robosmith Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 24 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: not necessarily take for example the greatest Fascist of them all ; Francisco Franco once he had consolidated power in Spain first he completely avoids the Second World War, enraging Hitler by refusing to go on a crusade then Franco courts America, becoming America's stalwart ally in the Cold War by the 1970s Fascist Spain had the richest economy in Europe, booming when everybody else was in crisis then he dies in his sleep, hero to his people, at 82 years of age Conquered and plundered. Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 Carlo Dade: Canada still woefully unprepared for a trade war with the U.S. Canadian foreign policy establishment remains wedded to an outdated vision of the U.S. relationship Carlo Dade, Special to Financial Post Published Jan 20, 2025 Back in September, this paper published an opinion piece entitled: “Why a U.S. global tariff is the real existential trade threat facing Canada: Canada must prepare for a world where the old trade playbook no longer applies.” In the intervening five and half months, Canada has done little, if anything, to prepare, and that inaction is now coming back to bite the country and the exporters who earn 30 to 50 per cent of provincial GDP from their exports to the U.S. Other than New Brunswick, these U.S. exports as a percentage of provincial GDP are highest out west, which is why western Canada has the most at stake and has been paying the most attention. Preparing for the second administration and the clear, explicit tariff promises — and, more importantly, policies developed by the America First movement — was and is a two-part job. Part one is to engage the Americans — not just to change minds about tariffs, but to understand the reasons and motivations of those proposing them. This entails actually listening to the tariff advocates, to take note of what they say, how they formulate their world view. This cannot be done if the sole motivation in engaging is to change minds. Engaging to listen is not the same as engaging to, from the perspective of the other side, elite-splain how things should work. You may not like or agree with the other point of view. But if you are to develop effective counter narratives and arguments, you first have to listen. Looking at the current discourse between Canadians and the tariff advocates in the America First movement, you see two groups talking past, not with, each other. https://financialpost.com/news/economy/canada-unprepared-trade-war-us Quote
BeaverFever Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 (edited) 7 hours ago, Dougie93 said: Canadians misunderstood what Trump was saying you can read the plan that Trump is following the GOP is going to force Canadian companies to relocate to America it has already started, before the war has even begun, Canadian companies are in the process of relocating they are keeping their head offices in Canada, moving their production facilities to the USA quietly so far, but once this gets going, that will turn into a flood of Canadian companies abandoning Canada because businesses are not actually patriotic, they will go where they need to all Trump was saying is ; if you don't like it, Canada, you can apply to be the 51st State They are not going to spend billios of dollars on a multi-yesr relocation program just to appease the whims of one mentally unstable one-term president Dictator On Day One is musing about annexing his neighbours, expanding his territory and renaming international bodies of water features after his kingdom because he thinks doing so glorifies him personally. DODO isn’t following some master plan or sending clever messages. He’s just an unstable egotistical id1ot who doesn’t understand how economies work or the consequences of his own actions and neither do the know-nothing goons he’s appointed to run the country . And so long as Canadians can show a spine and not demure in typical Canadian fashion he’s about to learn the hard way. Edited January 31 by BeaverFever Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 9 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Time to hit the states with both barrels. Some good strategies in that post. What did they carve out in the past? Apple products. Perhaps coffee most recently? It seems that price hikes on middle class consumer items, and also oil, are a trigger. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Dougie93 Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 45 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: . And so long as Canadians can show a spine and not demure in typical Canadian fashion he’s about to learn the hard way. the scenarios being presented seem more like worst of both worlds the Feds talking about graduated retaliation in stages rather than shock & awe Doug Ford did invoke shock & awe with the threat to cut off hydro, but then he started wavering in terms of exports tariffs on oil, Alberta has a work around Alberta can buy the oil first, then sell it over the border, and Ottawa can't tariff a province Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 13 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: it seems that price hikes on middle class consumer items, and also oil, are a trigger. a prolonged war is a loss for Canada in order to win the war before it does catastrophic damage, it has to be shock & awe something which causes an immediate crisis in America something which actually spooks Trump into reversing course quickly America has a lot of oil, oil is not going to cause a crisis Doug Ford's threat of cutting states off from hydro electric power altogether that would have an immediate effect and would be a crisis Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 10 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: Wonderful to see you sticking up for your country, especially when an unhinged leader puts tariffs on us for no legitimate reason. I am a citizen of both countries and I think America has a case Canada has been free riding on American national security for decades literally thumbing its nose at America, daring America to do something about it Canada also engages in widespread unfair protectionism Supply Management, Digital Services Tax, Online News Act, etcetera, Canadian banks are deeply involved in the US markets, American banks are banned from Canada Canada is soft on crime, soft on terrorism, soft on border security Canada immigration system is out of control and Canada acts a proxy for the Chinese in many ways Quote
