Democracy stood - then it went to the third world

[myata]

There's nothing to celebrate here: that was a watershed moment, in the entire two and half century history of American democracy where it crossed the line and boundary on its path to the third world. Shouting bread and circuses is not freedom of expression, not all of it and by far. The right to elect mob boss as the leader of the people is not the whole of functional democracy that also includes integrity, reason, critical thought and responsibility.

Today, democracy in America was failed. It was failed by the political elites, entrenched in their own, partisan interest forgetting all about why they were elected and what were they supposed to serve. Then, people looked at the sad spectacle for a while and finally decided to follow the suit. They failed democracy too. Where and when no one is upholding it any longer, democracy exits.

The line has been crossed and there's no easy coming back from here - I can't even imagine what it could be. No formal rules could fix this - they already failed, all, one by one. What then? Yet another confirmation of the logical and factual truth tested by humankind countless times in the long history. Democracy is not a gift, no heavenly revelation. It's a product of thought and work of free citizens and it will stay only as long as they continue. The torch burns with the thought, will and energy of free, thinking and responsible citizens.

Today, it left America.

Edited January 7, 2025 by myata

[myata]

Let's understand, objectively and factually what we're dealing with here: a near-accomplished degradation, decay of democracy.

1. One part of the political system thinks its perfectly fine to nominate and have as leader an individual showing progressive cognitive decline and hide it by all means from their colleagues and the country. This is Russia stuff, Brezhnev - why less, and nobody thought there could be anything wrong about it, why we have this great democracy and isn't it supposed to just work no matter what we do and throw at it? Just this once?

The other part thought nothing of nominating a pathological liar, failed politician and a convicted felon as the candidate to the leader of the state, formerly in the position of the leader of the free world. Nope, no clue. What could go wrong?

2. The populace (formerly citizenry) that thinks nothing wrong with electing a mob boss if he/she makes the right promises and because it doesn't like the other (only) choice.

3. Justice system is done - if the populace upholds the mob boss he has to be in the right and the justice has to go. All hail the glory.

4. Formal political system deadlocked in extreme ultimate partisanship - no more independent investigations, forget impartiality and integrity all things of the past.

5. Judiciary: on the way, still standing. But will one institution hold the tide, could it even theoretically? No way. This much we already know from history.

The final stage of the decay is on the way. Only factually and objectively. It took entropy 228 years give or take a few to wear down another great democracy. Not bad but neither the best. Another line, in the long and growing list.

[ironstone]

5 hours ago, myata said:

There's nothing to celebrate here: that was a watershed moment, in the entire two and half history of American democracy where it crossed the line and boundary on its path to the third world. Shouting bread and circuses is not freedom of expression, not all of it and by far. The right to elect mob boss as the leader of the people is not the whole of functional democracy that also includes integrity, reason, critical thought and responsibility.

Today, democracy in America was failed. It was failed by the political elites, entrenched in their own, partisan interest forgetting all about why they were elected and what were they supposed to serve. Then, people looked at the sad spectacle for a while and finally decided to follow the suit. They failed democracy too. Where and when no one is upholding it any longer, democracy exits.

The line has been crossed and there's no easy coming back from here - I can't even imagine what it could be. No formal rules could fix this - they already failed, all, one by one. What then? Yet another confirmation of the logical and factual truth tested by humankind countless times in the long history. Democracy is not a gift, no heavenly revelation. It's a product of thought and work of free citizens and it will stay only as long as they continue. The torch burns with the thought, will and energy of free, thinking and responsible citizens.

Today, it left America.

Democracy seems to fail in America only when the Democrats lose.

[Nationalist]

32 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Democracy seems to fail in America only when the Democrats lose.

Meh...

@myata is overcome with disappointment over seeing his hated foe be ushered in as POTUS. On January 20th he'll need constant monitoring to keep him from committing suicide. And I'm afraid his mental instability is-a-gonna get worse.

See...the Democrats have p1ssed off a lot of people. Poor old @myata is gonna have to watch his heros fall one by one with legal problems. None of them are immune. He and the other Libbies will howl and whine like never before but, as they have said on countless occasions...

"It's the law!"

Enjoy the show...

[Deluge]

7 hours ago, myata said:

There's nothing to celebrate here: that was a watershed moment, in the entire two and half history of American democracy where it crossed the line and boundary on its path to the third world. Shouting bread and circuses is not freedom of expression, not all of it and by far. The right to elect mob boss as the leader of the people is not the whole of functional democracy that also includes integrity, reason, critical thought and responsibility.

Today, democracy in America was failed. It was failed by the political elites, entrenched in their own, partisan interest forgetting all about why they were elected and what were they supposed to serve. Then, people looked at the sad spectacle for a while and finally decided to follow the suit. They failed democracy too. Where and when no one is upholding it any longer, democracy exits.

The line has been crossed and there's no easy coming back from here - I can't even imagine what it could be. No formal rules could fix this - they already failed, all, one by one. What then? Yet another confirmation of the logical and factual truth tested by humankind countless times in the long history. Democracy is not a gift, no heavenly revelation. It's a product of thought and work of free citizens and it will stay only as long as they continue. The torch burns with the thought, will and energy of free, thinking and responsible citizens.

