CdnFox Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 Canada's $52B EV gamble didn't pay off, observers say | Toronto Sun Since 2020, the federal government entered into deals with 13 manufacturers that, according to a June report by the Parliamentary Budget Officer (PBO), now represent $52.5 billion in various government investments and subsidies across the EV supply chain. Automakers, McKitrick said, lose money making electric vehicles and aren’t keen on being compelled to make them a core part of their business. “The Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers Association has echoed that. Their whole industry is losing money, they don’t want to be doing this,” he said. “The argument was simply, ‘Well, you have to, because we’re going to force customers to buy EVs whether they want them or not,’ but the public isn’t buying them.” Sigh. The tech just isn't there. Pug in Hybrids make some sense both for end users and manufactuers. The left screamed for carbon taxes and ev's tho, so with no thought whatsoever thats what we spent our billlions on. Quote
herbie Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 You love to buy into their bullshit, don't you? Every car they make loses sales if it doesn't offer a hybrid version, PHEVs are EVs and the sale of BEVs is still increasing every year. You can't go outside without seeing a Tesla within 10 minutes. So if you wish to judge electrification as a failure you're nuts. Canadians are buying EVs at a bigger rate than Americans, in spite of bigger US incentives. Or are you hoping Trump f*cks over the Canadian sales so good you can stick out you chest and say told ya so? 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 6 minutes ago, herbie said: You love to buy into their bullshit, don't you? Every car they make loses sales if it doesn't offer a hybrid version, PHEVs are EVs and the sale of BEVs is still increasing every year. You can't go outside without seeing a Tesla within 10 minutes. So if you wish to judge electrification as a failure you're nuts. Canadians are buying EVs at a bigger rate than Americans, in spite of bigger US incentives. Or are you hoping Trump f*cks over the Canadian sales so good you can stick out you chest and say told ya so? I don't think your getting it, Climate change is going to die on the vine....Canadians may be driving EV's for now, but in 5 years those fossil fuel vehicles will still hold the majority of sales...US is going to kill their climate change policies cut all the red tape, to cut all the climate BS, and we will have to do the same just to compete...and in 4 years when a new American admin gets in maybe climate change will come back... 2 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted January 27 Author Report Posted January 27 3 hours ago, herbie said: You love to buy into their bullshit, don't you? Factual newspaper articles? I suppose, beats buying into lies and bullshit like you Quote Every car they make loses sales if it doesn't offer a hybrid version, PHEVs are EVs and the sale of BEVs is still increasing every year. You can't go outside without seeing a Tesla within 10 minutes. Blah blah - man the lies you have to tell yourself to get through your day is astouding Quote So if you wish to judge electrification as a failure you're nuts. Not me. The auto manufacturers and industry. EVs are twice as hard to sell today compared to 2023 | Financial Post All the reports are that car manufacturers are scaling back plans for EV's, and now that trump has killed the mandate in the states it's probably going to nose dive. Sorry if facts upset you. Quote Canadians are buying EVs at a bigger rate than Americans, in spite of bigger US incentives. Canada is a tiny market, and largely saturated. More and more people are coming forward with problems with their ev's. Sales may continue but they're slowing down and only represent a small fraction of vehicle sales, about 10 percent i believe. You can twist the numbers to make it look better. Things like 'EV SALES DOUBLE" sound good but when that means you went from 5 to 10 out of every 100 vehicles it doesn't mean much. And that's with incentives. When it goes back to no incentives the sales will plummet. Quote Or are you hoping Trump f*cks over the Canadian sales so good you can stick out you chest and say told ya so? Trump won't be doing anything to our sales. And frankly i've already told you so. And quit looking at my chest, it's weird. 1 Quote
Aristides Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 7 hours ago, Army Guy said: I don't think your getting it, Climate change is going to die on the vine....Canadians may be driving EV's for now, but in 5 years those fossil fuel vehicles will still hold the majority of sales...US is going to kill their climate change policies cut all the red tape, to cut all the climate BS, and we will have to do the same just to compete...and in 4 years when a new American admin gets in maybe climate change will come back... Climate change isn't BS. It's happening regardless of political policy. 1 Quote
Legato Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 5 hours ago, Aristides said: Climate change isn't BS. It's happening regardless of political policy. Climate change always has. is and will despite political policy. Quote
