Trump's 51st State Troll

[Boges]

I'm sure this is mentioned in other threads, but I don't see a thread ABOUT it. 

This is obviously a troll job. Getting Canadians all worked up. Now he can take credit for JT's resignation.

But why does everything this guy talk about have to be taken seriously. 

Is he going to annex Canada? Make us a singular state? Or treat us fairly and admit each province as their own sub-sovereign territory. PEI gets a congressman and two senators? Quebec can form their own alternative party to screw with their two-party system? 

We know he hasn't thought this through. It's just rhetoric. But I know this site is full of people that support Trump. What do you think the end-game here is? And if you are taking this seriously, how does this get done?  

Edited January 7 by Boges

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

This is obviously a troll job.

Seems like it but given the apparent lack of concern verging on the thumbs up Trump appears to be giving Putin for annexing his neighbors...who really knows for sure. Trump has put in a fair bit of effort at bullying and threatening neighbors and allies alike so it's hard to imagine he won't follow through on something. Where, what and against whom he finally focuses on remains to be be seen he'll finally have to do something if he expects to be taken seriously at all.

[Boges]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Seems like it but given the apparent lack of concern verging on the thumbs up Trump appears to be giving Putin for annexing his neighbors...who really knows for sure. Trump has put in a fair bit of effort at bullying and threatening neighbors and allies alike so it's hard to imagine he won't follow through on something. Where, what and against whom he finally focuses on remains to be be seen he'll finally have to do something if he expects to be taken seriously at all.

I think the Tarifs are coming. But that only proves to hurt the Americans he needed to get elected. 

But he clearly hasn't thought this 51st state thing through all that much. 

[eyeball]

It would be interesting to see the reaction should Canada ask NATO for advice on what would happen in the event an ally attacked another ally.

Does the adage 'an attack on one is like an attack on all' still apply?

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

But he clearly hasn't thought this 51st state thing through all that much.

Perhaps now that Putin has set the modern precedent...

Ever heard of the CoDominium, a science fictional superpower alliance between the US and Russia. Truth as they say is often stranger than fiction.

Jerry Pournelle is the author.

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoDominium

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It would be interesting to see the reaction should Canada ask NATO for advice on what would happen in the event an ally attacked another ally.

Does the adage 'an attack on one is like an attack on all' still apply?

Just asking the question should by rights have Trump back pedalling and claiming he was just kidding in no time. Right?

Would it hurt to even ask or...is that to gauche even for Trump?

[Dougie93]

Trump threatens to use ’economic force’ to make Canada 51st state

Canadian Press

Kelly Geraldine Malone

Published Jan 07, 2025

 

WASHINGTON — U.S. president-elect Donald Trump threatened Tuesday to use “economic force” to make Canada the 51st state and doubled down on his tariff threats as he criticized Canada’s military spending and trade with the United States.

“You get rid of that artificially drawn line and you take a look at what that looks like, and it would also be much better for national security,” Trump said, referring to the border between Canada and the U.S.

“And don’t forget, we basically protect Canada."

Trump mused about that meeting with Trudeau during Tuesday’s news conference and claimed repeatedly that Canada is subsidized by the U.S.

The Republican leader said he asked Trudeau why Canada relied on trade with the United States and suggested the prime minister responded that he didn’t know.

“I can answer it. We are doing it because of habit and we are doing it because we like our neighbours, and we’ve been good neighbours. But we can’t do it forever and it’s a tremendous amount of money,” Trump said.

“I said that’s okay to have if you are a state. But if you are another country, we don’t want to have it,” Trump added, suggesting Canada should become the 51st state.

The president-elect also criticized Canada’s level of military funding and said he told hockey legend Wayne Gretzky to run for prime minister

https://torontosun.com/news/world/donald-trump-says-he-will-go-ahead-with-tariff-threat-against-canada-and-mexico

The Post National State has invited the barbarians to the gates

and there are no British North American United Empire Loyalists left to defend the ramparts

Manifest Destiny has come home to roost upon the ruins of so called "Canada"

" . . .with a whack-rowdy-dow, how are you,  Minstrel Johnny Bull ? We'll settle next with you . . ."

[Boges]

11 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

 

“I can answer it. We are doing it because of habit and we are doing it because we like our neighbours, and we’ve been good neighbours. But we can’t do it forever and it’s a tremendous amount of money,” Trump said.

 

Americans buy Canadian goods out of the kindness of their hearts? And not because it's cheaper? 

