Moonbox Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: I'm not deflecting your the one refusing to check goggle do a little research......but you already know the answer, you just looking for a fight, i say move along little doggy find someone else to pester...i'm not playing your games.... All I did is ask you a question, after you addressed me, and now you're acting out some nonsensical farce that I picked a fight with you. I don't know the answer, nor do the world's top economists and financial firms, nor do most of the world's leaders. Somehow Army Guy has it all figured out though....🤣 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
PIK Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 What Trump wants, is everything. The whole country. Fentynal was just a excuse to get the ball rolling, like Hitler did by saying Poland attacked Germany. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Army Guy Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 13 hours ago, Moonbox said: All I did is ask you a question, after you addressed me, and now you're acting out some nonsensical farce that I picked a fight with you. I don't know the answer, nor do the world's top economists and financial firms, nor do most of the world's leaders. Somehow Army Guy has it all figured out though....🤣 Every conversation we have ever had, has been a fight....why would i want to continue that... The media is full of economists and financial experts that have commented on what trumps tariffs mean, like i said do some research, and then there is what trump has said in his press briefings , there is no code to break , he is speaking english i don't know where the problem lies... ARMY GUY has not figured it out, but it has not changed the experts opinions has it..... it seems Justin has figured it out as he has managed to get his ideas approved by trump at least for 30 days. but regardless of Justins deal he needs parliament approval for the funding portion...which parliament is closed... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 15 hours ago, Aristides said: Cabotage. Other than the EU, no country lets other country's airlines fly their domestic routes, including the US. Canada allows 49% foreign ownership of airlines, the US only 25%. One of the reasons it costs more to fly in Canada is it is user pay. Major airports in Canada are on federal land and airport authorities pay hundreds of millions in rent to the feds every year. Airport security, air traffic control, all add to cost of your ticket. All services paid for by government in the US. Also, many of our airlines costs are in USD but revenues are in CAD. Our professional sports teams have the same problem. If foreign carriers were allowed to fly domestic routes in Canada, they would cherry pick the most lucrative routes between major cities, Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Toronto and Montreal and the rest of the country could go to hell. In a country the size of Canada, air travel is critical infrastructure. So what your saying is because of federal government that regardless of how many airlines are flying domestic routes air travel is not going to get cheaper...and there is no way to change that....there is always a way to change anything...if there is a will....what about the rest of the list are they all critical infrastructure as well Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 3 hours ago, PIK said: What Trump wants, is everything. The whole country. Fentynal was just a excuse to get the ball rolling, like Hitler did by saying Poland attacked Germany. I don't know that he wants everything. But as far as Canada goes I think he had some very specific targets in mind. He wants an end to supply management so his chickens and eggs and milk can be sold here, he wants access to other restricted industries like banking and telecoms and cell phones etc, he wants car manufacturing to come back to the states more. Maybe a few other things. Quote
Army Guy Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 16 hours ago, CdnFox said: Then you thought wrong. And again Trump has not asked for additional police officers to be hired or more enforcement inside Canada or the like. In fact he basically took what he had already been given by Canada on the border and said he would extend things for 30 days while his trade minister talks to us. I know you really want to believe this but I'm sorry, this is not about the border. Border is an excuse to justify risking a trade war. Sounds like more of the same. A little bit about coordinating at the border and a lot about trade. More comments about how we don't let the US participate in our economy fairly and so on and so forth and how they can make their own cars and why are we making cars and how we'll have to work out the trade issues over the next 30 days. This whole thing is a show to pressure mexico and canada into making trade concessions. We didn't give him anything that we hadn't before at all, and magically the tarrifs are delayed by 30 days while our trade people negotiate. Sure we'll do some basic security enhancements and work out ways to work closer with the us and he'll go ahead and redeploy those helicopters from the military (because god knows you guys had too much gear laying around amirite?) But that's it. The big deals will be about trade. As i said from the very beginning, eventually he'll come forward and we'll see what he REALLY wants, but it's never about what he's talking about in the beginning. That was just about creating some chaos. No he did not mention RCMP at all...he did mention He wanted the drug Fentanyl stopped from entering the US....How do you do that without police enforcement....want to reduce the drug you need to attack it at the source, thats not a CBSA problem Thats a policing problem.... Well you keep saying that, it's not about the border....well right now in this point in time thats exactly what it is about....what do you think would happen if justin just did nothing, no talks no nothing would we have gotten a 30 day reprieve.... Trump has already made it clear there is atleast two phases one now, and one in may, that second phase is going to be all about trade....this one is all about the border.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonbox Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 15 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Every conversation we have ever had, has been a fight....why would i want to continue that... Considering YOU initiated the conversation, the question is pretty stupid and only you can answer it. If you don't want people to challenge your opinions, save your thoughtless ranting for your diary instead. 