ExFlyer Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: This is a narrative that tends to put all CBC content in the same pot: TV, radio, cable, podcasts, sports... not to mention Radio Canada in Quebec. I don't have a strong feeling that a "large portion", presumably a majority, are aggravated. Pollara does an annual poll of trusted sources and they come SECOND nationally after The Weather Network. I just don't see a lot of hard data on this. https://www.pollara.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Trust-in-Media-July-2024-final.pdf There have been CBC haters since the CBC came into being in 1936. When Liberals are in power, conservatives want CBC to be shut down because it is partisan. When Conservatives are in power, the liberals want to shut the CBC down for partisanship And in the end...no one has done a thing and the CBC is still around LOL Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Moonbox Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 49 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: I don't have a strong feeling that a "large portion", presumably a majority, are aggravated. I kept it vague, because I don't clear data, but the longstanding editorial bias and support for the Liberal party predictably yields a lot of opposition. The widening trust gap amongst Conservatives for the CBC is even highlighted by your link: 49 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Pollara does an annual poll of trusted sources and they come SECOND nationally after The Weather Network. I just don't see a lot of hard data on this. https://www.pollara.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Trust-in-Media-July-2024-final.pdf It's an interesting read, but the last few years have put into question how valuable and accurate this sort of polling research is. I'm more inclined to trust hard data about the precipitous drop in revenue and ratings for the CBC, despite large increases in public funding. There's a disconnect here. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Moonbox Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 14 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Except, as we see, executive orders by the president can do anything he wants without congress or senate votes. Except that the House can invalidate executive orders through their own legislation and through denial of funding. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Dougie93 Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 (edited) 8 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: I don’t think most Canadians understand the extent of U.S. self interest and the risks to Canada. pretty sure they're getting the message now ; Diversity is not a strength the role of the federal government is not social programs Canada is a British Empire unto itself, to navigate & defend a Northwest Passage and all the riches therein the role of the Crown is to maximize state power, military, economic & diplomatic to defend you, defend your rights, defend your property because the World Police are not coming to save you the Neoliberal Globalists said that democracies never go to war against each other yet the British Parliament & the American Congress were both democracies in 1812 and America has always disputed Canada's claims to the Northwest Passage the American position is that the Northwest Passage is International waters beyond the 12 mile limit like Saudi Arabia, Canada needs to become so resource rich ; that Canada can Wag the Dog too and the RCN needs to be capable of defending your interests on the high seas as necessary if AUKUS won't sell Canada nuclear submarines ; buy them from the French only the Russians have Polar Class 1 nuclear icebreakers Canada should break out as the first NATO country to build them COVID cost $600 billion, a trade war with America would cost the same total cost ; $1.2 trillion nuclear warships would cost only a tiny fraction of that printing money and handing it out only incites inflation if you're going to spend money without inflation, it needs to be spent on increased production build the pipelines, build the refineries, but also build a fleet to secure the lines of communication what price do you put on sovereignty ? go big or go home Edited February 5 by Dougie93 2 Quote
ExFlyer Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 25 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Except that the House can invalidate executive orders through their own legislation and through denial of funding. Ha Ha Ha ...like that will happen. I think you underestimate presidential power and overestimate the will of the house and senate. Trump is in the catbird seat and he knows it and will use it....as has been the case in his first month in power (without house or senate assistance). Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Moonbox Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 1 minute ago, ExFlyer said: Ha Ha Ha ...like that will happen. I think you underestimate presidential power and overestimate the will of the house and senate. Perhaps, but I think folks overestimate the strength of Trump's mandate and how far down stupid-road they'll all go before they start pumping the breaks. 1 minute ago, ExFlyer said: Trump is in the catbird seat and he knows it and will use it....as has been the case in his first month in power (without house or senate assistance). True enough, but rounding up and kicking out illegals, or taking the hammer to the bureaucracy is a bit different than starting pointless/costly trade wars with close allies, or taking over Gaza. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Legato Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 4 hours ago, eyeball said: I wonder how this wave of patriotism will affect sentiments around the CBC? Arguments for keeping it will likely be bolstered and it could enjoy a renaissance. lol Quote
CdnFox Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 4 hours ago, eyeball said: I wonder how this wave of patriotism will affect sentiments around the CBC? Arguments for keeping it will likely be bolstered and it could enjoy a renaissance. It's way too late. If anything for those who were dissatisfied with it their patriotism will make them want it gone more. It's really too late to do anything about the cbc. People that cared about it should have pushed for it to be cleaned up a long time ago. You should have been saying that for decades now 🤣 I do appreciate your optimism tho Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