Tariff may not make it cheaper anymore, but it'll also make things more expensive for Americans. It'll also make American products much less competitive. 

I know of a top US company in the industry I work in that gets products made in Mexico and shipped to Canada. I wonder what Trump's tariff's will do to them in the Canadian market?

Edited January 7 by Boges

[DUI_Offender]

This is not a troll job. Trump is dead serious about annexing Canada. He will probably apply economic pressure (tariffs, etc), and other means. Today, he is trying to rename the Gulf of Mexico to the "Gulf of America." The guy is not well, and I expect that Musk and Ramaswarmy will be calling the shots. 

[Legato]

Doesn't anyone think it would be prudent to give the reason why Trump threatened tariffs.

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Boges said:

Americans buy Canadian goods out of the kindness of their hearts? And not because it's cheaper? 

Tariff may not make it cheaper anymore, but it'll also make things more expensive for Americans. It'll also make American products much less competitive. 

I know of a top US company in the industry I work in that gets products made in Mexico and shipped to Canada. I wonder what Trump's tariff's will do to them in the Canadian market?

Canada is far more protectionist than America is

Canada imposes plenty of tariffs, 100% tariffs on Chinese EV's just recently

Canada has an absurdly protected market, banning foriegn competition in many sectors

and Canada has supply management mafias which practically run the government

pardon me if I don't shed any tears for this so called "Canada"

simply because it is getting a taste of its own medicine, while absurdly at the same time claiming it to be "poison"

f8ck b!tch whiny hypocritical "Canada" and the Commie Liberal NDP horse it rode in on / shrugs

Edited January 7 by Dougie93

[Boges]

 

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Canada is far more protectionist than America is

Canada imposes plenty of tariffs, 100% tariffs on Chinese EV's just recently

Canada has an absurdly protected market, banning foriegn competition in many sectors

and Canada has supply management mafias which practically run the government

pardon me if I don't shed any tears for this so called "Canada"

simply because it is getting a taste of its own medicine, while absurdly at the same time claiming it to be "poison"

f8ck b!tch whiny hypocritical "Canada" and the Commie Liberal NDP horse it rode in on / shrugs

Sure, but this only proves to make life more expensive for Americans. 

This is a bait and switch on the US electorate. 

Do you think these tariffs are going to drop the price of Big 3 car? 

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

 

Sure, but this only proves to make life more expensive for Americans. 

This is a bait and switch on the US electorate. 

Do you think these tariffs are going to drop the price of Big 3 car? 

Canadians vastly overrate how much the Americans will notice

Canadians vastly underestimate America's willingness to put up with it, when it becomes a fight

softwood lumber is more expensive in America

yet notice how America has relentlessly fought the softwood lumber war for a decade now ?

Americans will pay higher prices, just to force Canada to kneel, make no mistake

in the face of ruinous 25% tariffs across the board ?

Canada will capitulate at the earliest opportunity, Canada would surrender right now it if could

Edited January 7 by Dougie93

[Boges]

10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Canadians vastly overrate how much the Americans will notice

Canadians vastly underestimate America's willingness to put up with it, when it becomes a fight

softwood lumber is more expensive in America

yet notice how America has relentlessly fought the softwood lumber war for a decade now ?

Americans will pay higher prices, just to force Canada to kneel, make no mistake

in the face of ruinous 25% tariffs across the board ?

Canada will capitulate at the earliest opportunity, Canada would surrender right now it if could

Capitulate how? Let itself be annexed? 

I still haven't heard a workable way to annex Canada that doesn't make US a permanently left-wing nation. 

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Capitulate how? Let itself be annexed? 

I still haven't heard a workable way to annex Canada that doesn't make US a permanently left-wing nation. 

well, for the working stiffs, the centre of gravity would be hashing out a deal ;

national security spending for lifting the tariffs

but I actually think the opposite of what liberal Canadians assume

I would assert that Canada has no culture of its own anymore

so rather than America becoming more left wing

what would happen is that Canada would be dragged sharply to the right

[DUI_Offender]

55 minutes ago, Legato said:

Doesn't anyone think it would be prudent to give the reason why Trump threatened tariffs.

Trumps public reasons are different than his private reasons.

 

Trump in public: "We need to impose 25% tariffs, since there is a serious problem with fentanyl smuggling, and illegal migrants crossing the border. We are also tired of subsidising Canada."

