries that spent 45 years under the Soviet boot needed no encouragement at all. Russia has been the aggressor. Russia is the only country that has attacked a neighbour. Your lifetime supply of Russian Kool Aid must have a lot of vodka in it. 1 1 Quote
Boges Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 24 minutes ago, User said: Oh great, the broken windows economic theory again. Hey, lets break the windows in your house, because it will make all the glass makers and window installers money! Except in your scenario it's Putin that broke the windows. Quote
User Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 2 minutes ago, Boges said: Except in your scenario it's Putin that broke the windows. It doesn't matter who broke the windows, your underlying argument that it is good for the economy to spend money on fixing broken windows is the absurdity. Quote
Boges Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 4 minutes ago, User said: It doesn't matter who broke the windows, your underlying argument that it is good for the economy to spend money on fixing broken windows is the absurdity. No it's good for certain companies. Wealth will move FROM America not into it...Thanks to Trump. Quote
eyeball Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 11 hours ago, Nationalist said: So then why would you support NATO expansion? I want to stop the proliferation of dictators in the world. 11 hours ago, Nationalist said: Why should anyone be beholden to either the EU or NATO? They shouldn't be and there's no reason to think anyone would. The EU and NATO are not a protection racket like America. 11 hours ago, Nationalist said: What has Russia ever done to threaten you? It's a rhetorical question because the honest answer is...nothing. Russia is a threat to stability in the world. They're vandals, arsonists and murderers. More dangerous than terrorists given the respectability they've been afforded, especially by powerful Western money launderers. 12 hours ago, Nationalist said: Why should the 2 greatest military powers on Earth, not be allies? Would that not create a lasting peace? Sure if this is your idea of peace, harmony and goodwill. WTF is the matter with you? 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 11 minutes ago, Boges said: No it's good for certain companies. Wealth will move FROM America not into it...Thanks to Trump. What wealth is moving? Again... this is the underlying stupidity of the whole broken windows theory. The United States was the one spending our own money on broken windows. Not doing that anymore is not moving wealth out of America. Quote
Nationalist Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 7 minutes ago, eyeball said: I want to stop the proliferation of dictators in the world. They shouldn't be and there's no reason to think anyone would. The EU and NATO are not a protection racket like America. Russia is a threat to stability in the world. They're vandals, arsonists and murderers. More dangerous than terrorists given the respectability they've been afforded, especially by powerful Western money launderers. Sure if this is your idea of peace, harmony and goodwill. WTF is the matter with you? Hilarious. Be afraid. There's a scary monster under your bed. It must be hard for you to be in such a state of constant fear. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Boges Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 1 minute ago, User said: What wealth is moving? Wealth from investors. Quote
User Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 1 minute ago, Boges said: Wealth from investors. What investors? Seriously man, you are just being deliberately obtuse now in your responses rather than admit your argument is bad. Quote
eyeball Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 8 minutes ago, Nationalist said: It must be hard for you to be in such a state of constant fear. It's easier when it's interspersed with fascination, anger, hilarity, disbelief etc 12 hours ago, Nationalist said: Why should the 2 greatest military powers on Earth, not be allies? Would that not create a lasting peace? The only way to sustain it would be with a corrupt police state where intimidation, fear, coercion, torture and murder rule. Yeah, I've been afraid of this happening for decades now, it's why I was posting the sort of stuff about America's methods you're apparently just getting woke to now. America's methods in the past were very questionable but at the very least people could plead they believed they were for the right reasons and they were on the right side. Not anymore. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted March 4 Author Report Posted March 4 3 hours ago, Boges said: It's cool to see US arms makers stocks tank and European arms makers flourish. Trumpers are too stupid to realize that they've been sending money that stays in the US by supporting Ukraine. Sending US arms makes Americans money. But that's socialism I guess. 1930's style isolationism didn't work for the US. The one time America was Great is when it reached out to the rest of the world. Trump is doing the opposite of MAGA. Look, i'm a strong opponent of trumps current tactics but what you're talking about makes no sense. They're BORROWING that money and spending it without compensation. And no matter WHAT you do that with you create inflationary pressure and future debt that will drag on the economy like an anchor. So at BEST the fact it stays in America only slightly eases the pain of it, it absolutely does not make it a benefit. If they continue along that path it will hurt the us more and more. so there definitely has to be an end to it, and in the foreseeable future. Trump is correct in that regard, this can't just go on forever and the US can't just foot the bill forever. There was significant additional advantage to the us in the beginning of the war (got rid of old gear, tested equipment to make it even better next gen, tactics could be studied and russian gear evaluated. ) But all those advantages have happened now, the old gear is gone, the tactics and equipment tested, russia is severely weakened and militarily depleted, no additional advantages will be gained there. So one way or another there has to be an offramp that is achievable and relatively soon. It can't just go forever 1 hour ago, eyeball said: It's easier when it's interspersed with fascination, anger, hilarity, disbelief etc The only way to sustain it would be with a corrupt police state where intimidation, fear, coercion, torture and murder rule. Well, trudeau will be looking for work soon, he sounds perfect to organize that. Quote
