Liberal Party Takes Lead in Polls

[TreeBeard]

30 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The Chiang episode was damaging. He should have been fired immediately. 

Agreed.   Damaging though?  Probably not.  
 

Weren’t Conservatives against “cancel culture” and wanted people to be free to tell jokes even if they offend?  
 

Hmmm…. I guess I was mistaken about conservatives yet again.  They actually do think there should be dire consequences for offending jokes!  

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[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, Boges said:

No, we're looking to elect a highly qualified economic mind. More qualified than a CPC leader that's only qualified being a political attack dog. 

But he's not. .

And if he's so qualified and PP is not, why  is he saying EXACTLY what pp has been. 

Also that is the same mind that has given us the last 5 years of economy in Canada. Are you claiming it's been going well?

Lying to yourself will NOT improve our economy. 

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Name a developed nation where birth rate and affordability isn't a major problem.

Why? Will it change whether or not we have a problem? IF 10 devleoped nations don't have a problem, should we fix our problem then? What if they all have a problem, should we fix our problem then?

What kind of cheap assed cop out is that? WE have a problem. Affordability is a serious part of that problem. Addressing affordability especially with housing to help address that problem is the right thing to do

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.The US just elected someone that's goal is to make affordability worse.

And so will we if we elect carney.  Carney and trump are bestest buddy pals now by the way.  Carney's company rented Kushner's building at a good rate and lent elon musk 250 million to buy twitter, so trump knows he can count on carney to come through when he needs him. 

We've seen what carney is like for 5 years now. He's the top adviser for Trudeau. Let that sink in. 

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And he's on the "Conservative" team. Building more homes to reduce prices creates another problem with homeowners that only really have the equity in their home to fall back on because the erosion of pensions and the ability for people to save. 

But he's not.  Justin promised the same things in 2015. Carney will NOT deliver on them any more than justin did, and the situation will be even worse than it is now.  But he won't care because by then he'll retire and be asked to serve on the board of directors for a dozen charities and other institutions which have recieved money while he was in power and he'll be rich for doing nothing.

Justin is up to 3 million in 'board' positions btw.

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I get the hate on for the Liberals, JT was arrogant and stubborn. But he's gone now. I've actually been quite impressed with how the Liberal team is looking to handle the Trump threat. 

ITS THE SAME TEAM!!!! THEY ARE THE SAME PEOPLE!!!!!  THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE!!! 

And what did they do about trump?!?! We're still under tariff threat, we're still a target, he talked nice to carney because he thinks carney will do what he wants. How is that a good thing?

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It's telling that the newly elected PC leader is refusing to campaign for PP and is more happy to work with the Liberals. 

The only thing it's telling is that he hopes to run for the CpC leadership if PP loses and is tossed. 

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But he's not. .

And if he's so qualified and PP is not, why  is he saying EXACTLY what pp has been. 

Also that is the same mind that has given us the last 5 years of economy in Canada. Are you claiming it's been going well?

I think you should be honest with yourself and realize the vast majority of the problems we see in the world over the last 5 years could be blamed on the consequences of COVID. Inflation, affordability, debt. Again, not a solely Canadian problem. 

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Why? Will it change whether or not we have a problem? IF 10 devleoped nations don't have a problem, should we fix our problem then? What if they all have a problem, should we fix our problem then?

It's speaks to economic factors that exist beyond the power of any given federal government. Affordability is a big problem in the state of Florida, a place with few regulations and low taxes. 

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And so will we if we elect carney.  Carney and trump are bestest buddy pals now by the way.  Carney's company rented Kushner's building at a good rate and lent elon musk 250 million to buy twitter, so trump knows he can count on carney to come through when he needs him. 

I think this is a desperate talking point. He was doing business in the interest of his investment firm. It's just like how the Liberals in Ontario tried to use Dofo's previous support for Trump against him. Things change when bro threatens Canada's independence. 

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But he's not.  Justin promised the same things in 2015. Carney will NOT deliver on them any more than justin did, and the situation will be even worse than it is now.  But he won't care because by then he'll retire and be asked to serve on the board of directors for a dozen charities and other institutions which have recieved money while he was in power and he'll be rich for doing nothing.

