WestCanMan Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 2 hours ago, Aristides said: So you are saying Trump would have kept troops in Afghanistan and continued the war. No. He wouldn't have pulled the troops in while there were still so many non-combatants to get out. He wouldn't have left Bagram and tried to stage the evacuation out in the open. He wouldn't have ditched his allies like Biden did. The Taliban knew that he would come for scalps if they attacked American troops, and they knew that they could get away with it against Biden. All that Biden did was drone-strike some kids and call it a day. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
Aristides Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: No. He wouldn't have pulled the troops in while there were still so many non-combatants to get out. He wouldn't have left Bagram and tried to stage the evacuation out in the open. He wouldn't have ditched his allies like Biden did. The Taliban knew that he would come for scalps if they attacked American troops, and they knew that they could get away with it against Biden. All that Biden did was drone-strike some kids and call it a day. But he would have left Afghanistan to the Taliban. I'm not saying Biden did a good job of leaving but both would have left and the result would have been the same. Quote
WestCanMan Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 Just now, Aristides said: But he would have left Afghanistan to the Taliban. I'm not saying Biden did a good job of leaving but both would have left and the result would have been the same. Just without the humiliation. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
Aristides Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 42 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Just without the humiliation. Aww, so sensitive . You have no problem with Trump publicly humiliating people who can't fight back. 1 Quote
West Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 1 minute ago, Aristides said: Aww, so sensitive . You have no problem with Trump publicly humiliating people who can't fight back. You were ecstatic when Biden threw 70 year old grannies in prison. That's a communist move 1 Quote
eyeball Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 3 hours ago, Aristides said: The only thing I gained from this exchange was, Christ, these people are more disgusting than I ever imagined. Anyone who tries to justify that kind of behaviour is a special kind of azhole as well. The shits and giggles they get from watching the reaction to Trump smashing everything is all the justification they need. The triumphalism is as euphoric as a drug. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Aristides Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 (edited) 9 minutes ago, eyeball said: The shits and giggles they get from watching the reaction to Trump smashing everything is all the justification they need. The triumphalism is as euphoric as a drug. It's like they all took a stupid pill and some took three. It will take decades for the US to recover its international reputation if at all because no one will trust them not to elect another Trump. Edited March 2 by Aristides 2 1 Quote
eyeball Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 6 minutes ago, Aristides said: It's like they all took a stupid pill and some took three. It will take decades for the US to recover its international reputation if at all because no one will trust them not to elect another Trump. To be honest though America started down Stupid Ave. long ago, take Colin Powell's comic books for example. As for trust, I came across a rather chilling assessment of yesterday's spectacle in the White House - the message the world's authoritarians and dictators got from Trump is that "he's one of us". 1 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Popular Post SpankyMcFarland Posted March 2 Popular Post Report Posted March 2 8 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Zelensky's green shirt shtick is getting old: we all know that he hasn't spent a minute in the line of fire. He's not showing any solidarity at all when he plays soldier, he's showing solidarity when he tries to negotiate a peaceful settlement, but he's not all-in on peace. He's all-in on being the big man who stood up to Russia and then got a deal where Ukraine lost nothing. Well guess what, Ukrainian Napoleon? Ukraine already lost. Territory... Lives... Money... Cities... The healthy development of a whole generation of children... It's all gone. *POOF!!!* But wear the green shirt. Sure. It means so much. Living under Russian rule is a catastrophe that Ukrainians have been willing to die to avoid. They understand what it means far better than we do and it’s for future generations that this war is being fought. Putin knows this as well. The prospect of Eastern Slavs living free, prosperous lives in the EU would be a constant rebuke to his ramshackle tyranny. 2 3 1 Quote
robosmith Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 8 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Zelensky's green shirt shtick is getting old: we all know that he hasn't spent a minute in the line of fire. He's not showing any solidarity at all when he plays soldier, he's showing solidarity when he tries to negotiate a peaceful settlement, but he's not all-in on peace. He's all-in on being the big man who stood up to Russia and then got a deal where Ukraine lost nothing. Well guess what, Ukrainian Napoleon? Ukraine already lost. Territory... Lives... Money... Cities... The healthy development of a whole generation of children... It's all gone. *POOF!!!* But wear the green shirt. Sure. It means so much. It seems like you're AGAIN blaming Zelenskyy for PUTIN'S INVASION. That schtick is getting really old. Time to roll out the BABY TALK again to defend Putin/Trump. 🤮 1 Quote
robosmith Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 1 hour ago, West said: You were ecstatic when Biden threw 70 year old grannies in prison. That's a communist move Not when they break the law. BTW, unlike with Trump, Biden doesn't decide who is prosecuted and convicted. Duh 2 Quote
