Cut the Americans some slack

[Aristides]

The Vancouver Auto Show just removed Tesla as a participant. It starts tomorrow.

[BeaverFever]

On 3/18/2025 at 4:25 PM, CdnFox said:

Carney has never been in an election. Not even for his own seat. No would more likely be referring to "white supremisist" Andrew Scheer or "anti vax" erin otoole,  or  "hilter" trump.  cuckservatives or republicrats, take your pick. 

The main difference is most of the time conservatives pick a joke name for somebody that's harmless and usually based in truth. Carbon tax Carney isn't terribly insulting, and in fact Carney is a massive supporter of Carbon taxes. 

Calling Andrew Scheer a white supremacist has no basis in truth and is just designed to be hurtful and a personal attack. Calling Trump Hitler constantly is very obviously false and tacky as hell and an insult to the millions who died under the real thing

But as always you like to ignore but the democrats have done and pretend that somehow the republicans are conservatives are the only ones who do it when in fact the left and the democrats tend to do it worse

Shall we go over some of the names you've called people around here?

 

 

Communist, marxist, socialist, Leninist,   conservatives on both sides of the border have been calling all the other parties that for generations.
 

Then PP added “wackos” and Republicans have started calling anyone who disagrees with them pedophiles. Terrorist lover was a popular conservative insult during the early 2000s as well. 
 

And those are the repetitive ones, I am not counting all the random one-off names and insults that would be too many. Just quoting MTG alone would overheat the site servers. 
 

You’ll have to show where scheer was regularly called white supremacist. Trump is not Hitler but it’s right to call out when he emulates fascist political tactics and smashes through norms and conventions that are meant to be guardrails against fascism 

Edited March 19 by BeaverFever

[Aristides]

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Communist, marxist, socialist, Leninist,   conservatives on both sides of the border have been calling all the other parties that for generations.

Misogyinists, bigots, deplorables, nazis, facists, wastses of space who shouldn't be tolerated (thanks truduea!) and more. 

Anything you come up with i can come up with worse from the libs dems. 

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Then PP added “wackos” a

Oh no not WACKOS!!!!  

How about pieces of shit? Again our former PM to the applause of his members. 

 

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

You’ll have to show where scheer was regularly called white supremacist.

Canada’s probable next PM is courting the far right to win | Racism | Al Jazeera

White supremacy isn't a problem just for conservatives — it's a problem for everyone | CBC News

KINSELLA: PM branding Scheer a neo-Nazi trivializes victims' suffering | Toronto Sun

 

There you go.  

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Trump is not Hitler but it’s right to call out when he emulates fascist

So what you're saying is that trump is not hilter but it's perfectly fine to call him hitler. 

Well in that case it's perfectly fine to call liberals socialists or commies or marxist when they "emulate' those ideologies as they often do. 

Do you even hear yourself?  "NOBODY SHOULD CALL NAMES IN POLITICS EXCEPT ITS FINE WHEN WE DO IT BECAUSE TRUMP IS A POOPY HEAD!!!!!"   FFS, how do you get your pants on with a brain that weak?

The libs and the democrats set the tone. YOUR side started with the incessant insults and derogatory terms. Not the conservatives.  that's doubly true in Canada. The liberals started it with harper the day he won the leadership and they've never let up since. 

And now that the conservatives fire back you're all butt hurt and panty-knotted. 

You and your people are such insane hypocrites it literally turns my stomach. And that's not an 'insult', that's just an observation. 

 

[BeaverFever]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Misogyinists, bigots, deplorables, nazis, facists, wastses of space who shouldn't be tolerated (thanks truduea!) and more. 

Anything you come up with i can come up with worse from the libs dems. 

What you listed isn’t worse and it wasn’t on high volume repeat the way it is with the right. Republicans and conservatives don’t even have a policy platform outside of screaming about the left.  When is the last time any conservative on either side of the border spike publicly about any topic other than the evil liberals destroying the country?  They have nothing to offer except demonizing their opponent.  
 