BeaverFever Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 33 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: the scenarios being presented seem more like worst of both worlds the Feds talking about graduated retaliation in stages rather than shock & awe Doug Ford did invoke shock & awe with the threat to cut off hydro, but then he started wavering in terms of exports tariffs on oil, Alberta has a work around Alberta can buy the oil first, then sell it over the border, and Ottawa can't tariff a province It needs to be shock and awe. We can reserve a small amount of firepower so we can threaten an escalation if DODO doesn’t come to his senses but the opening salvo needs to shock Americans. Especially since we will need to penetrate the distraction and noise of the Super Bowl and the usual US media circus. Unfortunately Canadians are absolutely terrible when it comes to taking bold and decisive action, we prefer dithering, endless dialogue and incrementalism. If we can’t rise to the moment now we never will for anything. Quote
Hodad Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 45 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Some good strategies in that post. What did they carve out in the past? Apple products. Perhaps coffee most recently? It seems that price hikes on middle class consumer items, and also oil, are a trigger. Is it too late for Canada to get into the egg game? As far as I can tell, the MAGA armchair economists only care about the price of gas and eggs. The factually strong Biden economy was terrible if the price of eggs went up. That could be your secret weapon. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 1 minute ago, Hodad said: Is it too late for Canada to get into the egg game? As far as I can tell, the MAGA armchair economists only care about the price of gas and eggs. The factually strong Biden economy was terrible if the price of eggs went up. That could be your secret weapon. I believe in the vibecession more than GDP readouts. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Dougie93 Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 (edited) 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: It needs to be shock and awe. We can reserve a small amount of firepower so we can threaten an escalation if DODO doesn’t come to his senses but the opening salvo needs to shock Americans. Especially since we will need to penetrate the distraction and noise of the Super Bowl and the usual US media circus. Unfortunately Canadians are absolutely terrible when it comes to taking bold and decisive action, we prefer dithering, endless dialogue and incrementalism. If we can’t rise to the moment now we never will for anything. Exactly which is why I think retaliation is a bad strategy I would simply make moves in Canada which would offset the effects of the tariffs Canadians are freaking out, so you have broad latitude to go shock & awe at home never mind the debt, go for massive tax cuts across the board subsidize like crazy fools, hand out money like its going out of style, to include UBI drop all protectionist barriers internally, and to every other country, invite imports to make everything cheaper in Canada, not more expensive remove all barriers to big projects, everything is approved, raise interest rates to prop up the dollar, government will be the lender of last resort but prohibit all foreclosures, tell the banks they are just going to have eat it for the time being now is not the time to let the housing bubble implode make a deal with the Devil ; cozy up to the Chinese like Norman Bethune National Mobilization ; invoke the Emergencies Act to give the GoC wartime powers nobody is leaving Canada for the United States ; you've all been Conscripted apply pressure on Buckingham Palace; we're going to war Your Majesty, so get your ass over here to rally the troops go to 10 Downing Street too ; hey UK, you need us, we need you, let's work together go to Paris & Berlin too, Shuttle Diplomacy now now now never mind the election, Section 50 gives the Liberals until 2026, send Mark Carney same as the Russians are doing right now, you spool everything up until it is running white hot wartime economy reach out to every ally you have and call in all your markers coalition of the willing then just wait Trump out Edited January 31 by Dougie93 Quote
Aristides Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 (edited) One thing, our choices will be clear. Counter tariffs will hurt US producers and encourage Canadians to find markets elsewhere and buy non US products. Shop at London Drugs, Canadian Tire and Home Hardware instead of Wallmart, Home Depot, Costco and other US retailers. Edited January 31 by Aristides Quote
