Trump and Vance Loudly Rebuke Zelensky in Oval Office | The New York Times

[West]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

I don't know why people who accept anything Trump says, even when it makes no sense, even when it's an obvious lie insist on legally sanctioned 'proof' of Trump's wrongdoing. Of course, even when that arrives and he's convicted they still don't believe he did anything wrong.

Fact: Trump was broke. He even told his daughter, famously, which was in his book, that a bum on the sidewalk was richer than him because while the bum had nothing he owed nothing. Trump, on the other hand, owed massively more than he had.

Fact: Nobody would loan his faltering company money after it went bankrupt. So how did it survive? "The Russians saved us." Both Trump and his son said that only Russian investors and Russian loans and sales kept his company alive.

Fact: The Czechs engaged in intense surveillance on Trump after he married Ivana, both in Czechoslovakia and in New York. And Russia did heavy surveillance on wealthy foreigners who visited. 

Question: Why would Russian oligarchs invest money in a bankrupt New York realtor? Why would they loan him money? What was in it for them? Who loaned/invested and how much?

Trump won't say.

Speculation: Now, given what we know of Trump and his history of skirting if not actually breaking any law he figured he could get away with, would he have turned up his nose at taking money from oligarchs under sanction? Would he have been willing to launder money for them? I honestly can't imagine he would. Would Putin know about this and have all the evidence? I can't imagine he wouldn't. Would this evidence implicate Trump alone or his sons? Maybe even Ivana? All of them have been to Russia many times before he became a politician. Why? They have no investments in Russia and it's not exactly a tourist mecca. Plus, they were under surveillance in New York, too. What information, including videos and tapes, do the Russians have on the Trumps?

There's no evidence to anything you've written here. 

[ironstone]

So this is what's happening to the future generation in Ukraine now. It is likely the exact same for Russia.

https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2025/03/02/watch-viral-cctv-video-shows-ukrainian-soldiers-abducting-youth-walking-his-dog-for-military-recruitment-to-fight-russia-war.html

What happens when the available pool of young men gets smaller and smaller?

Progressives think this is the best path instead of trying to end the war?

[Aristides]

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A Rider at the Oval

A stranger rode into the hall of power,

a weary traveler from a battered land.

He came not to beg, but to stand,

bearing the weight of his people’s sorrow.

Yet cruelty met him at the door,

words like stones, cold and sharp,

not from foes upon the battlefield,

but from hands once stretched in promise.

Oh, how the world watches in silence,

as dignity is trampled by arrogance.

But the rider will ride on,

for his people still stand.

And history will remember—

not the cruelty, not the insult,

but the unbroken spirit

of those who will not kneel.

 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

You should have a look at the condition of the major militaries in Europe, particularly the Germans and UK. Though France isn't much better. Among other issues, they have almost no ammo. Their fancy airplanes would be all over Russia for a week and then would be grounded for lack of missiles.

They don't have many artillery shells either given most were sent to Ukraine. America was the great storehouse of ammo for its allies and now that's far from sure to be available. They have few tanks and very small, undermanned armies. And they are rebuilding about as fast as Canada. Oh, they're at least trying, but their procurement appear to be wrapped in just as many layers of red tape and bureaucracy as ours.

From what I've heard, Russia's military is in no better shape. Supposedly half of their weapons have been used up or destroyed.

[robosmith]

11 minutes ago, West said:

There's no evidence to anything you've written here. 

There is a lot of evidence, but FOS LIES will never tell you about it. 

You need to check out some REAL NEWS sources. Duh

[robosmith]

13 minutes ago, ironstone said:

So this is what's happening to the future generation in Ukraine now. It is likely the exact same for Russia.

https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2025/03/02/watch-viral-cctv-video-shows-ukrainian-soldiers-abducting-youth-walking-his-dog-for-military-recruitment-to-fight-russia-war.html

What happens when the available pool of young men gets smaller and smaller?

Progressives think this is the best path instead of trying to end the war?

