Climate Change is Real: Actor and Trump supporter James Woods loses everything

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, Venandi said:

what do you see as the best short term and long term strategy for California to embark on

I'd be moving to cooler wetter climes myself, get ahead of the curve.

[West]

https://www.ktla.com/news/local-news/arson-suspect-arrested-in-woodland-hills-near-kenneth-fire/amp/

Looks like it was a whacko arsonist, not climate change, responsible for the fire

[eyeball]

26 minutes ago, West said:

Looks like it was a whacko arsonist, not climate change, responsible for the fire

The only role climate change plays in these wildfires is to make them so much worse. How they start is secondary.

[CdnFox]

Arsonist lights fire.  The left:  CLIMATE CHAAAAAAAAANGE!!!!!  (reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!)

Sigh. I see the left is continuing with its 'never let a crisis go to waste' nonsense.

Honestly it's pretty horrible. 

[Hodad]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

The only role climate change plays in these wildfires is to make them so much worse. How they start is secondary.

Apparently "conservatives" are sitting around thinking that the role of climate change in wildfires would mean that temperatures simply rose to the combustion point of wood. 480 degrees would be a hot day in the valley indeed.

I use the word "thinking" very loosely. 

[Hodad]

6 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Yes. The chicken Littles love to use the 100 year chart. Why?

It turns out that the temperature changes, historically, aren't a solid linear line. The temperature changes look more like the stock market. While you can normalize the trend, the data set shows peaks and valleys as it climbs and falls.

The chicken Littles love to use 100 years ago because that is a valley. So take a look at this.

If you go back about 1000 years, you will see that the global temperature was about .8 degree C cooler. Meanwhile, chicken Littles are trying to tell you we have gained 1.5 degrees in the last 100 years.

It sounds scarey, but it isn't the truth. The truth is CO2 is a by product of increased temperatures and it is because CO2 is produced by increasing temperatures that the planet is able to produce more vegetation and thus more life.

It's called science.

A. Some goofball looking at a chart is not "called science."

B. Especially when said goofball badly misreads it. 100 years ago is NOT a "valley. And we aren't up 1.5 degrees from the "valley." We're up 1.5 degrees from the historical average--and in a remarkably short period of time while the sun is relatively cool, BTW.

Even an innumerate child could look at this and see the aberrant spike in the post-industrial years.  

 

You sourced that chart (directly or indirectly) from https://nca2023.globalchange.gov/chapter/2/

Why don't you go read some actual science from the scientists who made the goddamn chart.

Climate Is Changing, and Scientists Understand Why

It is unequivocal that human activities have increased atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases. It is also unequivocal that global average temperature has risen in response. Observed warming over the continental United States and Alaska is higher than the global average (virtually certain, very high confidence). Long-term changes have been observed in many other aspects of the climate system (very high confidence). The Earth system is complex and interconnected, which means changes in faraway regions are virtually certain to affect the United States (very high confidence).

Extreme Events Are Becoming More Frequent and Severe

Observations show an increase in the severity, extent, and/or frequency of multiple types of extreme events. Heatwaves have become more common and severe in the West since the 1980s (high confidence). Drought risk has been increasing in the Southwest over the past century (very high confidence), while at the same time rainfall has become more extreme in recent decades, especially east of the Rockies (very high confidence). Hurricanes have been intensifying more rapidly since the 1980s (high confidence) and causing heavier rainfall and higher storm surges (high confidence). More frequent and larger wildfires have been burning in the West in the past few decades due to a combination of climate factors, societal changes, and policies (very high confidence).

[Venandi]

48 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Apparently "conservatives" are sitting around thinking that the role of climate change in wildfires would mean that temperatures simply rose to the combustion point of wood. 480 degrees would be a hot day in the valley indeed.

Yes that's clearly what the hyenas are thinking, so after extended reflection and collaboration with Herb that's your considered opinion is it... best ya got?

I'm wondering how that assertion applies to the task at hand. Lets say I have a change of heart, that i now attribute all of this to global warming, I join your club and call anyone with the temerity to point to brush piles, budget cuts, known weather patterns, no water etc hyenas.

Now what? Since you've now convinced me that the hyenas are untrainable, lets stop wasting time insulting these low intelligence creatures who can't grasp the depth of our combined brilliance anyway.

Congratulations, DEI Offender, Herb and I just promoted you to Fire Captain... what's your plan skipper? 