Aristides Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 7 minutes ago, Legato said: Climate change always has. is and will despite political policy. Not this fast. 1 Quote
Legato Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 4 minutes ago, Aristides said: Not this fast. and that despite political policy. Quote
Aristides Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 1 minute ago, Legato said: and that despite political policy. So what are you going to do to adapt? Quote
Legato Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 15 minutes ago, Aristides said: So what are you going to do to adapt? Probably sell my electron guzzling Tesla and buy a coal fired Tahoe. That should do the trick. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 8 hours ago, Aristides said: Climate change isn't BS. It's happening regardless of political policy. Canada has never taken climate change seriously, i mean look at the goals we signed on to achieve and then what we have accomplished....we have achieved 8.5 % of that goal in ten years....He give me 20 bucks and i'll give it back to you at the end of the year....thats our climate policy, very little canadians have invested their own dollars to fight climate change....sh!t hard enough to get them to pay carbon taxes... So yes climate change is real....but globally the ones doing anything real is europe the rest of the globe is burning coal like it was 1999. Trump has already said he is cutting everything to do with climate polices so his manufactures will have an huge advantage over ours and i bet a months wages we will follow suit soon after just to remain competitive.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
taxme Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 9 hours ago, Aristides said: Climate change isn't BS. It's happening regardless of political policy. So, just where is climate change really happening that has not been happening for thousands of years? The climate will always change because that is how things work in nature. Nothing ever remains the same. Climate change as left wing liberals like you like to believe is all bullshit. Climate change has not affected my life, so where is it affecting your life? Oh, pray tell? 😇 Quote
taxme Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 16 hours ago, herbie said: You love to buy into their bullshit, don't you? Every car they make loses sales if it doesn't offer a hybrid version, PHEVs are EVs and the sale of BEVs is still increasing every year. You can't go outside without seeing a Tesla within 10 minutes. So if you wish to judge electrification as a failure you're nuts. Canadians are buying EVs at a bigger rate than Americans, in spite of bigger US incentives. Or are you hoping Trump f*cks over the Canadian sales so good you can stick out you chest and say told ya so? When EV's came out, it became a big novelty for a lot of people who wanted to believe that EV's will be the vehicles of the future. I do not believe your bullshit that EV's are still big sellers. What proof do you have of this? Do you know as to how many EV's and ICE vehicles are being sold in Canada? I will bet that ICE vehicles are the biggest sellers. Trump has phkd the EV industry and i am happy about that. Why would i want to buy an EV when i am unable to plug in my car on my street? Where i live, my car sits on the street with no EV plugs available anywhere nearby where i can charge my EV up overnight. And i am not looking towards the future where there could be millions EV charging units on every street in Canada. What a blight on the environment that would be if that ever happens. But hey, if you want to buy an EV, go ahead, make your day. It's full speed ahead for me and ICE vehicles. They do know real harm to the environment. Billions of tons of loaded chemical shit is deposited into the environment every hour of every day. We deposit billions of tons of garbage into landfills every day that enter the soil and then pollute. But nobody says anything about that. Why? ☹️ 1 Quote
herbie Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 If the feds gave a $5000 rebate for every EV produced, there's be over 10 million EVs on the road today for that amount of money, so the claim is total bullshit in the first place. If you want to include every promised subsidy and tax incentive as money spent, which it isn't, and all the money collected in carbon tax and exclude rebated, you might come close to $57 billion. If you retrogrades simply want to delude yourselves with the notion that 57 Chevys and 71 Cudas were 'better' cars than a modern hybrid, phev or bev go ahead.0 Forget that Elon sold millions of them and made billions selling credits so the others could keep making ICE models. Forget that the best selling non-truck is a RAV4 hybrid in N Americe Forget that the failure was due to starting out with the worst EV models possible, the Hummer and Lightning. Forget you can plug it in and charge it like your iPhone and don't have to go to the gas station and pay $6+ a gallon. Forget that the Chinese are beating the shit out of us in the sector because we dragged our feet and mandates were the only boot in the ass that made the domestics try. We may have spent $57 billion on climate action, but pretending it was all on EVs is a stupid as claiming we've seen no benefits. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 27 Author Report Posted January 27 2 hours ago, herbie said: If the feds gave a $5000 rebate for every EV produced, there's be over 10 million EVs on the road today The rebates have been that high. When you add up the provincial and federal rebates for many vehicles it was $5,000 or more. Not to mention that the argument is stupid out of the gate. If the government offered a 100% rebate everybody would take one. But successful products don't require governments give them away in order for people to adapt them. Nobody had to give away model A fords when people were thinking of transitioning from horses. And as I've already provided proof to you of the car Industries are not finding that this is working for them. The technology just isn't quite there yet. There is a small niche market who can take advantage of it but that's it. Someday I'm sure but not yet Quote
herbie Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 Duh. So if there are any Canadians that didn't take the rebate - name him. Duh #2 - learn elementary school math. A billion is 1000 million. 50 billion/5000 is 10 million. Move to Alberta with Dinosaur Danielle. She just added a $200 yearly fee to register EVs along with he boots to coal mining in the Crowsnest*. Throw as many roadblocks as fast as you can in front of anything new in the name of going backwards. * so they compete for a dwindling market against those horrible miners on the other side of the same mountain...... Quote
CdnFox Posted January 28 Author Report Posted January 28 9 minutes ago, herbie said: Duh. So if there are any Canadians that didn't take the rebate - name him. ???? What? You've done smoked yourself retarded again havent' you. Quote Duh #2 - learn elementary school math. A billion is 1000 million. 50 billion/5000 is 10 million. Follow the dope with a few NyQuil Chasers did you? Quote Move to Alberta with Dinosaur Danielle. She just added a $200 yearly fee to register EVs along with he boots to coal mining in the Crowsnest*. Throw as many roadblocks as fast as you can in front of anything new in the name of going backwards. ..Right, so your argument is that car manufacturers are backing away from EVS, consumers are slowing down if not stopping their purchase of EVS and the EV market is doing badly because Daniel Smith. I take it you were unable to afford your usual tin foil purchase this month and your previous hat wore out Quote
cannuck Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 Evert time government decides to do something...A.NYTHING to choose winners and losers in the business world you can count on two guaranteed things: they will totally f*ck up anything they touch and the kickbacks will be at least 10% of what flows out of our bank....oops, our grandchildrens' tax accounts. 3 Quote
herbie Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 Yeah that's why you'd still be driving a car with no seat belts, safety glass, DRLs and breathing lead and NO2 if the gov't didn't order it. We're talking about CARS here the ultimate fail of your govt f*cks up everything mantra. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 28 Author Report Posted January 28 13 hours ago, herbie said: Yeah that's why you'd still be driving a car with no seat belts, safety glass, DRLs and breathing lead and NO2 if the gov't didn't order it. We're talking about CARS here the ultimate fail of your govt f*cks up everything mantra. None of that is an example of government choosing winners or losers in the market which is what he said. He didn't say anything about the government passing regulations he said whenever the government picks winners or losers from the marketplace it gets screwed up. And he is absolutely right. That has nothing to do with seat belts. You have the comprehension skills of a 3-year-old who hasn't gone down for his nap yet. Quote
Aristides Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 Government regulations have done a tremendous amount to make cars safer and less polluting. I have a 66 Chrysler 300 convertible that I restored. A great big land yacht that I love but it is death trap. No crumple zones or telescopic steering column, no rollover protection, lap belts and seat backs that are free to flip forward so you can smash your head into a solid steel dash, shitty handling and brakes compared to today's cars. A 440 cu in engine that sucks premium like you wouldn't believe and stinks so bad I have to leave the garage door open for a half hour after backing it in to get rid of the fumes. They don't make them like they used to and that's a good thing. Quote