Everyone wants the war to end by Russian WITHDRAWAL. 

NOT by Ukraine surrender which will ONLY encourage worldwide emulation of Putin. Duh

Just look at Trump planning to annex territory.

[ironstone]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Everyone wants the war to end by Russian WITHDRAWAL. 

Realistically, what are the chances of that happening?

[ironstone]

 

[robosmith]

2 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Realistically, what are the chances of that happening?

Depends on how long we (NATO) support them. Russia's military supplies are NOT INFINITE.

Certainly near ZERO with Trump in charge. 🤮

1 minute ago, ironstone said:

 

I see you've found a ^Russian propaganda video. 🤮

[User]

15 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Everyone wants the war to end by Russian WITHDRAWAL. 

NOT by Ukraine surrender which will ONLY encourage worldwide emulation of Putin. Duh

Just look at Trump planning to annex territory.

These are not the option on the table, they are absurd extremes you have dreamt up to avoid having to engage in a real discussion. 

 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

The Oval Office meeting was a setup. There was never any deal to be made other than capitulation. 

Trump was already pissed about the scaled back minerals deal with Ukraine that his flunkies negotiated.

Zelenskyy criticizing Putin on a show being streamed to Russia was just too much so he had to slap Zelenskyy down to please his patron who I hear was ecstatic. 🤮

 

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, Aristides said:

Aww, so sensitive . You have no problem with Trump publicly humiliating people who can't fight back.

Awww, so sensitive. You're an adult and yet you have no clue what happened in that room.

Zelensky sat in the oval office and accused the US of not giving Ukraine enough support, then he got spanked. 

What was his answer when Trump asked him why he wouldn't accept a cease-fire?

Watch that video and then tell me how the hell the left-wing media's takeaway from that exchange is "Twumpy buwwied poow mistow Zawensky😭".

Why doesn't Zelensky accept a ceasefire?

When you saw that video the first time, there were 100 young Ukrainian men who were alive but now they're dead, and why is that? Maybe more than 100. Maybe 1,000. 

What are those lives worth to you, Aristedes? F'ing nothing. That's what. Just keep digging the graves and Aristedes is happy as a clam. 

Keep running your mouth all you want, I don't really give a f what you say. 

[robosmith]

19 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Awww, so sensitive. You're an adult and yet you have no clue what happened in that room.

Zelensky sat in the oval office and accused the US of not giving Ukraine enough support, then he got spanked. 

What was his answer when Trump asked him why he wouldn't accept a cease-fire?

Watch that video and then tell me how the hell the left-wing media's takeaway from that exchange is "Twumpy buwwied poow mistow Zawensky😭".

I knew the BABY TALK was coming and ^here it is. LMAO

Grow up.

19 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Why doesn't Zelensky accept a ceasefire?

When you saw that video the first time, there were 100 young Ukrainian men who were alive but now they're dead, and why is that? Maybe more than 100. Maybe 1,000. 

What are those lives worth to you, Aristedes? F'ing nothing. That's what. Just keep digging the graves and Aristedes is happy as a clam. 

Keep running your mouth all you want, I don't really give a f what you say. 

We know you care far more about Trump's power to "drill baby drill" than you do about ANYONE in Ukraine. 🤮

You're not fooling anyone but yourself.

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I've discussed his many, many character flaws previously. I've even asked just what positive character trait this person has because I can't think of one. But his personal flaws are not really my issue. It is his incompetence, stupidity, and gullibility on the international stage that is.

See what I mean? You're doing it again. 

You're blazing past all his real flaws and then making BS accusations against him. 

He's not even 1% incompetent, stupid or gullible. You're literally describing Biden and Harris to a T right there, and you supported those people. Go figger.

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You don't need to 'negotiate' to run away. Which was basically what he did. He told them to please stop shooting at Americans and promised to go away and leave Afghanistan to them. It was a surrender. And he got nothing in exchange except the right to flee in peace.

After 20 years, the good guys were still losing. It was time to stop throwing good money after bad.