BeaverFever Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: Canada also engages in widespread unfair protectionism Supply Management, Digital Services Tax, Online News Act, etcetera, Canadian banks are deeply involved in the US markets, American banks are banned from Canada Canada is soft on crime, soft on terrorism, soft on border security Canada immigration system is out of control and Canada acts a proxy for the Chinese in many ways USA engages in widespread protectionism also. It has its own Supply Management system whereby the federal government purchases surplus dairy and agricultural products for little purpose other than to create artificial demand. It also gas and entire catalogue of routine agricultural subsidies and there are also many price guarantees whereby farmers receive cheques from the federal government if prices fall below a certain threshold Online News Act and digital services tax is not protectionism and has nothing to do with the US Plus look at the Americans draconian practices like the absurd copyright protections in legislation like DMCA where citizens can’t even legally fix or modify goods they’ve bought and paid for US banks are not banned in Canada. Many operate here in commercial and investment banking and commercial financing. They simply CHOOSE not to provide retail banking in our well organized and well regulated retail banking and the sheer size of the Big 5 Canadian Banks makes it difficult for startups to compete in retail. Seeing as US banks are a corrupt shitshow that brought down the entire global financial system not so long ago I don’t miss them one bit. But conversely the US retail banking system is still characterized by small local or regional banks so it is easy for the big Canadians to expand south than for US banks to come north. The Interac point of sale purchase system is almost 40 years old in Canada but in the US it’s still difficult to pay by debit except at major chains and only for those who have a chequing account that uses a credit card network like Visa And because of this in the US there are no mobile card terminals like the kind the waiter brings to your table at a restaurant If you want to pay for a meal in the US with a credit card, the waiter disappears with your card and then returns some time later with a paper slip for you to sign like it’s the 1980s and you just have to trust that they didn’t copy down details for nefarious purposes. For some reason this primitive banking system also means restaurants can’t properly split a bill. I guess it just causes the whole point of sale system to be primitive. Next time you are out to dinner in the US with a group of people, ask for separate bills, 9 times out of ten they will screw it up I guarantee it As for allegedly being soft on crime and terrorism the results speak for themselves we don’t have a problem with either compared to the US And even id we were it’s none of DOD’s business anyways. Neither is our immigration policy his concern. Certainly none of it would have anything to do with a trade war. And regarding the border the real problem is the flow into Canada from the US not the other way around. We’ve be dealing with American drugs guns and criminals flowing north since time immemorial with US refusing to do anything about it and Republicans even stopping US law enforcement from doing anything about the gun problem. The last time DODO was president we were flooded with illegals from the US and he did nothing on his side to stop it. And with DODO back in office we will be flooded again soon. The southward flow of illegals and contraband is statistically insignificant, like spitting into the ocean His excuses for the trade war and annexation talk keep shifting because there’s no real reason for any of it other than DODO’s ego Canada is not and has never been a proxy for the Chinese. The real proxies have always been the corporations getting rich from doing business in China. Elon Musk continues to profit greatly from making his cars in China and using Chinese parts throughout his empire. Now he is in the White House whispering in DODO’s ear. Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 8 minutes ago, Aristides said: One thing, our choices will be clear. Counter tariffs will hurt US producers and encourage Canadians to find markets elsewhere and buy non US products. Shop at London Drugs, Canadian Tire and Home Hardware instead of Wallmart, Home Depot, Costco and other US retailers. Costco is your ally, they are with the Democrats Quote
Aristides Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 11 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Costco is your ally, they are with the Democrats I will now buy Chinese before I will buy American. Quote
Aristides Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: I am a citizen of both countries and I think America has a case Canada has been free riding on American national security for decades literally thumbing its nose at America, daring America to do something about it Canada also engages in widespread unfair protectionism Supply Management, Digital Services Tax, Online News Act, etcetera, Canadian banks are deeply involved in the US markets, American banks are banned from Canada Canada is soft on crime, soft on terrorism, soft on border security Canada immigration system is out of control and Canada acts a proxy for the Chinese in many ways Supply management means user pay instead of government subsidies like the US. Their banks aren't banned, our rules just an aren't cowboy enough for them. Several US banks do commercial business in Canada, but not retail banking. We are soft on crime. Who were we proxy for when we detained Meng Wanzou? Boy was that a mistake. Edited January 31 by Aristides Quote