27 minutes ago, Army Guy said: The media is full of economists and financial experts that have commented on what trumps tariffs mean, Yes, and ~98% of them think they're dumb, that the justification for them is nonsense, and that they don't actually understand what he's trying to achieve. Now he's talked to Justin and he's backing down (for 30 days) after absolute nothingburger concessions from Trudeau that change nothing. What can we conclude about that? Not much, other than Trump just likes to be the big man and he wants to keep people anxious and guessing. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Army Guy Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 6 hours ago, Moonbox said: Considering YOU initiated the conversation, the question is pretty stupid and only you can answer it. If you don't want people to challenge your opinions, save your thoughtless ranting for your diary instead. Yes, and ~98% of them think they're dumb, that the justification for them is nonsense, and that they don't actually understand what he's trying to achieve. Now he's talked to Justin and he's backing down (for 30 days) after absolute nothingburger concessions from Trudeau that change nothing. What can we conclude about that? Not much, other than Trump just likes to be the big man and he wants to keep people anxious and guessing. I gave you the answer to your question...And your not interested in debating just fighting.... The only one that can answer that is trump, but i'm sure this first phase as he calls it has to do with drugs and immigration... ...well he got more concessions from justin on the second phone call, and who knows what is going to happen in one month...if there is going to be concessions or not....Now the ball is in Justin court he needs to recall parliament to approve his funding for all this...The second he does there is going to be a election, unless the NDP strike a deal again.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonbox Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: I gave you the answer to your question...And your not interested in debating just fighting.... No. I asked you to lay it out specifically, and all you could do was mumble vaguely about fentanyl and immigration, which is precisely all that Trump has done so far anyway. As I said before, if you don't like being challenged, then go write in your diary. Whining about the "fight" you keep running straight into is childish, especially when it was you who started this exchange. 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: The only one that can answer that is trump, That's the point. Only Trump knows what Trump wants, because he's not really saying what he wants. He's just doing his usual grievance rambling, blustering and threatening. These performances might impress the apes who treat his words as gospel, but it's a pretty crappy way of handling international diplomacy. An ultimatum isn't worth much if it's not attached to a specific demand. This was about as good an example as you get of bad-faith "negotiating", and all it's really done is annoyed and angered everyone involved. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Nationalist Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 On 2/3/2025 at 3:30 PM, Black Dog said: LOl why are you pretending that he cares about the fentanyl thing? Why do you pretend he doesn't? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Nationalist Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 I think you are all missing the point. MEXICO was the real target, since the vast majority of the issues come from there. The tariff threat to Canada...IMO...was to shove just one more knife in the backs of the Canadian Liberals and Pixie-Dust in particular. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Moonbox Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 14 minutes ago, Nationalist said: The tariff threat to Canada...IMO...was to shove just one more knife in the backs of the Canadian Liberals and Pixie-Dust in particular. You may very well be right, but it's flogging a dead horse and accomplished basically nothing beyond setting Canada/US relations back 30 years. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Black Dog Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 32 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Why do you pretend he doesn't? Because it's obvious to anyone with half a functioning brain, sorry you're under qualified. Quote
Nationalist Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 48 minutes ago, Moonbox said: You may very well be right, but it's flogging a dead horse and accomplished basically nothing beyond setting Canada/US relations back 30 years. For the more emotionally captured...sure. I don't operate that way. I watch what actually happens...and react accordingly. Trump did what he did and Canada reacted. It may have not been done via normal diplomatic channels but...it did work to a degree. 37 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Because it's obvious to anyone with half a functioning brain, sorry you're under qualified. LOL...Libbies...LOL. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Moonbox Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 23 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Trump did what he did and Canada reacted. It may have not been done via normal diplomatic channels but...it did work to a degree. Actions cause reactions. That's how this sort of thing works. I'm not sure what you figure "worked" though. $200M may as well be nothing at this scale, and a couple of meaningless platitudes don't count for much, do they? A fentanyl czar? Really? Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Legato Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: You may very well be right, but it's flogging a dead horse and accomplished basically nothing beyond setting Canada/US relations back 30 years. Ha yes back to the good days. Quote
Nationalist Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 13 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Actions cause reactions. That's how this sort of thing works. I'm not sure what you figure "worked" though. $200M may as well be nothing at this scale, and a couple of meaningless platitudes don't count for much, do they? A fentanyl czar? Really? It's not meaningless at all. Canada now knows we have a responsibility to properly manage our border and our drug crime. I would like to see the USA work on the gun running problem as well. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