I see Carney has been able to do a lot in his small time as leader. 

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And what did they do about trump?!?! We're still under tariff threat, we're still a target, he talked nice to carney because he thinks carney will do what he wants. How is that a good thing?

And what will PP do? The thing about Trump is that he's the boy that's been crying wolf, punting the ball down the field in order to avoid retaliation. Tomorrow will be very informative on how this Trade War will unfold. 

That being said, I don't hear him talking about the 51st State much anymore  

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The only thing it's telling is that he hopes to run for the CpC leadership if PP loses and is tossed. 

Perhaps, or he know PP is not all that broadly popular and he's comfortable working with the current government. 

 

 

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

29 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Conservatives used to love this label.   Now they flipped and love that PP is a career politician since he was a little boy and hate Carney’s private sector experience and economic expertise.  
 

How did that happen?

As it happens, I prefer PMs to be experienced MPs first but we’ve seen a complete shift in what Tories value. In this campaign they encourage suspicion of a successful executive with experience in foreign countries. Obviously, one tries to paint the other guy as badly as possible but who would have imagined such attack lines from our right-wing party a generation ago? And then there’s the Trump angle. Some Tories remain MAGA fans who loved the line that Trump ‘wasn’t a politician’ when he came down the escalator and dismissed any concerns about his literally criminal business empire. Yet now some of the same people claim to be ‘troubled’ by Carney’s Brookfield associations. It’s a strange world. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

35 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Agreed.   Damaging though?  Probably not.  
 

Weren’t Conservatives against “cancel culture” and wanted people to be free to tell jokes even if they offend?  
 

Hmmm…. I guess I was mistaken about conservatives yet again.  They actually do think there should be dire consequences for offending jokes!  

Anyway, thank goodness he is gone. I hope no more like him lurk among the candidates of any party. 

[CdnFox]

51 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Conservatives used to love this label.   Now they flipped and love that PP is a career politician since he was a little boy and hate Carney’s private sector experience and economic expertise.  
 

How did that happen?

It's simple. You're lying. 

Show me one time in Canada where conservatives really pitched that idea. about closest they came was in the reform days when they said it was good not to be part of  the ESTABLISAHED party but they still went for experienced politicians whenever possible. 

 

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

As it happens, I prefer PMs to be experienced MPs first but we’ve seen a complete shift in what Tories value. In this campaign they encourage suspicion of a successful executive with experience in foreign countries. Obviously, one tries to paint the other guy as badly as possible but who would have imagined such attack lines from our right-wing party a generation ago? And then there’s the Trump angle. Some Tories remain MAGA fans who loved the line that Trump ‘wasn’t a politician’ when he came down the escalator and dismissed any concerns about his literally criminal business empire. Yet now some of the same people claim to be ‘troubled’ by Carney’s Brookfield associations. It’s a strange world. 

that's a mischaracterization.  They're saying someone with no experience in politics is questionable. They're saying that he's all about making money for himself, he hasn't even lived in country for most of his adult life and he has no ties to canada. 

And canada isn't america and while i know you guys desperately try to claim that Canadian conservatives are identical to 'maga' they're not even close. 

 

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Anyway, thank goodness he is gone. I hope no more like him lurk among the candidates of any party. 

Look at your fellow leftie, tree beard. Trying to claim that conservatives have said that it's ok to call for illegal acts. he's supporting the guy's illegal statements (police are investigating btw) and suggesting that it's no different than saying a joke. 

That's your side man. They support this crap. You are on the wrong side. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

Just now, CdnFox said:

that's a mischaracterization.  They're saying someone with no experience in politics is questionable. They're saying that he's all about making money for himself, he hasn't even lived in country for most of his adult life and he has no ties to canada. 
 

They are also saying he is part of the ‘elite’, very weird for a part of the political spectrum that used to celebrate success. 
 

 

Just now, CdnFox said:

And canada isn't america and while i know you guys desperately try to claim that Canadian conservatives are identical to 'maga' they're not even close. 

 

I don’t know anybody who is saying that ‘Canadian conservatives are identical to 'maga'’ but there is an overlap which is quite different. It is undeniable that some Tory voters approve of Trump. I meet Canadians like that all the time. Generally speaking, they have no big problem with Trump’s grotesque history of outright fraud. 

