Trump's 51st State Troll

[CdnFox]

24 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

I bet you're too stupid to realize that would be even worse.

LOLOL it's not worse or better.  

This is trump.  It's how he negotiates.  It's like trying to analyze how serious a  kid throwing a tantrum is,  he does it for the theatre and to throw people off balance. 

You ignore it, and then you go at his concerns and negotiate like a parent would with a child. 

Of course, you're so blinded by your hatred and bigotry you don't know who to be mad at or what's going on. Leave this stuff to the pros, you go back to playing with your barbie and ez bake oven    (yes i'm that old.)

[Michael Hardner]

32 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

I bet you're too stupid to realize that would be even worse.

Maybe but so far " he is trolling" is the only defense of his actions from the pro MAGAs on here.

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18 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Maybe but so far " he is trolling" is the only defense of his actions from the pro MAGAs on here.

They say when s**t hits the fan, the true character of people emerges. At this point of time, we can accurately say that the people who happen to be Canadian, who defend Trump, are either cowards, or worse- traitors. 

 

Edited January 8 by DUI_Offender

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53 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

I bet you're too stupid to realize that would be even worse.

@CdnFox is not Canadian.

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You have to be at least seven different kinds of stupid not to realize that it's a troll job. Anyone who thinks this is an actual thing needs to get checked for brain worms.

Well, just imagine someone much like yourself in charge of the Emergency Satchel and the most powerful military on the planet.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Maybe but so far " he is trolling" is the only defense of his actions from the pro MAGAs on here.

I'm incredibly dishonest of you. It's not a defense. Nobody said it was a good thing or that is something he should be doing. It's just an observation

But as usual you fire off a cheap shot and run away with your tail between your legs rather than add anything useful for the conversation

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Well, just imagine someone much like yourself in charge of the Emergency Satchel and the most powerful military on the planet.

The world would be a better place. Unlike you I live firmly grounded in reality.

As far as imagining someone like trump we don't have to. He did that for four years.

So basically you have nothing intelligent to that either, so you'd make some sort of nebulous weird comment about a satchel that I'll never have my hands on and that the person we're discussing already has.

Shirley to god the woke left has at least one intelligent person somewhere in their ranks. Find them and bring them here, I'm sick of talking to children

[BeaverFever]

7 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Canada is far more protectionist than America is

Canada imposes plenty of tariffs, 100% tariffs on Chinese EV's just recently

Canada has an absurdly protected market, banning foriegn competition in many sectors

and Canada has supply management mafias which practically run the government

pardon me if I don't shed any tears for this so called "Canada"

simply because it is getting a taste of its own medicine, while absurdly at the same time claiming it to be "poison"

f8ck b!tch whiny hypocritical "Canada" and the Commie Liberal NDP horse it rode in on / shrugs

Don’t be ridiculous. Canada is the ONLY G7 nation that has free trade agreements with every other G7 nation. US is more protectionist than we are. So is Europe. 

[BeaverFever]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It is so obvious it isn't funny. Trump is going to make Canada a state? Canada, who's right-wing party is actually slightly left of the democrats most of the time? Canada who's "ultra right wing" Prime minister stephen harper's campaign platform was almost word for word identical to Obama's?

Finally a conservative acknowledges this fact!  Can you now answer the age old question: If Canadian conservative supporters are more closely aligned with Democrats on policy, why do so many support republicans?

[herbie]

Claiming he is joking is denying the Fanta Fascist is clearly suffering from dementia.
Someone about to take over the White House does not "joke' about taking over or buying their allies land by armed or economic force. Goes beyond simple boorish behaviour.
His supporters are ashamed they chose senile dementia over Biden's forgetfullness and are simply so damn stubborn they can't admit it. But then again they're the same ones who think tariffs will make things less expensive......

I wish I could see their faces when they tell their own kids they must go pick lettuce to pay off their student loans.

BTW the tariff on EVs was complete suckage to the US overloards. We could considered going full Aussie and stop subsidizing domestic auto production. Then given the choice of a $25,000 EV that costs $2 to charge or a $75,000 US pickup that get 15 mpg we'd cut CO2 faster than Norway without need of either a carbon tax nor EV buyer subsidies. Hurt the US far more than us.