WestCanMan Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 2 hours ago, Aristides said: What joke, no one was strong armed to join NATO. Are you denying the US involvement in the Euromaidan protests? Are you denying that the US controlled the Ukrainian election? FYI Ukrainians made a free, democratic choice, and the US toppled that choice. Then the US physically imposed their own choices on Ukraine. Biden even admitted to that. "Well sonfab1tch. The guy was fired. AND, I put a new guy in his place that was solid." (aka the guy who let Zloch - Hunter's sugar daddy - get all of his stuff back, which was taken by the guy who Biden fired). Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
robosmith Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 19 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Too bad about that one proxy war they just started, hey? What a shitty way to ruin your record. Look, I know I'm not getting anywhere with you. You're one of those guys who still believes that you can't get even covid if you got the jab. Well, the jab and a second jab. Or the two jabs plus a booster. Or two boosters. Or you can't end up in hospital? Or is it ICU? Or is it, dead, but somehow not as dead as someone who was unvaxed? And the jabs are safe. Well, aside from myocarditis that never fully heals, and the occasional death or debilitating attack on your own central nervous system which lasts until you opt for MAID. But who's counting? Aristedes always has all the answers: you can't tell that guy shit. ^Still doesn't understand that NO VACCINE can work if YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM is SHOT. Older you get, the less well any vaccine works. All vaccines do, is give your immune system a jump start. Duh Quote
Nationalist Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 (edited) 7 hours ago, eyeball said: It's easier when it's interspersed with fascination, anger, hilarity, disbelief etc I feel the same about liberal ideas these days. So does half the population. 7 hours ago, eyeball said: The only way to sustain it would be with a corrupt police state where intimidation, fear, coercion, torture and murder rule. Yeah, I've been afraid of this happening for decades now, it's why I was posting the sort of stuff about America's methods you're apparently just getting woke to now. America's methods in the past were very questionable but at the very least people could plead they believed they were for the right reasons and they were on the right side. Not anymore. Now explain why you figure an alliance or "deal" with Russia would require a police state, etc...? This is what I mean when I say, you Libbies are irrational. What I woke up too, about 15 years ago, was that globalist aspirations are damaging and costly. On a number of levels. What right reasons? Was Pinochet placed in power a right thing to do? Shock and Awe? Gulf of Tonkin? If you had been able to witness these things and thought they were right, you've been delusional for a long time...sonny. Today there is a proxy-war in Europe...with Russia...and the side we've been pushing...is losing. The USA is no saint of a nation. Nor are they supposed to be. No nation is. Nations are supposed to serve themselves. Promote patriotic people, secure the nation, aid in the creation of prosperity. The Liberals and Democrats have done neither. I recall a phrase..."The New Normal". People like to say that the USA must lead the world, yet it's prosperity is fading...along with its ability to lead. A new direction is necessary if the USA and Canada by extension, want to maintain our standard of living. Even new alliances. The Russians will be Russians. You can't impose our values on them. That only causes failure. Americans will be Americans too. But if peace can be achieved and even enhanced general prosperity and leadership powers...such an alliance could provide such an outcome. A "New Normal". Edited March 5 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
eyeball Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 5 minutes ago, Nationalist said: But if peace can be achieved and even enhanced general prosperity and leadership powers...such an alliance could provide such an outcome. You'll have to exterminate everyone who doesn't believe it. 6 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Was Pinochet placed in power a right thing to do? Don't you think so? I mean, won't the screams of libbies getting what they deserve be music to your ears? You figure everyone will just submit to a Pax Russo-Americana like it was a manifest inevitable destiny or something? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Nationalist Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 52 minutes ago, eyeball said: You'll have to exterminate everyone who doesn't believe it. Don't you think so? I mean, won't the screams of libbies getting what they deserve be music to your ears? You figure everyone will just submit to a Pax Russo-Americana like it was a manifest inevitable destiny or something? Bullshit. No...I don't. People react on a macro level, to comfort...security...steak on Sunday. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
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