Israel and Hamas hostage-ceasefire agreement

[carepov]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-text-of-the-hostage-ceasefire-agreement-reached-between-israel-and-hamas/

What do you think about this deal?

I hope that the deal holds and there is an end to all killing.

I hope that most of the hostages are alive and will recover, especially Shiri Bibas and her sons Ariel, and Kfir, who were abducted from Kibbutz Nir Oz when they were 4 and 9 months old.  Unfortunately they are probably dead.

[User]

As long as Hamas is allowed to remain in power, there will never be an end to all the killing. 

 

[carepov]

1 hour ago, User said:

As long as Hamas is allowed to remain in power, there will never be an end to all the killing. 

Maybe the border can be solidified like North and South Korea?

[User]

2 minutes ago, carepov said:

Maybe the border can be solidified like North and South Korea?

Not when they launch rockets randomly into Israel. 

 

[carepov]

11 minutes ago, User said:

Not when they launch rockets randomly into Israel. 

 

 There is a chance that Hamas stays in power yet respects the terms of the ceasefire.

[User]

2 minutes ago, carepov said:

 There is a chance that Hamas stays in power yet respects the terms of the ceasefire.

I doubt it. The ceasefire is short-term in phases; it is not an end to all warfighting moving forward. Hamas made no pledges or promises to never attack Israel ever again. 

They have not changed any of their past comments on Israel. 

 

[cannuck]

This thread should have been titled: "The Hamas Resupply Agreement".

The aid that has been flowing daily into Gaza was mostly hijacked by Hamas and surplus sold to Gazans at extremely high cost.  The UN has been proven totally incompetent in delivering aid to Gazans in need and upping the flow to 600 trucks a day means that weapons and munitions will be flowing in at a stunning rate.  After all, the thousand or so combatants being released will need supplies, won't they?

Edited January 19 by cannuck

[carepov]

23 hours ago, cannuck said:

This thread should have been titled: "The Hamas Resupply Agreement".

The aid that has been flowing daily into Gaza was mostly hijacked by Hamas and surplus sold to Gazans at extremely high cost.  The UN has been proven totally incompetent in delivering aid to Gazans in need and upping the flow to 600 trucks a day means that weapons and munitions will be flowing in at a stunning rate.  After all, the thousand or so combatants being released will need supplies, won't they?

What are your thoughts about the hostages?

Also, my understanding is that no released poisoners are going back to Gaza.

[cannuck]

On 1/20/2025 at 8:33 AM, carepov said:

What are your thoughts about the hostages?

Also, my understanding is that no released poisoners are going back to Gaza.

At 10:1 or so for what could be mostly Hamas operatives or combatants, the offset for Israeli hostages is not a great deal.  Once more: Hamas celebrating their victory.

[Army Guy]

23 hours ago, cannuck said:

At 10:1 or so for what could be mostly Hamas operatives or combatants, the offset for Israeli hostages is not a great deal.  Once more: Hamas celebrating their victory.

Not much to celebrate, their city lays in ruins, it's winter, most if not all of the critical infrastructure is in ruins, most of their veteran fighters are dead, getting back a few thousand POW is not enough to resume the war with any positive results...and if history is any indication it won't be long before both sides are killing each other again...

[carepov]

34 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Not much to celebrate, their city lays in ruins, it's winter, most if not all of the critical infrastructure is in ruins, most of their veteran fighters are dead, getting back a few thousand POW is not enough to resume the war with any positive results...and if history is any indication it won't be long before both sides are killing each other again...

In addition, the war (including the events in Lebanon, Syria, Iran and Yemen) has significantly strengthened Israel's position.   It is obvious to any reasonable person that Israel is here to stay.  Hopefully the majority of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank will one day realize this.

[WestCanMan]

On 1/17/2025 at 9:16 AM, carepov said:

I hope that the deal holds and there is an end to all killing.

I hope that most of the hostages are alive and will recover, especially Shiri Bibas and her sons Ariel, and Kfir, who were abducted from Kibbutz Nir Oz when they were 4 and 9 months old.  Unfortunately they are probably dead.

As long as Hamas and Iran keep winning the PR war, there can never be more than a temporary cease-fire. 

Hamas will keep firing rockets and missiles into Israel, and they will keep digging tunnels, and they will keep committing as many terrorist attacks as they can, as long as they can still get university students in NYC to March in their protests. This is just an opportunity for them to refresh their missile stocks. 

[WestCanMan]

On 1/17/2025 at 12:01 PM, carepov said:

Maybe the border can be solidified like North and South Korea?

Hamas had hundreds of kms of tunnels.

It's just a matter of time before Iran builds a nuke, and they smuggle it under Israel via their underground tunnel system from Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia or Lebanon. 

[eyeball]

24 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Hamas had hundreds of kms of tunnels.

It's just a matter of time before Iran builds a nuke, and they smuggle it under Israel via their underground tunnel system from Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia or Lebanon.

Yup. Or someone will finally pilfer a Russian nuke. I'm rather amazed it already hasn't happened.

[WestCanMan]

22 hours ago, eyeball said:

Yup. Or someone will finally pilfer a Russian nuke. I'm rather amazed it already hasn't happened.

I'd be really surprised if there's not already one there, just awaiting the perfect moment for detonation. 