Edited January 8 by herbie

[eyeball]

38 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Finally a conservative acknowledges this fact!  Can you now answer the age old question: If Canadian conservative supporters are more closely aligned with Democrats on policy, why do so many support republicans?

It's the journey not the destination.

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Finally a conservative acknowledges this fact!

It has been acknowledged for ages that for most of our history our conservative governments are far to the left of american conservative governments and closer to many of the democratic options in a variety of policies. If you are just hearing that for the first time now then thank you for showing up and congratulations on passing High School  

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 Can you now answer the age old question: If Canadian conservative supporters are more closely aligned with Democrats on policy, why do so many support republicans?

There are a number of reasons. With the 2 Trudeau's aside canadian liberals and conservatives tend to be far more fiscally responsible than democrats. So the dems don't look so attractive.  Further the democrats tend to repress rights that people on the center and right of the spectrum consider important (such as firearms rights and freedom of speech etc) and especially in the last 20 years the left and dems in the states have been promoting the hell out of the culture wars and intersectional coalitions and blm riots and palastinian terrorists, and increasingly so as they went along, and none of that sits well with Conservatives. 

It's gotten even worse with the latest corruptions, the lawfare and the hiding the fact the president was mentally toast, etc.  Frankly i would have found all of that disgusting if the republicans had done it.  Sadly that door is open now so not much you can do, i'm sure there'll be 'retaliation'. 

The left in the states is all anti business, tax the rich, big gov't, lots of spending, repression of free speech and so on.  Even tho many conservatives would agree or at least be ok with many "left wing" democrat policies such as universal access to health care, basic social safety net systems, more money for education etc they can't stomach the rest. 

Some of the dem policies like access to health care, access to birth control are fine for conservatives in general by and large but then you get abortion up to the moment the baby enters the birth canal and franly even a lot of liberals in canada can't stomach that. 

However the far woke left democrats are probably on the wane now. There will probably be a return to the more centrist sort of liberal democrat in the states after they got their clocks cleaned.  and if canada was part of the states and forced to choose between dems and republicans, thanks to the college system it would deliver about 52 seats to the democrats 8 out of 10 times at least for the foreseeable future.  Why would trump want that? He KNOWS we elected trudeau for 10 years, we're capable of going that far left  

 

 

Edited January 8 by CdnFox

[Boges]

14 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Finally a conservative acknowledges this fact!  Can you now answer the age old question: If Canadian conservative supporters are more closely aligned with Democrats on policy, why do so many support republicans?

I don't think so many do. Just the blowhards you see online. 

[CdnFox]

17 hours ago, eyeball said:

It's the journey not the destination.

 

It's neither. You just think that sounds clever so you frequently repeat it but it's absolutely childish

16 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It has been acknowledged for ages that for most of our history our conservative governments are far to the left of american conservative governments and closer to many of the democratic options in a variety of policies. If you are just hearing that for the first time now then thank you for showing up and congratulations on passing High School  

There are a number of reasons. With the 2 Trudeau's aside canadian liberals and conservatives tend to be far more fiscally responsible than democrats. So the dems don't look so attractive.  Further the democrats tend to repress rights that people on the center and right of the spectrum consider important (such as firearms rights and freedom of speech etc) and especially in the last 20 years the left and dems in the states have been promoting the hell out of the culture wars and intersectional coalitions and blm riots and palastinian terrorists, and increasingly so as they went along, and none of that sits well with Conservatives. 

It's gotten even worse with the latest corruptions, the lawfare and the hiding the fact the president was mentally toast, etc.  Frankly i would have found all of that disgusting if the republicans had done it.  Sadly that door is open now so not much you can do, i'm sure there'll be 'retaliation'. 

The left in the states is all anti business, tax the rich, big gov't, lots of spending, repression of free speech and so on.  Even tho many conservatives would agree or at least be ok with many "left wing" democrat policies such as universal access to health care, basic social safety net systems, more money for education etc they can't stomach the rest. 