CdnFox Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 3 hours ago, Moonbox said: You may very well be right, but it's flogging a dead horse and accomplished basically nothing beyond setting Canada/US relations back 30 years. I WiSH we could go back 30 years in canada us relations. You could drive across the border without a visa, we'd had the free trade agreement in place and it was working, everybody wanted to get along... now it's a disaster. The problem is that trump took us back to closer to 1812 1 Quote
Moonbox Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: It's not meaningless at all. Canada now knows we have a responsibility to properly manage our border and our drug crime. Isn't that supposing that we somehow didn't know that already? Trudeau had already committed something like $1.5-2B on that in December. These "concessions" will fall in under that umbrella, and a fentanyl tsar is just a cheesy symbolic gesture. 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: I would like to see the USA work on the gun running problem as well. Me too, but I wouldn't hold your breath on US gun enforcement under a Republican President. Whatever happens on that file will be for our border services to figure out. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Army Guy Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 15 hours ago, Moonbox said: No. I asked you to lay it out specifically, and all you could do was mumble vaguely about fentanyl and immigration, which is precisely all that Trump has done so far anyway. As I said before, if you don't like being challenged, then go write in your diary. Whining about the "fight" you keep running straight into is childish, especially when it was you who started this exchange. That's the point. Only Trump knows what Trump wants, because he's not really saying what he wants. He's just doing his usual grievance rambling, blustering and threatening. These performances might impress the apes who treat his words as gospel, but it's a pretty crappy way of handling international diplomacy. An ultimatum isn't worth much if it's not attached to a specific demand. This was about as good an example as you get of bad-faith "negotiating", and all it's really done is annoyed and angered everyone involved. No, you were either to lazy to do your own research, or you already knew the answer and were baiting me into something.... Your not challenging anything, Trump has made it very clear what he wants, our government knows what he wants and put together a package for those issues....the only one not getting it is you....and i can't help you with that... for i guy that does not say what he wants he sure has the liberals running around jumping through hoops....even has them offering a counter offer, how is that possible if we don't know what he wants....Justin just pulled something our of his ass? once again they get it....they know....the media knows, you nor so much...Maybe it's You that should start up a journal... No one is praises trump's tactics here, That being said Canada has a long history of ignoring US administrations, and their requests.... Since this is also about US security he does not want to be ignored...his tactics have the full attention of our government and all Canadians. And with all of that Action is being taken....with possible more action in one month...He gets what he wants , and Canada fixes a problem that it has ignored for decades.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonbox Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, Army Guy said: No, you were either to lazy to do your own research, or you already knew the answer and were baiting me into something.... Judging by your record on this forum, you'd be safer assuming that anyone you're talking to has already done 10x more research than you have. That would save you a lot of frustration. Instead of all of this useless rambling, you could have just answered the question, or requote the previous answer that you keep insisting you totally provided. 🙄 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Army Guy Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 1 minute ago, Moonbox said: Judging by your record on this forum, you'd be safer assuming that anyone you're talking to has already done 10x more research than you have. That would save you a lot of frustration. Instead of all of this useless rambling, you could have just answered the question, or requote the previous answer that you keep insisting you totally provided. 🙄 I think you should concentrate on your record, which has been trolling everyone else's conversation there is literally pages upon pages of absolute nothing with your name attached to it.......your that guy that's always got to be right when in reality you your just a troll... Any ways i hope you move on...I'm not playing your reindeer games any more... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonbox Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 30 minutes ago, Army Guy said: I think you should concentrate on your record, which has been trolling everyone else's conversation there is literally pages upon pages of absolute nothing with your name attached to it.......your that guy that's always got to be right when in reality you your just a troll... Any ways i hope you move on...I'm not playing your reindeer games any more... This sort of childish whining would make more sense if wasn't you that both started the exchange, AND went immediately ad-hominem. You have the self-awareness of a rock. We're now on page two of your useless moaning, and all on account of a benign question you refused (actually couldn't) answer. If you just want to rant out your feelings without being challenged, go write in your diary. 😭 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Army Guy Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 Sure...troll 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Nationalist Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 (edited) 2 hours ago, Moonbox said: Isn't that supposing that we somehow didn't know that already? Trudeau had already committed something like $1.5-2B on that in December. These "concessions" will fall in under that umbrella, and a fentanyl tsar is just a cheesy symbolic gesture. Oh I agree that the Czar thing is hoaky. But I have no confidence that Pixie-Dust would do anything about crime, drugs or the border without someone threatening him with a big stick. The guy is an imbecile. Edited February 5 by Nationalist 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
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