Do you know why the good guys were losing? 

Because the bad guys just kill anyone that they don't like, and the support for them is always unwavering because their support comes from fear of death. 

We take prisoners, hold them for 5 years, then when they get out the Trudeau gov't gives them $10M, and our leftist politicians (E. May for example) heap praise on them. Is that what you call war? 

There was no war in Afghanistan, Groot. We fought a mamby-pamby pillow fight against people who were actually fighting. It was time to leave, and Trump negotiated that withdrawal in a way where American soldiers weren't being killed. THAT'S ALL TRUMP WANTED WAS FOR HIS SOLDIERS TO STOP BEING KILLED, AND THE TALIBAN WERE AFRAID TO KILL AMERICAN SOLDIERS BECAUSE THE ONE THING THEIR LEADERSHIP DO FEAR WAS TRUMP. THEY SAW WHAT HAPPENED TO SULEIMANI. 

The withdrawal was a failure because when you have a weak, stupid leader like Biden, all of your enemies are emboldened and things just don't go your way. History is full of those lessons, but students of the LW media are too busy learning about pronouns and other utter BS to know anything about history.

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Bullies always offend me. But that, like his many character flaws, is not the point. What did it do for America? Well, it outraged all of Europe and roused anti-Americanism from Norway to Italy, not just on the part of governments but ordinary people. Came across a piece last night about some Norwegian company which had cut ties with the US navy, saying they would henceforth no longer agree to fuel American warships that came into port. It's a small thing, but you can bet that attitude has exploded across Europe. There'll be many public, but more private boycotts of American goods and companies. No European government likes the US right now.

What about Asia? You think places like China, Singapore, South Korea, and Japan, where 'face' is so important, will have the slightest respect for this administration? No. In the rest of Asia, countries that were American allies will be looking elsewhere now, since Trump has made it clear America owes no loyalty to anyone and will cut them off at the knees on any pretext.

Halting nuclear proliferation has been an important American policy for seventy five years. I've read rumors that a number of countries are now considering building their own nukes since there's no way they want to rely on America as a deterrent against their enemies now. Especially places like South Korea and Japan. Hell, I've heard people in Canada suggesting it. So I think we can expect nuclear proliferation over the coming few years as countries scramble to build their own nuclear deterrent. That will make it harder and harder to keep nukes out of the hands of places like Iran. I mean, how can the world even object when nuclear-armed countries pop up across Europe and Asia among America's former allies?

Countries that had been keeping their distance from China will now be turning to China as a balance against America's madman, and both Chinese and Russian influence will continue to spread through Africa, where the US has now been all but shut out, while China continues to grow its influence in South America.

The risk is that America is reduced to a loud, swaggering, sneering, sulking, ignorant, no-class bully raging at the world around it as Trump turns his anger against his domestic enemies.

That's just a screed, Groot. 

It's full of your emotions and some trivial supporting facts, but the way that you feel is just a product of leftard media and has nothing to do with the overwhelming facts of the matter. 

Your drivel about rumours that you heard about Trump somehow causing other countries to get nukes is ridiculous. You're just a flake now, Groot. Have some pride ffs. 

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

KYIV, Feb 4 (Reuters) - President Volodymyr Zelenskiy visited Ukrainian troops on the southeastern front and handed out medals, his office said on Sunday, and his spokesperson said he came very close to exchanges of fire on the front line.

Zelenskiy undertook the journey to Zaporizhzhia region amid speculation that his popular army chief could soon be sacked.

The president, who has frequently toured areas close to the front, met soldiers in the village of Robotyne, his office said, almost on the battle line.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/zelenskiy-visits-front-line-amid-speculation-about-fate-top-general-2024-02-04/

OMG I'm gonna puke now. 

You should stop saying that Zelensky's green shirt proves something to you because it's just embarrassing. 

If he wanted to make a fashion statement he should be wearing this outfit:

[West]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

There is a lot of evidence, but FOS LIES will never tell you about it. 