Some of the dem policies like access to health care, access to birth control are fine for conservatives in general by and large but then you get abortion up to the moment the baby enters the birth canal and franly even a lot of liberals in canada can't stomach that. 

However the far woke left democrats are probably on the wane now. There will probably be a return to the more centrist sort of liberal democrat in the states after they got their clocks cleaned.  and if canada was part of the states and forced to choose between dems and republicans, thanks to the college system it would deliver about 52 seats to the democrats 8 out of 10 times at least for the foreseeable future.  Why would trump want that? He KNOWS we elected trudeau for 10 years, we're capable of going that far left  

 

 

Awww little @Politics1990 was so butt hurt by the truth that he had to give me a little down arrow to make himself feel better  LOLOL!!

ever notice how if you actually answer a question with an honest reasonable reply the left freaks out? It's like they find truth and honesty personally offensive or something  

Edited January 8 by CdnFox

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

It's neither.

So it's just a pendulum? It seems more like a wrecking ball swinging in all directions these days.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So it's just a pendulum? It seems more like a wrecking ball swinging in all directions these days.

It is none of those things. It seems that way to you because you have a 0% understanding of both politics, human nature, conservatives, or in fact even what you're talking about.

I have explained all of this to you before, it's common knowledge, your whole little destination versus journey versus wrecking ball thing is a childish way of looking at what shouldn't be a complicated issue.

Conservatives of principles and values from which policy is derived regarding any specific subject, and it tends to be consistent. There is no journey, there is no destination, there is no pendulum, leave the application of logic and reason in any given circumstance.

I guess that's why you struggle to understand it.

[eyeball]

23 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I have explained all of this to you before, it's common knowledge, your whole little destination versus journey versus wrecking ball thing is a childish way of looking at what shouldn't be a complicated issue.

Who said it was complicated?  Muddying the waters to make them seem deep is so you. 

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Who said it was complicated? 

Who said anyone said it was? I just said it wasn't. Then again making up stuff that people didn't say is kind of your thing  

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Muddying the waters to make them seem deep is so you. 

You're the one buddy in the waters. I'm the one that said it isn't deep  

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Who said anyone said it was? I just said it wasn't. Then again making up stuff that people didn't say is kind of your thing  

You're the one buddy in the waters. I'm the one that said it isn't deep  

Sure kid. 🙄

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sure kid. 🙄

[BeaverFever]

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It has been acknowledged for ages that for most of our history our conservative governments are far to the left of american conservative governments and closer to many of the democratic options in a variety of policies.

Has it been acknowledged by Canadian Conservatives?  The rest of us always mention it but it seem conservatives don’t like to talking about it publicly and whenever I mention it in online forums like this one most of you will change the subject. 
 

But it’s funny because in the rest of your post you then go on to completely undermine this statement with a diatribe about how left wing the democrats are . 

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

With the 2 Trudeau's aside canadian liberals and conservatives tend to be far more fiscally responsible than democrats. So the dems don't look so attractive.

False. As has been shoe to yoy many times, it is Republicans who always run up debts the most. Republican hero Reagan QUADRUPLED the national debt during his term. Bush Jr. Doubled it. Bush Sr and Trump also massively increased the debt also. The only president in recent history to run a balanced budget was Bill Clinton. That’s another “inconvenient truth” republicans just refuse to even acknowledge  

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Further the democrats tend to repress rights that people on the center and right of the spectrum consider important (such as firearms rights and freedom of speech etc)

1) Canadian Conservatives generally don’t support Republican-style gun policies and tens to mostly support Canadian gun control

2) Republicans don’t support freedom of speech more than Democrats  Republicans brought in sweeping big brother surveillance law known as the Patriot Act  Republicans “spent time in the shadows” snatching people off the streets and flying them to secret black sites to be tortured.   Republicans attack the media and cancel people from twitter if their lies are fact checked or their statements are critiqued. Republicans canceled a beer brand because they gave a tranny influencer a free beer. Republicans tried (but failed) to cancel Disney, subjecting them to regulatory abuse for publicly criticizing their policies.  Republicans have weirdly specific laws for compelled spee ch compelling public schools to teach the bible and put up religious signs, and that history lessons must biased towards  “patriotic” narratives  
 