Aristides Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 2 hours ago, Dougie93 said: a prolonged war is a loss for Canada in order to win the war before it does catastrophic damage, it has to be shock & awe something which causes an immediate crisis in America something which actually spooks Trump into reversing course quickly America has a lot of oil, oil is not going to cause a crisis Doug Ford's threat of cutting states off from hydro electric power altogether that would have an immediate effect and would be a crisis Many US refineries depend on and can only refine our heavy oil. They have no other options than Venezuela who's industry is in tatters and because there are no pipelines from tidewater to supply them if it wasn't. Sure they could change but it will be very expensive and time consuming. New refineries cost between 5 and 15 billion USD to build. Quote
Aristides Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 Quote “I’m going to get a little wonky and write about Donald Trump and negotiations. For those who don't know, I'm an adjunct professor at Indiana University - Robert H. McKinney School of Law and I teach negotiations. Okay, here goes. Trump, as most of us know, is the credited author of "The Art of the Deal," a book that was actually ghost written by a man named Tony Schwartz, who was given access to Trump and wrote based upon his observations. If you've read The Art of the Deal, or if you've followed Trump lately, you'll know, even if you didn't know the label, that he sees all dealmaking as what we call "distributive bargaining." Distributive bargaining always has a winner and a loser. It happens when there is a fixed quantity of something and two sides are fighting over how it gets distributed. Think of it as a pie and you're fighting over who gets how many pieces. In Trump's world, the bargaining was for a building, or for construction work, or subcontractors. He perceives a successful bargain as one in which there is a winner and a loser, so if he pays less than the seller wants, he wins. The more he saves the more he wins. The other type of bargaining is called integrative bargaining. In integrative bargaining the two sides don't have a complete conflict of interest, and it is possible to reach mutually beneficial agreements. Think of it, not a single pie to be divided by two hungry people, but as a baker and a caterer negotiating over how many pies will be baked at what prices, and the nature of their ongoing relationship after this one gig is over. The problem with Trump is that he sees only distributive bargaining in an international world that requires integrative bargaining. He can raise tariffs, but so can other countries. He can't demand they not respond. There is no defined end to the negotiation and there is no simple winner and loser. There are always more pies to be baked. Further, negotiations aren't binary. China's choices aren't (a) buy soybeans from US farmers, or (b) don't buy soybeans. They can also (c) buy soybeans from Russia, or Argentina, or Brazil, or Canada, etc. That completely strips the distributive bargainer of his power to win or lose, to control the negotiation. One of the risks of distributive bargaining is bad will. In a one-time distributive bargain, e.g. negotiating with the cabinet maker in your casino about whether you're going to pay his whole bill or demand a discount, you don't have to worry about your ongoing credibility or the next deal. If you do that to the cabinet maker, you can bet he won't agree to do the cabinets in your next casino, and you're going to have to find another cabinet maker. There isn't another Canada. So when you approach international negotiation, in a world as complex as ours, with integrated economies and multiple buyers and sellers, you simply must approach them through integrative bargaining. If you attempt distributive bargaining, success is impossible. And we see that already. Trump has raised tariffs on China. China responded, in addition to raising tariffs on US goods, by dropping all its soybean orders from the US and buying them from Russia. The effect is not only to cause tremendous harm to US farmers, but also to increase Russian revenue, making Russia less susceptible to sanctions and boycotts, increasing its economic and political power in the world, and reducing ours. Trump saw steel and aluminum and thought it would be an easy win, BECAUSE HE SAW ONLY STEEL AND ALUMINUM - HE SEES EVERY NEGOTIATION AS DISTRIBUTIVE. China saw it as integrative, and integrated Russia and its soybean purchase orders into a far more complex negotiation ecosystem. Trump has the same weakness politically. For every winner there must be a loser. And that's just not how politics works, not over the long run. For people who study negotiations, this is incredibly basic stuff, negotiations 101, definitions you learn before you even start talking about styles and tactics. And here's another huge problem for us. Trump is utterly convinced that his experience in a closely held real estate company has prepared him to run a nation, and therefore he rejects the advice of people who spent entire careers studying the nuances of international negotiations and diplomacy. But the leaders on the other side of the table have not eschewed expertise, they have embraced it. And that means they look at Trump and, given his very limited tool chest and his blindly distributive understanding of negotiation, they know exactly what he is going to do and exactly how to respond to it. From a professional negotiation point of view, Trump isn't even bringing checkers to a chess match. He's bringing a quarter that he insists of flipping for heads or tails, while everybody else is studying the chess board to decide whether its better to open with Najdorf or Grünfeld.” — David Honig 1 Quote