By contrast most public appearances by Liberal and NDP don’t even acknowledge that CPC exists let alone base their entire existence on denouncing their every action. To be fair a lot of that has to do with being the in power vs opposition but not all of it. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

What you listed isn’t worse and it wasn’t on high volume repeat the way it is with the right.

It is absolutely far worse and repeated constantly. You think calling someone a Nazi is better than calling them a socialist? You must be out of your mind

And the message is 24/7 from the left.

Your problem is when the left does this kind of thing you turned a blind eye to it and edit it right out because you don't want to think that your side does bad things. And when the right does it you hyper fixate on it.

The democrats are far worse. The liberals are far worse

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

By contrast most public appearances by Liberal and NDP don’t even acknowledge that CPC exists

Kearney just smeared the hell out of PP in his acceptance speech. He's done it several times again since. People ask him about his assets and why he hasn't declared and he's right in there saying 'But PP hasn't got his security clearance!"

 

Again your brain edits it out but it's there kiddo. 24/7 the liberals are slagging and is something not only the conservative party and his people but also the conservative supporters and the voters. I'll look at the election they just lost in the states, they didn't lose for 5 minutes before they sat back and attacked everyone who didn't vote for them as being scum. Wow we really screwed up or we have to change how we appeal to people or we have to re-examine our messaging, it was all "The voters suck, men suck, black people suck, Latino suck everybody out there is a m*ron and a bigot"

 

[herbie]

On 3/19/2025 at 9:35 AM, CdnFox said:

Misogyinists, bigots, deplorables, nazis, facists, wastses of space who shouldn't be tolerated (thanks truduea!) and more. 

You're saying it's Justin's fault we tolerate the people you most admire?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

You're saying it's Justin's fault we tolerate the people you most admire?

Oh dear.  You're struggling with english again. 

Well in fairness it is close to the weekend and i  did notice that walmart had a sale on nyquil so perhaps not unexpected

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 2/17/2025 at 2:38 PM, CdnFox said:

At the end of the day they can probably end our existence if they want. Maybe it's not the worst thing in the world to have them think of us as friends at least a little bit. If it becomes a battle of hatred where they hate us and we hate them that's going to end badly for us.

I'm all for fighting for Canada. But a smart person picks their battles

That hasn’t gone well for them in many countries. They would face years of turmoil if they tried. 

[CdnFox]

34 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

That hasn’t gone well for them in many countries. They would face years of turmoil if they tried. 

It hasn't gone well for the other countries either.

If we make this about trump we have a good chance of winning. If the people turn against him he will face trouble in the midterms and may even face impeachment if even 15 seats flip in the senate

If we make this about the American people and they wind up hating our guts then they will rally behind trump and we will take a royal pounding.

Like it or not that is the facts

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It hasn't gone well for the other countries either.

If we make this about trump we have a good chance of winning. If the people turn against him he will face trouble in the midterms and may even face impeachment if even 15 seats flip in the senate

If we make this about the American people and they wind up hating our guts then they will rally behind trump and we will take a royal pounding.

Like it or not that is the facts

I don’t think the American or Canadian peoples can be blamed for this discord.  That Apple of Discord was about Trump’s personal desire as much as the Trojan War was about the gifting of Helen to Paris, or the way the shooting of Franz Ferdinand started the First World War.  Whole peoples caught in the narcissistic web of one person’s sin.

It will be fascinating to watch the adaptation to a world against which the US has imposed a tithe.  We’re back to the Roman Empire, but it’s not clear to the world who the barbarians are.  Perhaps America is now imprisoning itself because it can no longer sustain itself without the revenue and support of other countries (External Revenue Service).  This one big policy shift puts Americans at the mercy of a world that may not be keen to buy American.

The tariffs only work if markets believe that they are fair and reasonable.  If they are tilted disfavorably against countries, those populations and governments will stop buying and supporting a perceived threat.  Gunboat diplomacy is bad for business.  