[CdnFox]

38 minutes ago, Boges said:

I think you should be honest with yourself and realize the vast majority of the problems we see in the world over the last 5 years could be blamed on the consequences of COVID. Inflation, affordability, debt. Again, not a solely Canadian problem. 

Sorry but that's not true. Even the banks in Canada have written reports about it. Not to mention the fact that Trudeau had already caused this problem before covid came along. And he borrowed $100 billion dollars, 20% of everything we owed up to that point, during the supposed good times which left us highly vulnerable to covid when it came along

This is 100% a Canada problem and 100% of liberal problem and you are lying to yourself if you say different.

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It's speaks to economic factors that exist beyond the power of any given federal government. Affordability is a big problem in the state of Florida, a place with few regulations and low taxes. 

It's simply not true. Like I said the banks wrote reports on it, it was already happening before covid, it's happening now that covid is gone.  it's a liberal problem and you'll get the same mess if you hire the same people 

 

 

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I see Carney has been able to do a lot in his small time as leader. 

He hasn't done anything. What's he done. What's changed? Has trump agreed no tariffs? Has our economy approved? Has he actually signed a new trade or something

He flew around at the taxpayers expense to a bunch of other places and came back with nothing. He's made a bunch of promises almost all of which are the ones that Poilievre was making. That's all he's done

 

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And what will PP do? The thing about Trump is that he's the boy that's been crying wolf, punting the ball down the field in order to avoid retaliation. Tomorrow will be very informative on how this Trade War will unfold. 

What was Poilievre supposed to do? He's not the government. He's not even a premiere. He has said exactly the same things that carney has said (or more accurately the other way around) 

 

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That being said, I don't hear him talking about the 51st State much anymore  

Because he wants carney to win. Carney is already in his back pocket and he knows it.

2 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

They are also saying he is part of the ‘elite’, very weird for a part of the political spectrum that used to celebrate success. 
 

 

 

Elite is not synonymous with success. Elite is synonymous with those who block others from success and who are out of touch with the average person

 

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I don’t know anybody who is saying that ‘Canadian conservatives are identical to 'maga'’ but there is an overlap which is quite different. It is undeniable that some Tory voters approve of Trump. I meet Canadians like that all the time. Generally speaking, they have no big problem with Trump’s grotesque history of outright fraud. 

Then you don't know mark carney. He's saying exactly that. He says that Poilievre is a trump worshiper.

And there's no overlap, other than the fact that generally speaking people on the right like to see lower taxes and smaller government. Chretien ran on the same thing, would you say that the liberals 'overlap' maga?

[SpankyMcFarland]

The vetting of candidates is going to become challenging as more of their lives are documented than ever before. We’re dealing with people who are passionate about politics already and who may have held extreme views in the past. The Conservatives dealt with this disturbed person swiftly:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/federal-election-2025/article/conservative-candidate-gets-boot-after-ctv-news-uncovers-audio-of-him-supporting-public-hangings-joked-trudeau-should-receive-death-penalty/

I’d say all parties are just praying they don’t have to drop people later in the campaign.

 

 

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The vetting of candidates is going to become challenging as more of their lives are documented than ever before. We’re dealing with people who are passionate about politics already and who may have held extreme views in the past. The Conservatives dealt with this disturbed person swiftly:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/federal-election-2025/article/conservative-candidate-gets-boot-after-ctv-news-uncovers-audio-of-him-supporting-public-hangings-joked-trudeau-should-receive-death-penalty/

I’d say all parties are just praying they don’t have to drop people later in the campaign.

 

 

It doesn't seem to be a problem for the liberals. They just say oh well he apologized and carry on. The guy was still be there if he hadn't quit on his own

[SpankyMcFarland]

This remains my favourite deselection story which may say more about me than I care to think about:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jerry-bance-marketplace-1.3217797

 

[TreeBeard]

19 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Ya I've heard that before...

Even the NP admits reality….  What do they say about a broken clock?  
 

Pierre Poilievre dismisses calls for 'pivot' as Liberals increase lead in polls

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/federal_election/pierre-poilievre-election-strategy-liberal-polls

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Even the NP admits reality….  What do they say about a broken clock?  
 