Meanwhile Canadian conservatives have shown they have no problem invoking the notwithstanding clause to bypass the charter of rights and freedoms for passing trivial issues and personal pet theories that don’t even pan out   
 

21 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The left in the states is all anti business, tax the rich, big gov't, lots of spending, repression of free speech and so on.  Even tho many conservatives would agree or at least be ok with many "left wing" democrat policies such as universal access to health care, basic social safety net systems, more money for education etc they can't stomach the rest. 

Baloney most Democrat economic policies are similar to or even to the right of mainstream Canadian Conservatives like Harper.  You are trying to take fringe democratic politicians who are light years from the seat of party power and pretend they represent the mainstream democratic party. But Biden, Obama, Clinton, Pelosi are not those people. 
 

21 hours ago, CdnFox said:

but then you get abortion up to the moment the baby enters the birth canal and franly even a lot of liberals in canada can't stomach that

That’s an absolute lie as has been proven repeatedly. Your claim lies on a ridiculous absurd hypothetical question one grandstanding politician asked another on camera about what would happen if a baby entered a birth canal halfway through an abortion in progress which is ridiculous for so many reasons that have already been explained  

Besides abortion in Canada even under conservatives is far more liberal than anything any Democrat has ever proposed. In Canada there is NO criminal law specifically restricting abortion at any stage, period (but there’s also no criminal law specifically restricting a doctor from removing your brain to cure your headaches either, medical procedures are nor prescribed in criminal law).
 

 

 

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Has it been acknowledged by Canadian Conservatives?  

Yep. It was mentioned when harper was running.

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The rest of us always mention it but it seem conservatives don’t like to talking about it publicly and whenever I mention it in online forums like this one most of you will change the subject. 

I suspect the rest of us is going to turn out to be the voices in your head and we can't actually hear those

And in fact if you take a look online or do a search comparing the two the massive results will be liberals warning that the conservatives are far to the right of democrats and liberals and are dangerous
 

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But it’s funny because in the rest of your post you then go on to completely undermine this statement with a diatribe about how left wing the democrats are . 

But I don't.  What i said was that in many cases democrat policies are similar to our conservative ones.  MANY.  Not all. not even most. 

The ones that differ are the ones that push people to the republicans. And i gave examples.

So once again your back to your playing games with words instead of addressing the points. 

 

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False. 

100 percent true. As long as you exclude the trudeaus. sorry to burst your bubble. 

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1) Canadian Conservatives generally don’t support Republican-style gun policies and tens to mostly support Canadian gun control

Not really. They generally will support some form of training and certification requirement. The vast majority feel the current laws go way too far. And almost none believe the banning one type of gun or another is somehow going to make a difference in the world

 

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2) Republicans don’t support freedom of speech more than Democrats  

They absolutely do
 

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Meanwhile Canadian conservatives have shown they have no problem invoking the notwithstanding clause to bypass the charter of rights and freedoms for passing trivial issues and personal pet theories that don’t even pan out   

No, wherever they've used it they've had a reason to use it and it was a pretty good reason as a rule. And there's very few cases of that. On the flip side the liberals actually declared the emergency act to unlawfully and without excuse squash people's rights to protest and a judge has ruled that to be the case

So you lose  that one hard  
 

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Baloney most Democrat economic policies are similar to or even to the right of mainstream Canadian Conservatives like Harper.  

Not really. For example was there policies that led to the entire subprime mortgage crash and even our liberals would never have done that. They're overspending for example as we saw under Biden his terribly insane and while Trudeau gave them a run for their money previous liberal and conservative governments would never have gone that far. Etc etc

 

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That’s an absolute lie as has been proven repeatedly. 

I'm afraid it is you who are lying. It has been proven many times with specific examples down to dates and names that it has happened. So what happens when we have this discussion every single time is somebody like you or yourself make the ridiculous claim that it never happens and it's a lie. Then proof is provided. Then you switch your argument to  " well i it doesn't' happen often at all, it's rare".