Edited March 21 by Zeitgeist

[CdnFox]

38 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 

The tariffs only work if markets believe that they are fair and reasonable.  If they are tilted disfavorably against countries, those populations and governments will stop buying and supporting a perceived threat.  Gunboat diplomacy is bad for business.  

That America is a desirable market. If the tariffs make America undesirable or at least to the point where other countries seek different markets and begin building different relationships then all you get is the American economy slowing down and doing less business. That's doubly true if the other countries impose tariffs on America and their consumers find other Products that they wind up deciding they like better over time.

In other countries begin to adapt america just winds up entering a very long recession or time of extremely slow growth. Canada decides to start importing Chinese cars, they're probably not going back even if the tariffs drop. Europe dropped some of its trade restrictions to increase business, they're people in factories aren't going to want to just pack it all up if America drops his tariffs

The first quarter is about to come to an end and it's really not fair to judge trump based on the first quarter, but it'll give an indication of whether or not he's got much to work with her if he's got a problem. And the second quarter is probably going to tell the tale. Have you significantly down he could have a real problem to deal with probably a recession. That's not where he wants to be going in the midterms

[Zeitgeist]

There will be another major upheaval in less than two weeks when the U.S. imposes counter tariffs against multiple countries.  We’re also going to see whether there are carve-outs for the North American auto sector, products that fall under USMCA, and steel and aluminum.  If any one of those three are left in place, there will be big economic implications.  If all three are left in place, the impacts will be immediate and lead to production shutdowns.

The economic indicators will lag and we won’t know the impact of whatever is in place for April until May.  At that point we’ll have had a federal election in Canada, so we’ll probably know by end of May what Canada’s policy moves are regarding all these U.S. tariffs.

The stupidest move the Trump administration could do is continue the uncertainty over tariffs on a monthly basis.  Not only will that destroy stocks but it will totally isolate America, as other countries realize that they can’t afford to keep waiting for the next announcement coming out of the U.S. 

Countries and businesses have to make major decisions long term about investment and expenses.  If companies don’t have a rough idea of expected sales in a given market and expenses for labour, production, and other inputs, that can be enough to make them shut down production or slash workforces.  There are major costs to moving production and finding substitute suppliers and markets.

What Trump is doing puts whole economies under major stress. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

There will be another major upheaval in less than two weeks when the U.S. imposes counter tariffs against multiple countries.  We’re also going to see whether there are carve-outs for the North American auto sector, products that fall under USMCA, and steel and aluminum.  If any one of those three are left in place, there will be big economic implications.  If all three are left in place, the impacts will be immediate and lead to production shutdowns.

The economic indicators will lag and we won’t know the impact of whatever is in place for April until May.  At that point we’ll have had a federal election in Canada, so we’ll probably know by end of May what Canada’s policy moves are regarding all these U.S. tariffs.

The stupidest move the Trump administration could do is continue the uncertainty over tariffs on a monthly basis.  Not only will that destroy stocks but it will totally isolate America, as other countries realize that they can’t afford to keep waiting for the next announcement coming out of the U.S. 

Countries and businesses have to make major decisions long term about investment and expenses.  If companies don’t have a rough idea of expected sales in a given market and expenses for labour, production, and other inputs, that can be enough to make them shut down production or slash workforces.  There are major costs to moving production and finding substitute suppliers and markets.

What Trump is doing puts whole economies under major stress. 

And you touch on one of the major problems. Trump appears to be reacting when he sees how the markets react and when his advisors tell him there's a problem. But the way the indicators work the information really isn't real time. So by the time the indicators really clearly demonstrate you're in trouble, you're actually in a lot more trouble than you thought.

It's like trying to drive a car by looking at a video monitor that is lagged by 2 seconds. It's not a huge leg, but it's more than enough to get you killed because events are happening faster than you're reacting. And by the time the monitor shows you're in trouble It may be far too late to swerve to avoid it.