CdnFox Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 7 minutes ago, robosmith said: Not when they break the law. BTW, unlike with Trump, Biden doesn't decide who is prosecuted and convicted. Duh Yeah absolutely does. That's the problem. Heck he even lent the prosecution his prized lawyer to help out Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
gatomontes99 Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
I am Groot Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 (edited) 22 hours ago, Aristides said: You mean the withdrawal that Trump negotiated? Tell me, what's the difference between surrendering land/territory and 'withdrawing'? 22 hours ago, Aristides said: Was that the peace plan the Taliban 'negotiated' with Trump five years ago? Edited March 2 by I am Groot 1 Quote
I am Groot Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 22 hours ago, WestCanMan said: It's bizarre how addicted leftists and TDS victims are to finding imaginary faults with Trump. He actually has serious flaws that you could point to, but for some reason they're not good enough, so you make sh1t up. I've discussed his many, many character flaws previously. I've even asked just what positive character trait this person has because I can't think of one. But his personal flaws are not really my issue. It is his incompetence, stupidity, and gullibility on the international stage that is. 22 hours ago, WestCanMan said: FYI Trump came out of negotiations with the Taliban achieving the one thing he wanted: an end to the loss of American lives in Afghanistan. You don't need to 'negotiate' to run away. Which was basically what he did. He told them to please stop shooting at Americans and promised to go away and leave Afghanistan to them. It was a surrender. And he got nothing in exchange except the right to flee in peace. 22 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Would you have liked it more if he peed on the guy's leg, then pounded his chest like a silverback, and threw him out the window You mean like he did with Zelensky? 22 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Do Trump's meetings with Zelensky and Putin offend you too? Bullies always offend me. But that, like his many character flaws, is not the point. What did it do for America? Well, it outraged all of Europe and roused anti-Americanism from Norway to Italy, not just on the part of governments but ordinary people. Came across a piece last night about some Norwegian company which had cut ties with the US navy, saying they would henceforth no longer agree to fuel American warships that came into port. It's a small thing, but you can bet that attitude has exploded across Europe. There'll be many public, but more private boycotts of American goods and companies. No European government likes the US right now. What about Asia? You think places like China, Singapore, South Korea, and Japan, where 'face' is so important, will have the slightest respect for this administration? No. In the rest of Asia, countries that were American allies will be looking elsewhere now, since Trump has made it clear America owes no loyalty to anyone and will cut them off at the knees on any pretext. Halting nuclear proliferation has been an important American policy for seventy five years. I've read rumors that a number of countries are now considering building their own nukes since there's no way they want to rely on America as a deterrent against their enemies now. Especially places like South Korea and Japan. Hell, I've heard people in Canada suggesting it. So I think we can expect nuclear proliferation over the coming few years as countries scramble to build their own nuclear deterrent. That will make it harder and harder to keep nukes out of the hands of places like Iran. I mean, how can the world even object when nuclear-armed countries pop up across Europe and Asia among America's former allies? Countries that had been keeping their distance from China will now be turning to China as a balance against America's madman, and both Chinese and Russian influence will continue to spread through Africa, where the US has now been all but shut out, while China continues to grow its influence in South America. The risk is that America is reduced to a loud, swaggering, sneering, sulking, ignorant, no-class bully raging at the world around it as Trump turns his anger against his domestic enemies. 2 Quote
Aristides Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 16 minutes ago, I am Groot said: Tell me, what's the difference between surrendering land/territory and 'withdrawing'? Was that the peace plan the Taliban 'negotiated' with Trump five years ago? None and yes. Quote
Aristides Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 The Oval Office meeting was a setup. There was never any deal to be made other than capitulation. Quote
I am Groot Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 (edited) 22 hours ago, West said: Lol.. coming from the collusion delusionists I don't know why people who accept anything Trump says, even when it makes no sense, even when it's an obvious lie insist on legally sanctioned 'proof' of Trump's wrongdoing. Of course, even when that arrives and he's convicted they still don't believe he did anything wrong. Fact: Trump was broke. He even told his daughter, famously, which was in his book, that a bum on the sidewalk was richer than him because while the bum had nothing he owed nothing. Trump, on the other hand, owed massively more than he had. Fact: Nobody would loan his faltering company money after it went bankrupt. So how did it survive? "The Russians saved us." Both Trump and his son said that only Russian investors and Russian loans and sales kept his company alive. Fact: The Czechs engaged in intense surveillance on Trump after he married Ivana, both in Czechoslovakia and in New York. And Russia did heavy surveillance on wealthy foreigners who visited. Question: Why would Russian oligarchs invest money in a bankrupt New York realtor? Why would they loan him money? What was in it for them? Who loaned/invested and how much? Trump won't say. Speculation: Now, given what we know of Trump and his history of skirting if not actually breaking any law he figured he could get away with, would he have turned up his nose at taking money from oligarchs under sanction? Would he have been willing to launder money for them? I honestly can't imagine he would. Would Putin know about this and have all the evidence? I can't imagine he wouldn't. Would this evidence implicate Trump alone or his sons? Maybe even Ivana? All of them have been to Russia many times before he became a politician. Why? They have no investments in Russia and it's not exactly a tourist mecca. Plus, they were under surveillance in New York, too. What information, including videos and tapes, do the Russians have on the Trumps? Edited March 2 by I am Groot Quote