Just a practical observation but given the task at hand, I'd place some of the thinking here somewhere between irrelevant and self defeating... pretty much on par with flying drones into water bombers operating in restricted airspace. AND:
 

48 minutes ago, Hodad said:

I use the word "thinking" very loosely. 

Lest you not believe it from other outlets that our newly formed alliance has labeled FOS, I took the liberty of using CNN as a source:

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/10/us/super-scooper-drone-collision-la-fire-canada-hnk-intl/index.html

Edited January 10 by Venandi

[Hodad]

10 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Yes that's clearly what the hyenas are thinking, so after extended reflection and collaboration with Herb that's your considered opinion is it... best ya got?

I'm wondering how that assertion applies to the task at hand. Lets say I have a change of heart, that i now attribute all of this to global warming, I join your club and call anyone with the temerity to point to brush piles, budget cuts, known weather patterns, no water etc hyenas.

Now what? Since you've now convinced me that the hyenas are untrainable, lets stop wasting time insulting these low intelligence creatures who can't grasp the depth of our combined brilliance anyway.

Congratulations, DEI Offender, Herb and I just promoted you to Fire Captain... what's your plan skipper? 

Just a practical observation but given the task at hand, I'd place some of the thinking here somewhere between irrelevant and self defeating... pretty much on par with flying drones into water bombers operating in restricted airspace. AND:
 

Lest you not believe it from other sources that our newly formed alliance label FOS, I took the liberty of used CNN as a source:

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/10/us/super-scooper-drone-collision-la-fire-canada-hnk-intl/index.html

It's great that you're passionate about mitigating conditions that exacerbate risk, but once again it's irrelevant to the exchange into which you've inserted yourself. I don't mind people jumping into a conversation (it's an open forum) but you clearly want to talk about something other than climate change.

And I'm real sorry some dummy broke your plane.🤷‍♂️

 

[gatomontes99]

6 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Do you know how to read charts?

The graph clearly shows temperature dramatically rising for the past 100 years or so, more than any time in human history.

That's because Humanity has basically existed in an ice age.

Now, look at how quickly we transitioned from ice age to gas house. Plus, looking at such a minute data set when the transitions are measured in hundredss of thousands of years is asinine. This 1880 to today dataset is taking the valley and the peak and calling that data normalization. That isn't how it's done.

Edited January 10 by gatomontes99

[Venandi]

40 minutes ago, Hodad said:

...once again it's irrelevant to the exchange into which you've inserted yourself.

Unfortunately though you just posted about hyenas not understanding the role of climate change in wildfires and I fear these dog like rejects will jump on that statement with all four paws. So, as you can imagine, I remain concerned about our messaging at the press conference....What if some hyena from FOX suggests that mitigating these combined threats isn't:

40 minutes ago, Hodad said:

irrelevant to the exchange

at all.

Some of these mad MAGA fools may even suggest that this is the very point of having the exchange in the first place. A couple of them seem to think that the combined effects of climate change, fire mitigation strategies and suppression options need a re-think.

No accounting for hyenas eh? 

Edited January 10 by Venandi

[User]

7 hours ago, eyeball said:

The only role climate change plays in these wildfires is to make them so much worse. How they start is secondary.

Nope, marginally worse. 

 

[eyeball]

31 minutes ago, User said:

Nope, marginally worse. 

Increasingly worse.

[User]

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

Why don't you go read some actual science from the scientists who made the goddamn chart.

Those are selective scientists choosing what methods to use to interpret the data sets they choose to use to create that timeline. 

As it was already pointed out, we did not have weather stations covering the globe 1000 years ago with satellites all reading global surface temperatures. 

 

 

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Increasingly worse.

Marginally worse. 

These fires would still happen with or without the so-called human caused climate change, acting like this never would have happened, or anywhere near this scale, if only those evil Republicans cared enough about reducing greenhouse gas emissions is a farce. 

 

[West]

Climate change scientists are a very tiny number of folks who make their money off government grants given by a political party who has demonstrated a full on willingness to politicize everything imaginable from health care to education to policing and wildfire management. 

What makes one think these scientists are legitimate?

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, West said:

What makes one think these scientists are legitimate?

There's barely a right wing chud amongst them would be my first clue.

17 minutes ago, User said:

Marginally worse.

Worse.

[User]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Worse.

With no more context, such is meaningless. You are trying to be intentionally vague to avoid the simple fact that we are talking about margins here. 

 

[Black Dog]

13 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

And? Pointing out stupid policies get bad results is not the same as celebrating someone losing their life or house. Like, how do you even think they are remotely the same?