Yeah, rare still means it happens

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Besides abortion in Canada even under conservatives is far more liberal than anything any Democrat has ever proposed.

No it isn't

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In Canada there is NO criminal law specifically restricting abortion at any stage

That is because the industry chose to self-regulate. But the fact that the industry chose to self regulate does not mean that there are no regulations, it just means that the government doesn't feel the need to add additional criminal regulations considering the existing system works.

But go try and get a second or third trimester abortion in Canada and see how it goes for you. If your life's not in danger it's not going to happen. The governments are aware of that, and they're happy with it. And that is far less liberal than what the liberals in the states are proposing
 

 

[BeaverFever]

37 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Yep. It was mentioned when harper was running.

By whom?  Not by him or any other conservative. You must be thinking of the time he acknowledged that most Canadians aren’t as conservative as CPC is are and he hopes the people will shift towards them over time. 
 

39 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

suspect the rest of us is going to turn out to be the voices in your head and we can't actually hear those

Ive set on this very forum many times. Even to you I believe  

 

42 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

'm afraid it is you who are lying. It has been proven many times with specific examples down to dates and names that it has happened. So what happens when we have this discussion every single time is somebody like you or yourself make the ridiculous claim that it never happens and it's a lie. Then proof is provided. Then you switch your argument to  " well i it doesn't' happen often at all, it's rare".

Yeah, rare still means it happens

No, you haven’t provided any proof. Once again you’re trying to gaslight us.  
 

What I said is so extremely rare it statistically doesn’t happen is late term abortions, period, and these are only done in extreme medical emergencies.
 

What doesn’t happen at all is abortions in the birth canal, late-term abortions for frivolous reasons like “bikini season” or a “bad breakup” or euthanizing a baby after its born, all of  which are lies republicans like to repeatedly tell.  
 
 

47 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No it isn't

Yes that’s a fact there are zero laws on abortion even under conservatives. 
 

48 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That is because the industry chose to self-regulate. But the fact that the industry chose to self regulate does not mean that there are no regulations, it just means that the government doesn't feel the need to add additional criminal regulations considering the existing system works.

But go try and get a second or third trimester abortion in Canada and see how it goes for you. If your life's not in danger it's not going to happen. The governments are aware of that, and they're happy with it. And that is far less liberal than what the liberals in the states are proposing

LMAO Seriously dude you are in way over your head.  Like where to even start with this nonsense you are spewing now?

1) First off In the US, Canada and AFAIK all developed countries the medical profession is self-regulating, there no special abortion industry self-regulation in Canada beyond the usual self regulating body for doctors. So for example regardless whether you’re a neurosurgeon or cardiovascular surgeon or a OBGYN who performs abortions you are a member of the Ontario College of Physicians and Surgeons and you can be held accountable for malpractice up to and including losing your license and fines if your practice is not within scientifically accepted standards  

2) Republicans aren’t satisfied with professional self-regulation or abortions simply conducted within medical standards, they want abortions banned outright or at least conducted within their politically contrived limits (e.g. 6 weeks) and they want providers who break those limits CRIMINALLY punished with jail or execution, not just fined and professionally sanctioned 

3) The fact that the US medical profession is already self-regulated in every state is used by pro-choice advocates to argue against the need for any abortion laws  

 

No Democrat has ever proposed that the US  medical profession WHICH IS ALREADY SELF-REGULATING should somehow stop regulating its members who provide abortions  That’s more of your made up nonsense 

 

 

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13 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

By whom?  Not by him or any other conservative. You must be thinking of the time he acknowledged that most Canadians aren’t as conservative as CPC is are and he hopes the people will shift towards them over time. 
 

Ive set on this very forum many times. Even to you I believe  

 

No, you haven’t provided any proof. Once again you’re trying to gaslight us.  
 

What I said is so extremely rare it statistically doesn’t happen is late term abortions, period, and these are only done in extreme medical emergencies.
 