ExFlyer Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 15 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Perhaps, but I think folks overestimate the strength of Trump's mandate and how far down stupid-road they'll all go before they start pumping the breaks. True enough, but rounding up and kicking out illegals, or taking the hammer to the bureaucracy is a bit different than starting pointless/costly trade wars with close allies, or taking over Gaza. He got voted in for his mandate. No overestimation there at all. He is re-paving his "stupid - road. Mid terms aside, he has at least 2 years of fee reign. He has taken the hammer to the US bureaucracy as he promised to do. Killed programs, fired people and a lot more to come. Well, he got his way with "starting pointless/costly trade wars with close allies". Gaza is just blowing smoke. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Moonbox Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 10 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: He got voted in for his mandate. No overestimation there at all. He is re-paving his "stupid - road. Mid terms aside, he has at least 2 years of fee reign. He has taken the hammer to the US bureaucracy as he promised to do. Killed programs, fired people and a lot more to come. Do you figure that torpedoing the economies of swing states like Michigan/Ohio/Pennsylvania via trade war with Canada will be popular policy among their voters, and won't affect mid-term elections? Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Zeitgeist Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 50 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: pretty sure they're getting the message now ; Diversity is not a strength the role of the federal government is not social programs Canada is a British Empire unto itself, to navigate & defend a Northwest Passage and all the riches therein the role of the Crown is to maximize state power, military, economic & diplomatic to defend you, defend your rights, defend your property because the World Police are not coming to save you the Neoliberal Globalists said that democracies never go to war against each other yet the British Parliament & the American Congress were both democracies in 1812 and America has always disputed Canada's claims to the Northwest Passage the American position is that the Northwest Passage is International waters beyond the 12 mile limit like Saudi Arabia, Canada needs to become so resource rich ; that Canada can Wag the Dog too and the RCN needs to be capable of defending your interests on the high seas as necessary if AUKUS won't sell Canada nuclear submarines ; buy them from the French only the Russians have Polar Class 1 nuclear icebreakers Canada should break out as the first NATO country to build them COVID cost $600 billion, a trade war with America would cost the same total cost ; $1.2 trillion nuclear warships would cost only a tiny fraction of that printing money and handing it out only incites inflation if you're going to spend money without inflation, it needs to be spent on increased production build the pipelines, build the refineries, but also build a fleet to defend the lines of communication what price do you put on sovereignty ? go big or go home I like it. This approach brings hard power and focus on unlocking the economic potential of Canada, which when divided among 41 million people should make us the wealthiest country in the world, especially once confidence returns and our dollar strengthens. That was our trajectory under Harper. That’s the trajectory of a well-managed independent Canada. Any kind of economic union with the U.S. would have to be something better that doesn’t include giving up what Canadians value. US-CAN citizenship in a much larger land mass would also have tremendous value, perhaps more value, but we haven’t heard the case for it or seen evidence yet of a consensus around what that would look like for the citizens of both countries. Quote
CdnFox Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 Just now, Moonbox said: Do you figure that torpedoing the economies of swing states like Michigan/Ohio/Pennsylvania via trade war with Canada will be popular policy among their voters, and won't affect mid-term elections? And it's worth mentioning that the midterms are going to be a lot more important for him than even normally would be for presidents. If the democrats win sufficient support in the house and the senate they are absolutely 100% going to find a reason to impeach him and throw him out of office. Guaranteed. Sure, that requires a 2/3 vote in the senate but a bad midterm could hand that to the dems very easily. There's 35 seats up for grabs and most of them are republican so if they get flipped it wouldn't take that many to make impeachment a real possibility. Only about 15 or so seats would have to flip in the senate to give them the ability to do that. I would think trump has to have realized that and be aware that he would be extremely vulnerable. A trade war that significantly impacts the people of the state is going to get him in trouble and put him at risk 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Moonbox Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: And it's worth mentioning that the midterms are going to be a lot more important for him than even normally would be for presidents. If the democrats win sufficient support in the house and the senate they are absolutely 100% going to find a reason to impeach him and throw him out of office. Guaranteed. I don't think they'll try to impeach him again unless he does something egregious or traitorous, but they don't even need to. A second-term President who loses the House is a lame-duck who'll get stymied and filibustered for 2 years until he's done. I think he has 12-18 months to really swing his clout, after which House Republicans will really start focusing on their own re-elections. If Trump's popularity wanes in the meantime, that will only embolden opposition amongst them. Outside of his tariff ranting, so far I think he's having an okay time. Rounding up and deporting the illegals and crashing the monolithic public service will enjoy support at least until it starts affecting the daily lives and wallets of the average voter. A multi-front trade war yields almost immediate negative results and whatever (small) positive outcomes arise from it will lag years behind. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
