CouchPotato Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 8 minutes ago, User said: Its clear this was just some AI generated without much review and just thrown up on his feed. Is that a good defense though? The guy is the leader of the most powerful country in the world. Maybe he should be expected to think about things like this? I am not condemning him, but this sort of thing should not be shrugged off. He is not above approach. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 (edited) 51 minutes ago, CouchPotato said: I have to ask you though. Don't you think that it is wrong to share a video like this? I realize Trump did not create it. But still. I remember your John Rich post. Maybe Trump is just joking, but doesn't even the idea of joking about putting up a golden idol on that land seem reminiscent of something? If it is merely a troll, it is still wrong. Trump is not above reproach. What are you talking about? Edited February 27 by gatomontes99 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
herbie Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 A Golden Trump idol in every Town Square where people can bow and worship to, just like Stalin and Saddam. More like that his portrait should be on the back of the penny so people can realize how worthless, obsolete and can't wait to be rid of he is. 1 Quote
robosmith Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 4 hours ago, Nationalist said: LOL...Ol' Donny's sure playing you Libbies like a violin. What we know is either Trump is LYING or more likely SERIOUS, and YOU will DEFEND HIS lawlessness either way. 🤮 4 hours ago, Deluge said: You miss the days of terrorism and bombing Israel, don't you. You mean like when Jews terrorized Palestinians into fleeing their homes so they could be STOLEN? Like they're doing NOW in the West Bank. Quote
robosmith Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 4 hours ago, Nationalist said: Interesting. Odd but interesting. Not at all odd that you don't understand the meaning. It's your SOP. Quote
User Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 1 hour ago, eyeball said: That's a two way street, unfortunately there's bad people on both sides. Time and separation by international force is the only solution that will give these folks the opportunity to calm down and cool off. What international force? No one wants to do this. That is not a solution, it is a pipe dream. The issue is not that someone needs to separate them. Israel was just fine with separation, it is the people of Gaza who kept attacking them. They need a force that will not keep them separate, but that will occupy and control them... because otherwise, it is just Hamas running things again and people still teaching kids to hate Israel and Hamas still launching rockets. 1 hour ago, CouchPotato said: Is that a good defense though? The guy is the leader of the most powerful country in the world. Maybe he should be expected to think about things like this? I am not condemning him, but this sort of thing should not be shrugged off. He is not above approach. Again, it is a matter of degree. Are you going to go protest in the streets over this or something? Otherwise, it is shrugged off. Quote
robosmith Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 (edited) 4 hours ago, Nationalist said: Assuming you know something about the history, you know that neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis could honestly be classified as the "good guys". Its a case of bad and bad. At least Trump is willing to try something new. Something that removes control of Gaza from either of the bad actors. There's nothing new about ethnic cleansing. Netanyahu has wanted to do that for a LONG TIME. Edited February 27 by robosmith Quote
robosmith Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 3 hours ago, Nationalist said: You got a better idea? Everyone else wants a two state solution. Except Hamas; they want all their land that was stolen in 1948 and 1973 back. 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: were that that could be done. apparently neither side is really interested. A lot of Palestinians are interested. Hamas isn't. Quote
robosmith Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 2 hours ago, ironstone said: Palestinians do not want a two-state solution. They want a one-state solution. No Jews allowed, not a single one. Oh, have you interviewed them? Or done a poll when Hamas is not around? LMAO Quote
robosmith Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 2 hours ago, eyeball said: Funny how you say the same thing about the war in Ukraine - do you mean this the way Trump did when he said there were good people on both sides? Ukraine is clear cut: Putin invaded. Israeli / Palestinian is much more a mixed bag. Jews created Israel by driving Palestinians off their land and still are trying for more. 2 hours ago, ironstone said: What do the Palestinians think about a two-state solution? Who appointed ^this guy to speak for all Palestinians? LMAO Oh well, I guess he FOOLED YOU. Quote
robosmith Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 (edited) 2 hours ago, ironstone said: Among Palestinians, it seems there is still strong support for Hamas and their ultimate goal. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/poll-over-70-palestinians-still-maintain-hamas-correct-to-commit-oct-7-atrocities/ Only a fool would take an Israeli newspaper's reporting on some poll of Palestinians at face value. Edited February 27 by robosmith Quote
robosmith Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 1 hour ago, CouchPotato said: Is that a good defense though? The guy is the leader of the most powerful country in the world. Maybe he should be expected to think about things like this? I am not condemning him, but this sort of thing should not be shrugged off. He is not above approach. I think you mean reproach. Quote
CouchPotato Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 3 minutes ago, robosmith said: I think you mean reproach. Hahaha whoopsie Quote
Nationalist Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 2 hours ago, eyeball said: Funny how you say the same thing about the war in Ukraine - do you mean this the way Trump did when he said there were good people on both sides? I mean it exactly as I said it. At least I have a good idea of who both sides are and don't lie on a daily basis. Have a nice day. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
ironstone Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 37 minutes ago, robosmith said: Only a fool would take an Israeli newspaper's reporting on some poll of Palestinians at face value. Can you show me any evidence that shows a clear majority of Palestinians do not support Hamas? Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