What doesn’t happen at all is abortions in the birth canal, late-term abortions for frivolous reasons like “bikini season” or a “bad breakup” or euthanizing a baby after its born, all of  which are lies republicans like to repeatedly tell.  
 
 

Yes that’s a fact there are zero laws on abortion even under conservatives. 
 

LMAO Seriously dude you are in way over your head.  Like where to even start with this nonsense you are spewing now?

1) First off In the US, Canada and AFAIK all developed countries the medical profession is self-regulating, there no special abortion industry self-regulation in Canada beyond the usual self regulating body for doctors. So for example regardless whether you’re a neurosurgeon or cardiovascular surgeon or a OBGYN who performs abortions you are a member of the Ontario College of Physicians and Surgeons and you can be held accountable for malpractice up to and including losing your license and fines if your practice is not within scientifically accepted standards  

2) Republicans aren’t satisfied with professional self-regulation or abortions simply conducted within medical standards, they want abortions banned outright or at least conducted within their politically contrived limits (e.g. 6 weeks) and they want providers who break those limits CRIMINALLY punished with jail or execution, not just fined and professionally sanctioned 

3) The fact that the US medical profession is already self-regulated in every state is used by pro-choice advocates to argue against the need for any abortion laws  

 

No Democrat has ever proposed that the US  medical profession WHICH IS ALREADY SELF-REGULATING should somehow stop regulating its members who provide abortions  That’s more of your made up nonsense 

 

 

I would not bother taking so much time dissecting what he posts. He never backs his claims up with legitimate sources, and when others prove him wrong, he resorts to childish name calling. 

[CdnFox]

13 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

By whom?  Not by him or any other conservative.

Really. Ok - produce a list of all conservatives and confirm none of them did. 

You're being a dishonest twit again. Hell -I- discussed it with many people and guess what... i'm a conservative. And in those days i was active in the party. 

It was raised and discussed wondering why so called liberals in canada loved obama but thought harper was satan when the two were similar on many points in their platforms. This is specifically 2008 when harper and obama Both had elections so the comparison was kind of in everyone's face. 

And as i noted if you look it's all the LEFT WING papers and think tanks who wrote article after article at the time explaining why they were actually different. 

Now go change your diapers kid. 

Lets hustle through the rest. 

no you've never said it to me and if you did you'd have gotten the same response. This has been discussed to death over the decades and isn't really all that contentious.  Our conservatives are a little right of the dems but left of the republicans. 

And yes not only i but many others have provided tonnes of proof. I"m not interested in your sealioning. It absolutely is a thing.

Whenever you're in over your head, you accuse others of being in over their head   It's amusing  

We do have medical industries in canada. And the regulations are generally set by the health regions.  Did you not know that?

So if you're an ogbyn you will still be subject to the specific regulations of the individual hospital (many have them) as well as the regional health district (sometimes called other things in various provinces) as well as the college. 

Oooopsie  Now you just look stupid   

And in canada the industry has regulated itself. Independant of gov't law they all cap abortions at 3 months for the most part. 

Sorry kid. Now you look like a complete Tard   Like that was REALLY stupid  

We're not talking about republicans or their interests, we're discussing why Canada doesn't have laws

And nobody gives a shit about what's going on with the states as far as this conversation goes, you are just trying to change the conversation because you so badly made an !diot of yourself already.

Let's recap. And it doesn't have abortion laws because the industry self-regulates. Yes we absolutely have a medical industry. Abortions in Canada are capped at 3 months without laws. So the governments have not felt the need to introduce them. This was in response to your claim that our laws were more relaxed than the states. 

 

You're getting to that point in the discussion where you're making bad arguments which makes you angry which makes you make worse arguments and the cycle progresses. See if you can pull out of that nose dive before you crash and burn completely

 

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

No president in living memory would have spoken in public like this about Canada. It’s deeply insulting to a loyal ally of the US and any politician worth their salt would know that. Poilievre was correct to reject it immediately and in the clearest terms possible. He needs to be seen as in no way subservient to an attempt to undermine the credibility of our state. 

Edited January 9 by SpankyMcFarland