CrakHoBarbie Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 14 hours ago, CdnFox said: Donald Trump confirms tariffs coming Saturday, undecided on oil carve out welp, looks like we're at war. I hope our american friends here realize that this will probably have long term ramifications that they won't care for at all. And it'll impact the friendship between the two countries. Ahh well. We had a good 150 years Hold on..... I thought you were a far right maga buffoon who loves donald. Is the honeymoon over? Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 24 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: USA engages in widespread protectionism also. It has its own Supply Management system whereby the federal government purchases surplus dairy and agricultural products for little purpose other than to create artificial demand. It also gas and entire catalogue of routine agricultural subsidies and there are also many price guarantees whereby farmers receive cheques from the federal government if prices fall below a certain threshold Online News Act and digital services tax is not protectionism and has nothing to do with the US Plus look at the Americans draconian practices like the absurd copyright protections in legislation like DMCA where citizens can’t even legally fix or modify goods they’ve bought and paid for US banks are not banned in Canada. Many operate here in commercial and investment banking and commercial financing. They simply CHOOSE not to provide retail banking in our well organized and well regulated retail banking and the sheer size of the Big 5 Canadian Banks makes it difficult for startups to compete in retail. Seeing as US banks are a corrupt shitshow that brought down the entire global financial system not so long ago I don’t miss them one bit. But conversely the US retail banking system is still characterized by small local or regional banks so it is easy for the big Canadians to expand south than for US banks to come north. The Interac point of sale purchase system is almost 40 years old in Canada but in the US it’s still difficult to pay by debit except at major chains and only for those who have a chequing account that uses a credit card network like Visa And because of this in the US there are no mobile card terminals like the kind the waiter brings to your table at a restaurant If you want to pay for a meal in the US with a credit card, the waiter disappears with your card and then returns some time later with a paper slip for you to sign like it’s the 1980s and you just have to trust that they didn’t copy down details for nefarious purposes. For some reason this primitive banking system also means restaurants can’t properly split a bill. I guess it just causes the whole point of sale system to be primitive. Next time you are out to dinner in the US with a group of people, ask for separate bills, 9 times out of ten they will screw it up I guarantee it As for allegedly being soft on crime and terrorism the results speak for themselves we don’t have a problem with either compared to the US And even id we were it’s none of DOD’s business anyways. Neither is our immigration policy his concern. Certainly none of it would have anything to do with a trade war. And regarding the border the real problem is the flow into Canada from the US not the other way around. We’ve be dealing with American drugs guns and criminals flowing north since time immemorial with US refusing to do anything about it and Republicans even stopping US law enforcement from doing anything about the gun problem. The last time DODO was president we were flooded with illegals from the US and he did nothing on his side to stop it. And with DODO back in office we will be flooded again soon. The southward flow of illegals and contraband is statistically insignificant, like spitting into the ocean His excuses for the trade war and annexation talk keep shifting because there’s no real reason for any of it other than DODO’s ego Canada is not and has never been a proxy for the Chinese. The real proxies have always been the corporations getting rich from doing business in China. Elon Musk continues to profit greatly from making his cars in China and using Chinese parts throughout his empire. Now he is in the White House whispering in DODO’s ear. the Canadian banks are the most powerful banking cartel on earth in terms of all the shady banking in the USA, the Canadian banks were in all of that Congress bailed the Canadian banks out in 2008 along with the rest the Canadian Banks are so powerful in Canada it is impossible to compete with them and they don't compete with each other, they act as a oligopoly they seized Canadian bank accounts of people on the absurd notion that protesting was "terrorism" they debank Canadians with impunity, simply for those Canadians supposedly engaging in wrongthink you don't agree with Gender Ideology ? Boom, no bank account for you, nowhere else for you to go that's literally totalitarian straight of Communist China : Social Credit Scoring in terms of Supply Management, even the Democrats are crying foul about the tariff rates the Democrats were coming for that too in USMCA 2026 Online News Act & Digital Services Tax is a shakedown, straight up money grab for the Liberals to buy off their own lapdog media proxies soft on crime, Americans freaking out about the Mexican drug cartels; they don't see Canada doing much about it soft on terrorism, Canada is bringing in immigrants whom are turning around to launch attacks in the USA the Canadians border was basically wide open, until the Mounties suddenly started doing something a week ago to Americans, guns are not a problem you're blaming the Americans for not stopping guns from coming into Canada ? That's Trumpian in of itself on immigration, Canada is not screening immigrants, Canada literally gave citizenship to an ISIS Jihadist proxy for China is Canada have no military to speak of, and no ability to defend