I am Groot Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 (edited) 21 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: You are talking about the rumor, spread by a sports reporter for the time frame before more than three years before Trump announced he was running for office. It was investigated by Mueller and no connections were found. Mueller did not investigate the Trump family or Trump organization's commercial dealings with Russia or who in Russia invested/loaned money to their company. He only investigated evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia during the election. He never investigated the quote from Eric Trump or the one from Donald Trump Jr. In terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets," Trump Jr. said during a conference in New York in 2008. https://archive.is/nPTQX#selection-2281.1-2281.187 21 hours ago, robosmith said: NATO is a defensive alliance, but far from "toothless." You should have a look at the condition of the major militaries in Europe, particularly the Germans and UK. Though France isn't much better. Among other issues, they have almost no ammo. Their fancy airplanes would be all over Russia for a week and then would be grounded for lack of missiles. They don't have many artillery shells either given most were sent to Ukraine. America was the great storehouse of ammo for its allies and now that's far from sure to be available. They have few tanks and very small, undermanned armies. And they are rebuilding about as fast as Canada. Oh, they're at least trying, but their procurement appear to be wrapped in just as many layers of red tape and bureaucracy as ours. Edited March 2 by I am Groot Quote
I am Groot Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 20 hours ago, ironstone said: Gosh, I wonder if the Biden's were ever connected to Russian money?🤨 You know, speculation is fine. But if the Biden administration was influenced by Russian money it sure didn't show in their actions. Putin would own Ukraine had it not been for Biden leading Western allies and pumping money and weapons in. On the other hand, everything Trump has done so far has been pleasing to Putin. Hell, he's even ordered the Army's cybercommand to cease all preparations for or actions to deter Russian hacking in the US. He's done nothing but praise the man like a sycophant for years, even spouting utter nonsense like accusing Ukraine of attacking Russia. Now he's cut off weapons to Ukraine after kicking him out of the White House for daring to criticize Putin. 20 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: And yet, none of that made it into the Mueller report. Now, why do you think the report that was designed to find Russian connections didn't report a single loan? Because they didn't investigate Russian loans to Trump Enterprises. They restricted themselves to investigation direct evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russians. 1 1 Quote
I am Groot Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 19 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Zelensky's green shirt shtick is getting old: we all know that he hasn't spent a minute in the line of fire. KYIV, Feb 4 (Reuters) - President Volodymyr Zelenskiy visited Ukrainian troops on the southeastern front and handed out medals, his office said on Sunday, and his spokesperson said he came very close to exchanges of fire on the front line. Zelenskiy undertook the journey to Zaporizhzhia region amid speculation that his popular army chief could soon be sacked. The president, who has frequently toured areas close to the front, met soldiers in the village of Robotyne, his office said, almost on the battle line. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/zelenskiy-visits-front-line-amid-speculation-about-fate-top-general-2024-02-04/ 16 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: You are telling me that the report that was designed to see if Trump had connections to Russia wouldn't look at financial connections to Russia? Are you kidding me? Yeah, that's what I said at the time. But it's true. 1 1 Quote
I am Groot Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 14 hours ago, West said: Carlson provides an explanation for why Graham disavowed Zelinskyy Carlson? Who has ceaselessly praised Putin and Russia? Even saying Moscow was nicer than any city in America (Moscow is a dump aside from a few shiny oligarch towers). 1 Quote
Aristides Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 Quote MUNICH (The Borowitz Report)—Crediting the vice president with ushering in a new era of European solidarity, attendees at the Munich Security Conference left Friday’s session united in the belief that JD Vance is a pr!ck. “I came to Munich full of skepticism that we as a group of nations could find common ground on anything,” Danish delegate Hartvig Dorkelson said. “That all changed the moment that asshat Vance opened his mouth.” Though he was grateful that all the nations of Europe could agree that Vance is a ginormous dick, Dorkelson warned against taking this historic consensus for granted. “I worry that our unity could be short-lived,” he said. “So we must invite that fvcker to speak again next year.” 2 Quote
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