Legato Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 1 hour ago, robosmith said: Everyone else wants a two state solution. Except Hamas; they want all their land that was stolen in 1948 and 1973 back. That which one never had cannot be stolen. An independent country called Palestine has never existed. The UN tried to create one. However, the Palestinians didn't want it. Instead, they decided to declare war on Israel, lost, and their land was divided between Jordan, Israel and Egypt.Dec 14, 2023 Quote
eyeball Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 1 hour ago, User said: What international force? What do you think this might mean in the context of the discussion? 1 hour ago, User said: Israel was just fine with separation, it is the people of Gaza who kept attacking them. Israeli was attacking Palestine as well, killing Palestinians while kicking them out of their homes, holding thousands of Palestinians without charge under inhumane conditions that included torture, rape and murder. Using brutal often deadly force when putting down resistance. 1 hour ago, User said: They need a force that will not keep them separate, but that will occupy and control them... because otherwise, it is just Hamas running things again and people still teaching kids to hate Israel and Hamas still launching rockets. Sure, it just can't be Israelis and now, Americans. 1 hour ago, User said: No one wants to do this. That is not a solution, it is a pipe dream. Yeah, it's a goddamn mess alright isn't it? Should of thought about that before we along with the UN helped create it. But since we did it's our responsibility to help fix it...hence the answer to your first question. Unless you're resigned to exterminating Palestinians you'll need to push them plus neighbouring sympathetic Arab populations so far from Israel's borders that rockets won't be an issue. 100's of kms in every direction at least. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ExFlyer Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
robosmith Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 23 minutes ago, Legato said: That which one never had cannot be stolen. Many Palestinians that were banished to refugee camps had their deeds for decades. Quote
CouchPotato Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 (edited) 2 hours ago, User said: Again, it is a matter of degree. Are you going to go protest in the streets over this or something? Otherwise, it is shrugged off. Well, this is a discussion board. I am sure at some point you have expressed a negative opinion on something. So, I mean people could just respond this way over everything and say, "Are you going to protest in the streets over this or something?" Back to the topic at hand, I mean it could just be another example of Trump joking. But at what point do you stop shrugging things off and start considering the possibility that maybe the guy has gotten a little too cocky since the election. Talking about annexing countries, and posting stuff like this. At the very least isn't it prudent to be critical of the non-stop joking? It gets old. I liked this about Trump, myself, but I mean there is a point where you stop encouraging someone who is clowning around. It's not just that people can't take a joke, it's that you have ceased to be funny. How much shrugging off do you do before you become exactly like the democrats? They dug their heels in, ignored that their leader was senile, and they refused to coach their own team. No self-criticism. Just cheer-leading. And that's the danger you have to consider here. People are so fed up with the Democrats and rightly so, that they are now ready to defend anything or shrug off anything Trump does. I completely understand the temptation to be this way, but it's not going to serve you well. Imagine for instance if Obama was the one who posted a video with a golden statue of himself. Yeah, I am sure all the talking-heads on CNN and a lot of Democrats would think it was great or find reasons to dismiss it. But don't you think people on our side of the spectrum would be freaking out? Edited February 27 by CouchPotato 1 Quote
robosmith Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 36 minutes ago, ironstone said: Can you show me any evidence that shows a clear majority of Palestinians do not support Hamas? If there was real majority support for Hamas, they would have held elections, but they have NOT for many years. Pollster Khalil Shikaki sheds light on Palestinian attitudes NPR https://www.npr.org › 2024/07/26 › khalil-shikaki-pale... Jul 26, 2024 — The support for Hamas among the Palestinians in Gaza and in the West Bank is 40% or less. That's the amount of support, so 60% or so of th Quote
eyeball Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 4 hours ago, Deluge said: That's another one that needs to go. You EARN your job, or you get a dumb c*nt like Kamala Harris as VP. What a travesty that was, lol Without affirmative action too many people end up with c*nts for a boss. The other travesty here is that society still needs it. That said, I don't have any issues with taking a more aggressive affirmativeness that fires the odd c*unt who refuses to get with the program. They need to earn their right to their job too. And AFAIC anyone who chose not to vote for Kamala Harris' because she was a multi-racial woman hasn't earned the right to vote. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 3 hours ago, Nationalist said: I mean it exactly as I said it. At least I have a good idea of who both sides are and don't lie on a daily basis. What lie this time? I'm sure you must lose track after a while too. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 2 hours ago, CouchPotato said: Well, this is a discussion board. I am sure at some point you have expressed a negative opinion on something. So, I mean people could just respond this way over everything and say, "Are you going to protest in the streets over this or something?" You were the one seemingly demanding more here than just shrugging this off. So what more do you demand? What exactly is the response you are looking for? Quote
Nationalist Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 23 minutes ago, eyeball said: What lie this time? I'm sure you must lose track after a while too. Tell me how the attack on Palestine was "genocide". Tell me how those who elected Hamas to lead Gaza, are just innocent civilians. Tell me how you "know" this idea of Trump's is any worse that what's been going on for...ever it seems. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
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