the Arctic we're on the brink of World War Three, perhaps already in the opening stages Canada is literally defenceless for all intents and purposes, could contribute next to nothing in either theatre from the American point of view, that's not incompetence, that is deliberate in terms of corporations operating in China, it's free enterprise, Canada is there too, 600 Canadian companies operating in China you can't order companies not to go there unless you are declaring war against China in which case, again, Canada is the weakest link in the alliance now I'm not saying Trump is justified in taking revenge upon Canada but Canada injected itself into the fight, Canada made itself into a proxy for the Democrats Justin Trudeau and the Liberals recklessly decided to run against Trump while the Liberals spent the last decade crippling the Canadian economy and national security making Canada totally reliant upon and at the mercy of Donald Trump and now that is all coming home to roost it is the highest imperative of a nation state, to defend Canadians from the exact situation that Canada has put Canadian into I'm supposed to stand up for a country which literally places me in peril by design ? that's not how it supposed to work I did my part, I served in the military, in the combat arms it's not me who let Canada down, it's Canada who let me down Canada has forced me to rely entirely upon the Americans for my national defence and top it all off, now Canada wants me to go to war against my family in America and bear in mind, even tho I could flee to the United States, I'm not going to because I swore a solemn oath before God Himself, hand on the King's James Bible to defend & uphold Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, heir & successors, unto death as necessary so I am in fact duty bound to go down with the ship, with my wife in tow for a Post National State with no core identity, which has indicted my entire history & culture as White Supremacist Genocide with a plan which is basically suicidal, imposed on me by a government which is not even showing for work while this shit is hitting the fan I might have to do it, but I don't have to like it, and I am certainly not saying thanks for it Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 2 hours ago, Aristides said: Many US refineries depend on and can only refine our heavy oil. They have no other options than Venezuela who's industry is in tatters and because there are no pipelines from tidewater to supply them if it wasn't. Sure they could change but it will be very expensive and time consuming. New refineries cost between 5 and 15 billion USD to build. America takes Canada's oil at a discount, then sells it at a 20% premium because Canada refuses to build pipelines and refineries at scale but America doesn't need Canada's oil, America can buy oil from all over the world, and refine it America has its own oil, which is higher quality and worth more than Canada's oil but more importantly, Canada cannot supply itself with its own oil Canada cannot supply eastern Canada with sufficient oil instead, eastern Canada relies on a pipeline which comes up from Texas so If Canada wants to get into an oil war with America it's actually America who could cut Canada off, not the other way round Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 2 hours ago, Aristides said: I will now buy Chinese before I will buy American. while the Government of Canada buys billions of dollars worth of US military hardware ? you do realize that the Canadian military is totally reliant upon the Pentagon and American defence contractors ? in terms of buying from China, do you think Canadians are going to stop buying iPhones & Tesla's ? do you really think that Canadians are going to stop shopping at Walmart & Costco ? America is the global Hegemon everywhere you go, it's all integrated with America the whole world relies on selling to the American market everybody is America for all intents & purposes Quote
Army Guy Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 14 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: Wonderful to see you sticking up for your country, especially when an unhinged leader puts tariffs on us for no legitimate reason. I have to ask What have you done for your country, other than spew a few poisoned words on this forum or damn those that have served or have a different opinion than you.......talk is cheap, your opinion are meaniless, compared to actually serving this nation in one form or another.... Dougie has serve his nation, with distinction, he has sacrificed more than you could imagine...He has earned his right to be critical of this nation... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Aristides Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 20 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: America takes Canada's oil at a discount, then sells it at a 20% premium because Canada refuses to build pipelines and refineries at scale but America doesn't need Canada's oil, America can buy oil from all over the world, and refine it America has its own oil, which is higher quality and worth more than Canada's oil but more importantly, Canada cannot supply itself with its own oil Canada cannot supply eastern Canada with sufficient oil instead, eastern Canada relies on a pipeline which comes up from Texas so If Canada wants to get into an oil war with America it's actually America who could cut Canada off, not the other way round They have a lot of refineries that can't process their oil, they were built to use our heavy oil. Quote
godzilla Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 as soon as Trumps press secretary opened her mouth about it today. Quote
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