You need to check out some REAL NEWS sources. Duh

You should watch "FOS" and get out of your echo chamber. 

Follow some social media accounts as well. 

That way you won't be repeatedly wrong about everything that's going on in the world. Those of us that have left the echo chamber called the election, as an example, while folks like you claimed it to be "neck and neck" (which was a lie) 

[robosmith]

1 minute ago, West said:

You should watch "FOS" and get out of your echo chamber. 

Why should I watch PROVEN LIARS who only tell half the story?

1 minute ago, West said:

Follow some social media accounts as well. 

Sorry, but tweets are NOT the evidence that reputable objective reporting is.

I know you don't what to hear that, but it's the TRUTH that YOU need to hear.

1 minute ago, West said:

That way you won't be repeatedly wrong about everything that's going on in the world. Those of us that have left the echo chamber called the election, as an example, while folks like you claimed it to be "neck and neck" (which was a lie) 

LMAO. It's you who is confined to the right wing echo chamber and you've been proving that ever since I came here.

My sources are wide and reputable, not your fly by night, pop up, right wing propaganda sites.

[robosmith]

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

OMG I'm gonna puke now. 

You should stop saying that Zelensky's green shirt proves something to you because it's just embarrassing. 

If he wanted to make a fashion statement he should be wearing this outfit:

You're going to have to loan him YOURS. LMAO

[WestCanMan]

22 minutes ago, robosmith said:

I knew the BABY TALK was coming and ^here it is. LMAO

We can all predict what we're about to say and do, robo. Watch this:

"WCM is about to prove how stupid robo is again". 

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We know you care far more about Trump's power to "drill baby drill" than you do about ANYONE in Ukraine. 🤮

You're not fooling anyone but yourself.

Robo, can you provide a cite for "Biden talks about peace between Ukraine and Russia" before I can find 100 cites about Biden trying to raise tens of billions more U$D to keep the killing going? 

Of course you can't, because Biden was all about his beautiful proxy war.

I've talked about Trump's ability to bring peace no less 5,000 times on this site, and it's something that you clearly don't appreciate.

No one with an IQ above 50 thinks that you, Biden or the MSM care about the death and destruction in Ukraine. Just stop babbling already ffs. 

[robosmith]

37 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

We can all predict what we're about to say and do, robo. Watch this:

"WCM is about to prove how stupid robo is again". 

I predicted what YOU would say and do. 

YOU predicting what YOU would say and do is JUST STUPIDLY TRIVIAL. Duh

But you can't even get the "do" part right, because you don't even know what PROOF is.

You making an ALLEGATION is NOT "PROVE." Duh

37 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Robo, can you provide a cite for "Biden talks about peace between Ukraine and Russia" before I can find 100 cites about Biden trying to raise tens of billions more U$D to keep the killing going? 

Your mistake is believing that Biden's admin "talks about peace between Ukraine and Russia" IN PUBLIC.

Unlike Trump, PROS talk about those things IN PRIVATE. Duh

37 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Of course you can't, because Biden was all about his beautiful proxy war.

Sure. Biden got Putin to invade Ukraine so HE could have a "proxy war."

You don't even know how STUPID THAT IS.

37 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I've talked about Trump's ability to bring peace no less 5,000 times on this site, and it's something that you clearly don't appreciate.

And I've told YOU the only way Trump could keep his PROMISE to stop the war before he takes office is the get Zelenskyy to surrender by sabotaging the US arms deliveries. Of course WE all knew that Trump was LYING.

37 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

No one with an IQ above 50 thinks that you, Biden or the MSM care about the death and destruction in Ukraine. Just stop babbling already ffs. 

WE all care enough to make sure when it stops, it will be OVER. AKA Putin is DEFEATED.

You just want Trump to claim a "win" that solves NOTHING.