Not to mention inflation is still a little high and people will be feeling that.

I think this is going to go sideways on him and what he doesn't realize is by the time he is told that there is a serious problem it will be too late for him to make a decision and avoid a crash

[Dave L]

On 2/16/2025 at 6:10 PM, CdnFox said:

The Americans will be judged on how they react to trump's attacks on their neighbors. If they're in support of it and don't speak out against trump's blatant attempts to corrupt our sovereignty and destroy our economy then I think it's absolutely justified to hold them in contempt and Malice. But we won't know that till time passes. After all right now there isn't even a canada-specific tariff. We'll see how they handle things as time goes on

 

As to the booing I'm absolutely against that. Sports is an area where we can set aside our politics and what separates us and come together for a moment And just be human beings with each other. Regardless of our nation's differences, regardless of our politics, no matter what divides us it is absolutely critical that we remember that there are things we can enjoy together and are things that connect us, otherwise we will see the other as being inhuman and that is a very very dangerous and destructive thing. They are still people. Even if they're people were mad at

Agreed,  booing any national anthem is crossing the line.

[Dave L]

On 3/6/2025 at 1:08 PM, Moonbox said:

Nominally, yes, and I'm sure that helps you wrap yourself in your comfy Trumpian fantasy.  Relatively speaking, adjusted for inflation and GDP growth, federal revenue is down, while expenses have grown with a growing (and aging) population.  

Four years from now, when the tax cuts have blown up US deficits further, when the goofy tariffs don't pay for anything and Elon's clown parade at DOGE don't deliver anywhere near the cuts they say they will, you'll still be blaming Biden!  🤣

 

 

They already are.

[Dave L]

On 3/14/2025 at 4:37 AM, Zeitgeist said:

Trump said in a press conference that he would use economic pressure to make Canada the 51st state.  It was very clear.  He doesn’t think there’s anything wrong with hurting families and populations in order to subjugate them to American control against the will of the people. His statements are undemocratic and promote oppression.  You don’t need a political science degree to see the obvious.

That Trump is willing to try this with America’s closest ally and biggest buyer of American goods illustrates what he’s about as a person and president. The world is watching.

The U.S. under Trump is not trustworthy or supportive of a world that’s safe for democracy.  Smaller countries are most at risk, because Trump’s foreign and domestic policy appears to be, More power to the powerful at the expense of those with less power.

Russia is taking Trump at his word and seeing how far inside Ukraine they can push without the supposed “leader of the free world” caring.   It appears that they can push very far without regard to the will of Ukrainians. Is that Trump’s vision for how the world should work?  No thanks.

Unfortunately Trump acts based on how he feels in the moment, and the people around him won’t question or keep him in check.  The Congress and courts are not reeling him in enough, which raises questions about how well the U.S. government system works.

I don’t respect warmongering and undermining democratically elected foreign governments.  No doubt that was done to Ukraine and Biden contributed to that. Nevertheless, the answer isn’t to give green lights to undemocratic invasion.

If Trump has an argument to make for why Canada becoming the 51st state is beneficial to Canadians and Americans, he should make it to the peoples of both countries and let the people decide through their respective governments.

Disregarding trade agreements and threatening economic coercion won’t win Canadians over.  If anything it will make them distrust the US.  It also makes the possibility of brokering a better economic partnership for both countries harder.  Why get further enmeshed with a partner who can renege on agreements and crush you without concern for your wellbeing?

It sucks because Trump has disappointed many people who wanted to believe in him.  He has essentially revived the Liberals in Canada because of their association with US opposition to Trump, damaging conservatism in the West at a time when countries like Canada desperately needed to pivot from radical left ideology.  

The US just did that.

[Barquentine]

On 3/19/2025 at 12:13 PM, Aristides said:

A 'stable Genius' is one who can count by stamping his hoof 4 times.