It doesn't have to be in an existing tunnel, they could have opened up a tunnel, stashed their nuke, and then filled it all back in. All they need is either for there to be a timer on it, or a method of detonating it remotely. 

I would not bet on Israel existing in the year 2200. I'd take the bet that the Israelis, and maybe even all the Jews, were exterminated by then, and that every state in the Arab world made peace with - whoever committed that genocide - before it was even over. 

[cannuck]

33 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I'd be really surprised if there's not already one there, just awaiting the perfect moment for detonation. 

It doesn't have to be in an existing tunnel, they could have opened up a tunnel, stashed their nuke, and then filled it all back in. All they need is either for there to be a timer on it, or a method of detonating it remotely. 

I would not bet on Israel existing in the year 2200. I'd take the bet that the Israelis, and maybe even all the Jews, were exterminated by then, and that every state in the Arab world made peace with - whoever committed that genocide - before it was even over. 

Have worked a bit with pipeline intrusion detection technology.   From 50km away, the good stuff can locate source of noise within a couple of meters and even identify the type and size of approaching vehicles/equipment and then applied force of the intruders's ground engagement tool.  Hamas/Hez/Iran could indeed detonate a small nuke on/within their borders but I can tell you with certainty that Israel excells at building and using this technology (behind only UK)

Edited January 25 by cannuck

[WestCanMan]

29 minutes ago, cannuck said:

Have worked a bit with pipeline intrusion detection technology.   From 50km away, the good stuff can locate source of noise within a couple of meters and even identify the type and size of approaching vehicles/equipment and then applied force of the intruders's ground engagement tool.  Hamas/Hez/Iran could indeed detonate a small nuke on/within their borders but I can tell you with certainty that Israel excells at building and using this technology (behind only UK)

Didn't Hamas already have tunnels under Israel?

They don't necessarily have to "dig" 1 km off of an existing tunnel to make room for a nuke. If they have enough time they could probably just use steam or low-pressure water to tunnel a few feet. Then just back-fill it. 

 

I honestly wonder if that kind of thing could be detected with ground-penetrating radar though, or through some other method of detecting radioactive material. 

Our gov'ts don't seem all that worried about the threat of nukes being delivered without missile technology. I.e., in cars/trucks, etc.

Edited January 25 by WestCanMan

[cannuck]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Didn't Hamas already have tunnels under Israel?

They don't necessarily have to "dig" 1 km off of an existing tunnel to make room for a nuke. If they have enough time they could probably just use steam or low-pressure water to tunnel a few feet. Then just back-fill it. 

 

I honestly wonder if that kind of thing could be detected with ground-penetrating radar though, or through some other method of detecting radioactive material. 

Our gov'ts don't seem all that worried about the threat of nukes being delivered without missile technology. I.e., in cars/trucks, etc.

Pipeline intrusion detection is a fiber optic cable "listening" to sound.  It is probably more in line with what submariners do than any other process.  At a military max performance level, I expect they could clearly hear footsteps and many more things and identify what and maybe who the signature fit.

When you say "nukes" I assume you mean dirty bombs, but there are (at least where when my Father instructed on them) battlefield nukes that could indeed fit in a man sized tunnel.  Let's hope they never get hold of such a thing.

[carepov]

On 1/24/2025 at 12:33 PM, WestCanMan said:

As long as Hamas and Iran keep winning the PR war, there can never be more than a temporary cease-fire. 

Hamas will keep firing rockets and missiles into Israel, and they will keep digging tunnels, and they will keep committing as many terrorist attacks as they can, as long as they can still get university students in NYC to March in their protests. This is just an opportunity for them to refresh their missile stocks. 

PR is absolutely part of the war, however, I would argue that despite the protests Israel it at least competitive in this war.  Support for Israel is very strong where it counts: the leaders of the West, especially the USA.  I also think that the silent majority (of non-Muslim people) also support Israel.

Overall PR has not significantly hampered the war.  The hostage situation is way more problematic to Israel.  If/when the hostages are released, either the cease fire holds (unlikely) or Hamas launches missiles then Israel will have another chance to attack without all the internal pressure from the internal Israeli hostage-release-pressure-groups.

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, carepov said:

PR is absolutely part of the war, however, I would argue that despite the protests Israel it at least competitive in this war.  Support for Israel is very strong where it counts: the leaders of the West, especially the USA.  I also think that the silent majority (of non-Muslim people) also support Israel.

Overall PR has not significantly hampered the war.  The hostage situation is way more problematic to Israel.  If/when the hostages are released, either the cease fire holds (unlikely) or Hamas launches missiles then Israel will have another chance to attack without all the internal pressure from the internal Israeli hostage-release-pressure-groups.

After this is done. I would have the US surround the Middle East and let all the Semites go at it.

[ironstone]

This short video sums of the cease fire deal:

At 5:20, there is a segment that explains that sick Palestinian mindset perfectly and why there will never be peace.

DOGE also just stopped a deal that would have sent 50 million dollars worth of condoms to Gaza. Now what use would condoms be to Gazans who procreate at an astonishing level(see above clip as to why)? Only in Gaza would condoms be weaponized.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state-dept-pulls-millions-funding-condoms-gaza-trump-admin-looks-trim-spending

Palestinians attach an incendiary device to inflated plastic bags and condoms to be directed and flown towards Israel, near 

Edited January 29 by ironstone