You're right: making spurious and unfounded conspiratorial claims to imply the collective victims had it coming is much worse than laughing at an individual douchebag getting his s*it wrecked.

[eyeball]

7 minutes ago, User said:

With no more context, such is meaningless. You are trying to be intentionally vague to avoid the simple fact that we are talking about margins here.

This would be so much easier if you people would stop beating around the bush and simply say you don't give a shit one way or another when we're taking about climate change.

Then we could talk about how little or how much of a shit we give. But even that seems as obvious as climate change.

[Legato]

14 minutes ago, eyeball said:

There's barely a right wing chud amongst them would be my first clue.

Worse.

and the fact that they are mainly all left wing chuds somehow makes it OK?

and the fact that these "scientists" every year genuflect at the research grant trough.

and the fact that in a real scientific community there would never be a consensus.

[User]

Just now, eyeball said:

This would be so much easier if you people would stop beating around the bush and simply say you don't give a shit one way or another when we're taking about climate change.

Then we could talk about how little or how much of a shit we give. But even that seems as obvious as climate change.

 

 

I give far more shits about it than you do. 

You folks are completely ignorant. I bet you don't do one damn thing differently in your life to actually care about this like it is the crisis you guys claim it to be. You live your 1st world life and think that if you destroy your economy with absurd policies that will incrementally change emissions over the next 100 years, while you completely ignore China and India, you are doing something. 



 

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, User said:

I give far more shits about it than you do.

Prove it.

[User]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Prove it.

It was your dumb dishonest assertion. What did you base trying to claim I don't give a shit on?

[eyeball]

19 minutes ago, User said:

It was your dumb dishonest assertion. What did you base trying to claim I don't give a shit on?

The team you're on and now the fact you haven't pointed to the greater piles of shit you give.

That said...

....I've added insulation and replaced almost all the old inefficient windows to my buildings.

...Kept up with greater fuel efficient lower emmission engines (I burn as much as 300 litres of fuel a day at work)

...Taken several courses on ecosystem restoration and worked in the field for years.

...Worked at the community/regional level to get sewage pump out stations installed - there's lots of other good reasons for these but better water quality means healthier eelgrass beds which help capture CO2.

...I support and vote for people who also give a shit.

Your turn. 

 

Edited January 10 by eyeball

[User]

12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The team you're on and now the fact you haven't pointed to the greater piles of shit you give.

That said...

....I've added insulation and replaced almost all the old inefficient windows to my buildings.

...Kept up with greater fuel efficient lower emmission engines (I burn as much as 300 litres of fuel a day at work)

...Taken several courses on ecosystem restoration and worked in the field for years.

...Worked at the community/regional level to get sewage pump out stations installed - there's lots of other good reasons for these but better water quality means healthier eelgrass beds which help capture CO2.

...I support and vote for people who also give a shit.

Your turn. 

 

The team I am on? LOL

Humans are best at adaptation and mitigation, not prevention here. 

Climate change is happening with or without humans and has for as long as there has been a climate on Earth. So, the issue is, how much do we contribute? How bad is it? We marginally contribute, which means we can marginally not... but climate will continue to change. 

Folks on the left act like the world will be destroyed, and even science doesn't support that. 

The simple fact is that we are better at adapting. Just like these fires... your plan is to spend the next 100 years trying to marginally reduce emissions while China and India completely don't care and erase anything you do or the politicians you support force on everyone to do at great expense... 

So why don't we understand that fire season can be bad, put more $$$ into fire prevention, having enough water in the reservoirs to fight those fires now. 

That is the difference between you and I. 

 

[robosmith]

16 hours ago, Venandi said:

Somehow I feel relived by that, it renders you irrelevant.

Seems I'm relevant enough for you to feel the need to debate with, and LOSE.

16 hours ago, Venandi said:

...I'm beginning to think...

No you're not. I would never vote for Trump.

16 hours ago, Venandi said:

Without you and the general malaise you spawned Trump wouldn't be a blip on that radar screen you seem unable to interpret without a hyena.

Well, thanks for your vote of confidence in my powers of persuasion, but I can assure you that's just YOUR FANTASY.

16 hours ago, Venandi said:

I see your point, multitasking isn't for everyone, your time would be better spent caring about where you're headed than where I've been, I don't remember seeing you there anyway.

Cheers 

Seeing me where? Your blame is not a place and you're not making ANY sense.