(reality: the fentanyl problem is almost non-existent. The amount of illegal migrants is not a serious problem)

 

Trump in private: "We need to annex Canada, to drain their natural resources, especially their oil deposits, and freshwater, as well as important minerals. And of course, we owe Canada $40 billion dollars in trade deficits."

39 minutes ago, Boges said:

Capitulate how? Let itself be annexed? 

I still haven't heard a workable way to annex Canada that doesn't make US a permanently left-wing nation. 

We would be the equivalent of Puerto Rico. We would not be allowed to vote in the US elections, since we would essentially be a US territory. 

[Boges]

11 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

We would be the equivalent of Puerto Rico. We would not be allowed to vote in the US elections, since we would essentially be a US territory. 

Then the only way that happens is with a hostile military take-over.

This time against a peaceful ally. If it wasn't my own country I'd find this entertaining AF. 

He has said 51st state, not a territory. Though this only makes sense with 10 new states. I don't think Trump realizes that Canada is a federation, Is he just going annex Quebec and do away with all their French laws? 
 

Edited January 7 by Boges

[Legato]

5 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Trumps public reasons are different than his private reasons.

 

Your crystal ball has developed a serious flaw.

Try this...

https://www.kullysupply.com/delta-rp3616-crystal-ball-repair-kit?srsltid=AfmBOor_lK4rU7XccM6rPiyO7RS58OLLU31s97PGB_CwXQZLQRWTGebA

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Boges said:

I'm sure this is mentioned in other threads, but I don't see a thread ABOUT it. 

This is obviously a troll job. Getting Canadians all worked up. Now he can take credit for JT's resignation.

But why does everything this guy talk about have to be taken seriously. 

Is he going to annex Canada? Make us a singular state? Or treat us fairly and admit each province as their own sub-sovereign territory. PEI gets a congressman and two senators? Quebec can form their own alternative party to screw with their two-party system? 

We know he hasn't through this through. It's just rhetoric. But I know this site is full of people that support Trump. What do you think the end-game here is? And if you are taking this seriously, how does this get done?  

You have to be at least seven different kinds of stupid not to realize that it's a troll job. Anyone who thinks this is an actual thing needs to get checked for brain worms.

It is so obvious it isn't funny. Trump is going to make Canada a state? Canada, who's right-wing party is actually slightly left of the democrats most of the time? Canada who's "ultra right wing" Prime minister stephen harper's campaign platform was almost word for word identical to Obama's?

And based on population we would get about 52 College seats, similar to California, he's just going to hand that over to the democrats?

There is no universe where trump wants Canada. But he has successfully managed to delude the more simple people that somehow this is something he wants and he's doing it to be disruptive.

I haven't read the other comments yet but I suspect they're going to be an IQ test of who is and isn't intelligent on this board

[Dougie93]

Chinese Communist Quisling Trudeau,

tries to wrap himself in the White Supremacist Settler Colonial Genocidal Post National State flag

No 'snowball's chance in hell,' Trudeau says, after Trump threatens 'economic force' to take Canada

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was quick to counter Trump's assertion in a sharp rebuke on X

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/trump-tariff-threat-canada-mexico

 

 

[herbie]

Boor.
Pitiful that the man pretending to be a leader can't rise above that.

But of course those choosing a rapist liar with a criminal history as leader will overlook being an insensitive lout as a minor transgression.

Edited January 7 by herbie

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, herbie said:

ha ha ha ha ha !

Canadian leftists fancy that they are the Spartans somehow all of a sudden

mind you, the basis of Spartan society was Pederasty ;

so in that case, Canada might have a claim

[DUI_Offender]

3 hours ago, Boges said:

Then the only way that happens is with a hostile military take-over.

This time against a peaceful ally. If it wasn't my own country I'd find this entertaining AF. 

He has said 51st state, not a territory. Though this only makes sense with 10 new states. I don't think Trump realizes that Canada is a federation, Is he just going annex Quebec and do away with all their French laws? 
 

You really think Trump is a rational person? He is not. Nor is he trolling us. He is dead serious about annexing Canada.

The sooner we come to this fact, the better. 

Edited January 8 by DUI_Offender

[CdnFox]

21 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

You really think Trump is a rational person? He is not. Nor is ge trolling us. He is dead serious about snnexing Canada.

The sooner we come to this fact, the better. 

You feel trump is desperate to add about 52 College votes for the democrats to the US.

Honestly kid, we knew you were stupid but even I didn't realize you were sub trump stupid. He's trolling

[Chrissy1979]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

He's trolling

I bet you're too stupid to realize that would be even worse.