ExFlyer Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 17 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Do you figure that torpedoing the economies of swing states like Michigan/Ohio/Pennsylvania via trade war with Canada will be popular policy among their voters, and won't affect mid-term elections? I do not think in any way that any states will be economically torpedoed by losing Canadian shoppers or trade. They will survive just nicely and won't whine nearly as much as we do. You way overestimate our importance to the US. I think this is beaten to death now LOL Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
ExFlyer Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 12 minutes ago, CdnFox said: And it's worth mentioning that the midterms are going to be a lot more important for him than even normally would be for presidents. If the democrats win sufficient support in the house and the senate they are absolutely 100% going to find a reason to impeach him and throw him out of office. Guaranteed. Sure, that requires a 2/3 vote in the senate but a bad midterm could hand that to the dems very easily. There's 35 seats up for grabs and most of them are republican so if they get flipped it wouldn't take that many to make impeachment a real possibility. Only about 15 or so seats would have to flip in the senate to give them the ability to do that. I would think trump has to have realized that and be aware that he would be extremely vulnerable. A trade war that significantly impacts the people of the state is going to get him in trouble and put him at risk Impeach and throw him out??? Like the last time?? He even got nailed for misconduct and yet....here he is LOL Like I said, he has enough executive power to carry on carrying on. Oh and most Americans still think tariffs are a penalty paid by the exporters and manufacturers....and no amount of proof is going to change their mind because Trump said otherwise LOL Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
CdnFox Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 8 minutes ago, Moonbox said: I don't think they'll try to impeach him again unless he does something egregious or traitorous, but they don't even need to. A second-term President who loses the House is a lame-duck who'll get stymied and filibustered for 2 years until he's done. I think he has 12-18 months to really swing his clout, after which House Republicans will really start focusing on their own re-elections. If Trump's popularity wanes in the meantime, that will only embolden opposition amongst them. Outside of his tariff ranting, so far I think he's having an okay time. Rounding up and deporting the illegals and crashing the monolithic public service will enjoy support at least until it starts affecting the daily lives and wallets of the average voter. A multi-front trade war yields almost immediate negative results and whatever (small) positive outcomes arise from it will lag years behind. Well in either case we both agree that the midterm elections will cost him dearly if he pisses the public off between now and then. And as most of the seats that will be coming up in the senate are republican it would be very easy to flip enough. I personally think you're underestimating their abject hatred of trump and strong desire to make him "Fail' and to "beat" him etc. Normally I agree that what you are saying would be the case but I think trump is kind of special for them. I honestly believe they would do it for no better reason than to laugh in his face. And there is a practical consideration. If he gets taken out then Vance becomes president and he will still be a lame duck president because of the house and senate and they can basically we can him as a candidate for the next presidency once trump's Term is over. That has some value, most people already see he's going to be a strong contender for the nomination and would make a difficult opponent Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: This is a narrative that tends to put all CBC content in the same pot: TV, radio, cable, podcasts, sports... not to mention Radio Canada in Quebec. It's a narrative that's best reserved for people more concerned about space lasers, COVID authoritarianism and that the PMO and editorial room for CBC News are one and the same thing. It's nuts. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Dougie93 Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 16 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: I like it. This approach brings hard power and focus on unlocking the economic potential of Canada, which when divided among 41 million people should make us the wealthiest country in the world, especially once confidence returns and our dollar strengthens. That was our trajectory under Harper. That’s the trajectory of a well-managed independent Canada. Any kind of economic union with the U.S. would have to be something better that doesn’t include giving up what Canadians value. US-CAN citizenship in a much larger land mass would also have tremendous value, perhaps more value, but we haven’t heard the case for it or seen evidence yet of a consensus around what that would look like for the citizens of both countries. US-CAN citizenship is just more Neoliberal Globalism I have right of return in both directions at the border dual citizen, same as Wayne Gretzky yet I remain constantly aware of my obligations therein United Kingdom United States Agreement ( UKUSA ) USA - CANADA Special Service Force, forged in the fires of the Second World War Anglo - American like Winston Churchill himself you are the one whom invoked Canada as being a Cultural Protectorate I would defend & uphold that but only if it is the British Crown in North America, born upon the Plains of Abraham ironically, the Citadel at Quebec is the most British place in the world Je me souviens ; "We do not forget, and will never forget, our ancient lineage, traditions and memories of all the past" Americans no longer respect Canada, because since the Canada Act 1982, Canadians have become a people without a history ; easy to control a fake country with no national interest the remedy to that is not to go to America cap in hand, begging to be let in any Canadian worth his salt can acquire American citizenship already but Americans only respect Wayne Gretzky, embrace him as one of their own because he is the ultimate Canadian superstar ; The Great One you don't want to treat with America as refugees on your knees, seeking to escape a Post National State Americans will never respect that, that is simply reducing yourselves to being Mexico North Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 2 hours ago, Moonbox said: I'm more inclined to trust hard data about the precipitous drop in revenue and ratings for the CBC, despite large increases in public funding. There's a disconnect here. If you can isolate the variables that are causal, with respect to decline in all network television then that's a valid approach. But, again, we have: cable, podcasting, radio, and Radio Canada to consider. And - no - I have no idea how they're faring. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 31 minutes ago, eyeball said: It's a narrative that's best reserved for people more concerned about space lasers, COVID authoritarianism and that the PMO and editorial room for CBC News are one and the same thing. It's nuts. Instead of shutting down Canadian sources, I would rather they force the Hedge Fund that owns all Canadian newspapers to sell. That's a pretty clear conflict of interest for their editorial boards, I would think. The Toronto Sun actually said... Trump may be wrong most of the time, but his comments sting because they point to Canada’s potential to do better. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Moonbox Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 58 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: I do not think in any way that any states will be economically torpedoed by losing Canadian shoppers or trade. They will survive just nicely and won't whine nearly as much as we do. If you say so, but Michiganers aren't making light of tariffs as you do, and most of them against them are against them. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
eyeball Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 25 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Instead of shutting down Canadian sources, I would rather they force the Hedge Fund that owns all Canadian newspapers to sell. That's a pretty clear conflict of interest for their editorial boards, I would think. Sure, then there's news media horizontally integrated with humungous corporations and their own peculiar interests. The fear however that CBC News equates to propaganda and then using that as an excuse to shut it down is nuts. The damage is done though. Canada will be a stupider less informed place without it. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ExFlyer Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 15 minutes ago, Moonbox said: If you say so, but Michiganers aren't making light of tariffs as you do, and most of them against them are against them. LOL 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Moonbox Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 23 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: If you can isolate the variables that are causal, with respect to decline in all network television then that's a valid approach. You don't really have to isolate anything. CBC's cable network viewership is declining both in absolute terms and in terms of relative viewership (ie. their share of the pie is shrinking rapidly). 23 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: But, again, we have: cable, podcasting, radio, and Radio Canada to consider. And - no - I have no idea how they're faring. I think we can assume "not well" considering the CBC just laid off 25% of its workforce. Legacy media is struggling in general, but this is particularly notable considering the heavy subsidies they receive. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Zeitgeist Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: US-CAN citizenship is just more Neoliberal Globalism I have right of return in both directions at the border dual citizen, same as Wayne Gretzky yet I remain constantly aware of my obligations therein United Kingdom United States Agreement ( UKUSA ) USA - CANADA Special Service Force, forged in the fires of the Second World War Anglo - American like Winston Churchill himself you are the one whom invoked Canada as being a Cultural Protectorate I would defend & uphold that but only if it is the British Crown in North America, born upon the Plains of Abraham ironically, the Citadel at Quebec is the most British place in the world Je me souviens ; "We do not forget, and will never forget, our ancient lineage, traditions and memories of all the past" Americans no longer respect Canada, because since the Canada Act 1982, Canadians have become a people without a history ; easy to control a fake country with no national interest the remedy to that is not to go to America cap in hand, begging to be let in any Canadian worth his salt can acquire American citizenship already but Americans only respect Wayne Gretzky, embrace him as one of their own because he is the ultimate Canadian superstar ; The Great One you don't want to treat with America as refugees on your knees, seeking to escape a Post National State Americans will never respect that, that is simply reducing yourselves to being Mexico North Totally agree. Post-National State is the erasure of Canada. It goes hand in hand with the false narrative of Canada as genocidal when it was and remains perhaps the least violent, least oppressive, most harmonious society on Earth, probably also the wealthiest in terms of natural resources, education, and social safety net overall. Chretien and Harper understand this, but of course we lapsed into weakness by relying too much on government to take care of us, too much on America to defend us, too much on international organizations to tell us how to think and live. We also bought into dubious ideas about identity and radical activism. Canada has lapsed into socialist complacency. The courts and media have bought into the phoney overdone anti-Canadian woke-green rhetoric. We overspent on unaffordable programs, some of which just aren’t effective. We stopped asserting our rights, which our Constitution probably doesn’t enshrine properly. We don’t even have protection of property. Too much state intervention. Not enough energy and entrepreneurial spirit. Lagging productivity. Compromised healthcare. Screwed up priorities on defence and resource development. All of this can be turned around. Now it must be turned around or we stand no chance defending our interests against the interests of the behemoth to the south, unless we join the behemoth. Edited February 6 by Zeitgeist Quote
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