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[BeaverFever]

21 hours ago, West said:

Yeah yeah any factually correct negative information about your cult leaders is a conspiracy theory 

Lol Which cult leaders would that be exactly?  The only political cult is Trumpism. You don’t get to call other people a cult just because you disagree with them   Cults have specific traits and trumpism is the only movement that exhibits those.  And 90% of the shit that comes out of Trump’s mouth and his fake news outlets is objectively false and not even trying to masquerade as factually correct 

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Why doesn't Zelensky accept a ceasefire?

Hey dumbass as Zelensky pointed out Putin has already violated multiple ceasefires since his invasion started in 2014 so why should Ukraine sign away its critical mineral rights to Trump just to get another empty promise that Trump wont even guarantee? A ceasefire isn’t a peace treaty 

[BeaverFever]

Norwegian fuel company Haltbakk Bunkers has announced it will cease supplying fuel to U.S. military forces in Norway and American ships docking in Norwegian ports, citing dissatisfaction with recent U.S. policy towards Ukraine.

In a strongly worded statement, the company criticised a televised event involving U.S. President Donald Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance, referring to it as the “biggest shitshow ever presented live on TV.”

Haltbakk Bunkers praised Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky for his restraint, accusing the U.S. of “putting on a backstabbing TV show” and declaring that the spectacle “made us sick.”

As a result, the company stated: “We have decided to immediately STOP as fuel provider to American forces in Norway and their ships calling Norwegian ports. No Fuel to Americans!” Haltbakk Bunkers also urged Norwegians and Europeans to follow their lead, concluding their statement with the slogan “Slava Ukraina” in support of Ukraine.

Who is Haltbakk Bunkers?

Haltbakk Bunkers is a Norwegian fuel supplier that provides marine fuel for shipping and military operations. Based in Kristiansund, Norway, the company specialises in bunkering services for vessels operating in Norwegian waters, offering fuel logistics and distribution for both civilian and military customers.

Haltbakk Bunkers plays a significant role in Norway’s maritime industry, supplying fuel to vessels calling at Norwegian ports, including NATO and allied forces.

The decision to cut off the U.S. military could have logistical implications for American naval operations in the region. Norway is a key NATO member and frequently hosts U.S. and allied forces for joint exercises and Arctic defence operations.

 

 

 

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/norwegian-fuel-supplier-refuses-u-s-warships-over-ukraine/

[WestCanMan]

Just now, BeaverFever said:

Hey dumbass as Zelensky pointed out Putin has already violated multiple ceasefires since his invasion started in 2014 so why should Ukraine sign away its critical mineral rights to Trump just to get another empty promise that Trump wont even guarantee? A ceasefire isn’t a peace treaty 

😂

He violated ceasefires when Biden and Obama were in power. Not Trump. 

Russia was very careful not to engage Ukraine directly while Trump was in the WH. 

Russia took over Crimea when Obama was in the WH.

Russia invaded Ukraine when Biden was in the WH.

And you're correct to say that a cease-free isn't a peace-treaty (thanks for giving myata the answer). A cease-fire temporarily ends the killing while a permanent settlement is being arranged.

If your goal truly is peace, then why let the killing continue until the very last second? 

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Awww, so sensitive. You're an adult and yet you have no clue what happened in that room.

Zelensky sat in the oval office and accused the US of not giving Ukraine enough support, then he got spanked. 

What was his answer when Trump asked him why he wouldn't accept a cease-fire?

Watch that video and then tell me how the hell the left-wing media's takeaway from that exchange is "Twumpy buwwied poow mistow Zawensky😭".

Why doesn't Zelensky accept a ceasefire?

When you saw that video the first time, there were 100 young Ukrainian men who were alive but now they're dead, and why is that? Maybe more than 100. Maybe 1,000. 

What are those lives worth to you, Aristedes? F'ing nothing. That's what. Just keep digging the graves and Aristedes is happy as a clam. 

Keep running your mouth all you want, I don't really give a f what you say. 

A ceasefire without guarantees is just an opportunity for Putin to build up for a new assault. Trump doesn't give a rats ass about Ukrainian lives, all he cares about is how much he can extort from Ukraine before he hands it over to the Russians.