Pierre Poilievre dismisses calls for 'pivot' as Liberals increase lead in polls

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/federal_election/pierre-poilievre-election-strategy-liberal-polls

It ain't over till the vote.

[TreeBeard]

5 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

It ain't over till the vote.

What do you think PP should do to turn the tide and appeal to more of the electorate?

[CdnFox]

45 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

This remains my favourite deselection story which may say more about me than I care to think about:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jerry-bance-marketplace-1.3217797

 

I mean i think we can ALL agree that guy had it coming  

[SpankyMcFarland]

Another politically clueless press conference by Danielle Smith. In the event of a Grit win she should pen a memoir along these lines:

Pierre Poilievre

My Part in His Downfall. 

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

What do you think PP should do to turn the tide and appeal to more of the electorate?

Remind Canadians that the carney stole or copied his axe the tax theme.

Edited Tuesday at 09:32 PM by Nationalist

[CdnFox]

16 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Remind Canadians that the carney stole or copied his axe the tax theme.

Basically just let carney talk. He sucks at it, 

Some polls have the race tightening but at the end of the day i'm once again reading about pp drawing crowds of thosuands and Carney drawing crowds of dozens - one bar  he held a ralley at has posted on social media asking people to stop blaming them they themselves are not political, there's a whole bunch of indicators that Carney isn't doing great but his polling numbers suggest he's a superstar.  

That really doesn't add up.  Something isn't right. Pollsters can be pressured by a number of things including their own bias to 'weight' their results in a fashion that favors one group or another.  Yes the ndp has barely put on a campaign and yes mulcair said not to vote ndp this election so their numbers being down isn't a shock entirely but that is lower than they've ever been in history,  and all because their voters are excited to vote for a rich capitalst banker who avoids taxes? 

It's just not passing the sniff test. 

[Nationalist]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Basically just let carney talk. He sucks at it, 

Some polls have the race tightening but at the end of the day i'm once again reading about pp drawing crowds of thosuands and Carney drawing crowds of dozens - one bar  he held a ralley at has posted on social media asking people to stop blaming them they themselves are not political, there's a whole bunch of indicators that Carney isn't doing great but his polling numbers suggest he's a superstar.  

That really doesn't add up.  Something isn't right. Pollsters can be pressured by a number of things including their own bias to 'weight' their results in a fashion that favors one group or another.  Yes the ndp has barely put on a campaign and yes mulcair said not to vote ndp this election so their numbers being down isn't a shock entirely but that is lower than they've ever been in history,  and all because their voters are excited to vote for a rich capitalst banker who avoids taxes? 

It's just not passing the sniff test. 

And it won't.

I think Ontario will go mostly PC.

Albert's a lock. Saskatchewan too.

Manitoba...maybe.

Quebec...sepoes.

Maritimes...mix.

It'll be close. I pray Canucks see what I do in the carney.

A common thief. 

[eyeball]

37 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Remind Canadians that the carney stole or copied his axe the tax theme.

Carney simply captured it. It's not like anyone can say it was deftly captured - it was sitting there like a fish in a barrel with an axe leaning against it.

[TreeBeard]

13 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I think Ontario will go mostly PC.

First, the PC party is dead.  
 

But here’s the projection for Ontario:

 

338Canada.com

[PIK]

7 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Conservatives used to love this label.   Now they flipped and love that PP is a career politician since he was a little boy and hate Carney’s private sector experience and economic expertise.  
 

How did that happen?

PP put his hat in the ring and was elected, carney is PM with 131,000 liberal votes.  Carney has spent very little of his adult life in Canada, while PP been fighting to make this country better. Just imagine if carney was running for the Cons, the screaming by the left would be earth shattering. Carney doesn't give a poop about the people. He's going to save the world, and we are going to pay for it. Like Trudeau, Canada is to small of a stage. 

[TreeBeard]

24 minutes ago, PIK said:

Just imagine if carney was running for the Cons…

You’d be extolling the virtues of his business and economic experience and claiming he’s a great Conservative and not a career politician like the other bums. 
 

I would still be saying that he’s too conservative for my liking, just like now. 

Edited Tuesday at 11:49 PM by TreeBeard