cannuck Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 On 1/27/2025 at 1:59 PM, taxme said: So, just where is climate change really happening that has not been happening for thousands of years? The climate will always change because that is how things work in nature. Nothing ever remains the same. Climate change as left wing liberals like you like to believe is all bullshit. Climate change has not affected my life, so where is it affecting your life? Oh, pray tell? 😇 That is a valid question. The answer is: "politics" = but not so much regional as on a global scale. There is no question that climate is changing - as it has done for billions of years - but there is an opportunity for an economically competitive advantage by replacing nuclear fears with the carbon bugaboo. It was so easy as media has been (often correctly) exposing the horrible track record on environmental damage of the oil production and petrochem industry so the dirty work (sorry for the pun) was mostly done. Once the Euroweenie realized they had used up their easy oil and uncle Vlad had them by the balls to keep on keeping on it was an easy play to demonize the industries they were beholden to and move the market into a new space where there was no massive advantage to oil producing competitive nations. Once left leaning and thoughtless governments started playing off the UN led book and primed the "climate science" pump with a bit of cash, every basket weaving student could switch from inclusive studies to the even more lucrative "climate science" field with ultra low barriers of entry. What the truly ignorant "climate scientists" completely miss is that the path to sustainability can only come by doing LESS of what is causing our very real sustainability crisis, not devising more elaborate, more costly and more polluting ways to do more of what is the real problem. No question that the wrong approach is "drill baby drill" but anyone with a half a brain could easily realize the using massive amounts of immature and inappropriate technology to flood our streets and landfills with un-recyclable wind generator blades to charge incredibly polluting and not yet recyclable toxic batteries is equally inept. What is far, far worse is the shifting our attention to the so easy target of carbon from Big Oil means we are giving a pass to the plastic industries that are poisoning the very biota that extracts and fixes carbon and releases the oxygen that feed the start of the entire food chain and provide us with the oxygen we breathe. THAT is where our very existence will very soon come to an end. Quote
cannuck Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 12 minutes ago, Aristides said: Government regulations have done a tremendous amount to make cars safer and less polluting. I have a 66 Chrysler 300 convertible that I restored. A great big land yacht that I love but it is death trap. No crumple zones or telescopic steering column, no rollover protection, lap belts and seat backs that are free to flip forward so you can smash your head into a solid steel dash, shitty handling and brakes compared to today's cars. A 440 cu in engine that sucks premium like you wouldn't believe and stinks so bad I have to leave the garage door open for a half hour after backing it in to get rid of the fumes. They don't make them like they used to and that's a good thing. Once again those same government regulations merely facilitate doing business as usual that is not in any way sustainable. Problem #1 that nobody seems to have the brains or balls to deal with is population. We live on a nice couple billion supportable planet that we have allowed to bloat to 8.2 Bn and counting ever faster by each day. Regardless of what we as a species do or do not contribute to pollution of our environment it is the explosion in our numbers that will soon make life miserable and unsustainable for us on this tiny planet. Instead of implementing population controls what do we do? Build millions of BEVs to run back and fourth between the dowtown office, urban home and cottages at the lake and spend trillions towards sending a probe to Mars to see how we can screw that place up too. Quote
betsy Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 It's another taxpayers' money down the drain! The Liberal government kinda reminds me of someone who's always getting into epic failed get-rich-quickly investments! Quote
Aristides Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 27 minutes ago, cannuck said: Once again those same government regulations merely facilitate doing business as usual that is not in any way sustainable. Problem #1 that nobody seems to have the brains or balls to deal with is population. We live on a nice couple billion supportable planet that we have allowed to bloat to 8.2 Bn and counting ever faster by each day. Regardless of what we as a species do or do not contribute to pollution of our environment it is the explosion in our numbers that will soon make life miserable and unsustainable for us on this tiny planet. Instead of implementing population controls what do we do? Build millions of BEVs to run back and fourth between the dowtown office, urban home and cottages at the lake and spend trillions towards sending a probe to Mars to see how we can screw that place up too. Our birth rate isn't capable of even sustaining the population we have. We rely on immigration to do that. Quote
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