Today, it left America.

Poor comrade myata.

Democracy died the minute the democrats weaponized our legal system against their political opponent, Donald Trump. 

Thank God our Constitutional Republic is still intact. 

Edited January 7, 2025 by Deluge

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, ironstone said:

Democracy seems to fail in America only when the Democrats lose.

Projection much?

“If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”

David Frum.

[Deluge]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Projection much?

“If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”

David Frum.

Good Americans reject straight democracy, which is what democrats are fighting for. 

Thank God we have a constitutional republic. 

[User]

Short version: 

The person I voted for lost. 

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

*breath*

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Black Dog]

4 hours ago, ironstone said:

Democracy seems to fail in America only when the Democrats lose.

You c*nts spent the last four years whining about stolen elections and a rigged system but as soon as you squeak out a win, everything's fine.

22 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Good Americans reject straight democracy, which is what democrats are fighting for. 

Thank God we have a constitutional republic. 

I love when people say this, it means you can immediately dismiss everything they have to say about anything at all.

[Deluge]

4 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

You c*nts spent the last four years whining about stolen elections and a rigged system but as soon as you squeak out a win, everything's fine.

I love when people say this, it means you can immediately dismiss everything they have to say about anything at all.

That's because the US is not a straight democracy. So when a mob loving psychopath screams "DEEEEEMOOOOOCRACYYYYYY!!!!" you know that you can disagree with every f*cking thing that comes out of his stupid face. 

It's easy.  

Edited January 7, 2025 by Deluge

[ironstone]

17 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

You c*nts

Nasty. Typical leftist rage rears its ugly head yet again.

 

17 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

but as soon as you squeak out a win, everything's fine.

You have a capacity for understatement. The election results were not exactly the definition of 'squeak out a win'.

[Black Dog]

3 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Nasty. Typical leftist rage rears its ugly head yet again.

You have a capacity for understatement. The election results were not exactly the definition of 'squeak out a win'.

One of the smallest popular vote margins in modern history, but go off.

[User]

24 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

You c*nts spent the last four years whining about stolen elections and a rigged system but as soon as you squeak out a win, everything's fine.

Trump soundly beat Harris. Nothing was squeaked out. He won every battleground state and a large majority of the Electoral votes. 

 

Just now, Black Dog said:

One of the smallest popular vote margins in modern history, but go off.

That is not how the Presidency is won. 

 

[myata]

5 hours ago, ironstone said:

Democracy seems to fail in America only when the Democrats lose.

Poor eyesight? Challenged comprehension? Let's see:

The right to elect mob boss as the leader ...

This is a fact now. The precedent, set for generations or until the system is remade which is as far as one could see, never. What's to not see? How, to not understand?

[gatomontes99]

First they tried to fake foreign ties.

Then they tried to impeach him to hide their transgressions.

Then they tried to arrest him in banana republic style justice.

Then they tried to remove him from the ballot.

Then they tried to kill him by not properly securing his events.

He won and democracy failed? No. Democracy won. Democrat party, authoritarianism lost.

[myata]

We will now have to wait for the release of the subversion case report. A president who allegedly tried to subvert a democratic election, that's a story strait out of the newsfeed of a common third-world "democracy".

But remember: there's nothing here we didn't know. It was a conscious and deliberate choice.

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

One of the smallest popular vote margins in modern history, but go off.

Go cut yourself in a designated safe space. I suspect there are still a lot of those around.  

8 minutes ago, myata said:

We will now have to wait for the release of the subversion case report. A president who allegedly tried to subvert a democratic election, that's a story strait out of the newsfeed of a common third-world "democracy".

But remember: there's nothing here we didn't know. It was a conscious and deliberate choice.

TDS is all we've got.... all we've got... SIGH

-- The left

[myata]

No denying the obvious: presidents subverting democratic elections is one of the most common stories in the third world politics. This is what it looks. This is what it is.

[gatomontes99]

16 minutes ago, myata said:

No denying the obvious: presidents subverting democratic elections is one of the most common stories in the third world politics. This is what it looks. This is what it is.

Yes, but she lost. Both she's.

[myata]

Pretending dumb won't fix anything and couldn't get America out of this conundrum it decided to put itself in. Entropy works in one direction. And it means, with certainty that the next precedent will be worse.

[ironstone]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Poor eyesight? Challenged comprehension? Let's see:

The right to elect mob boss as the leader ...

Mob boss?

Did you express any concerns when the son of the current president was shaking down high level foreign officials for cash?

[Deluge]

35 minutes ago, myata said:

No denying the obvious: presidents subverting democratic elections is one of the most common stories in the third world politics. This is what it looks. This is what it is.

The "obvious" is election rigging and election interference of which both the democrats are guilty. 

You really need to stop projecting, comrade.  

[gatomontes99]

15 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Mob boss?

Did you express any concerns when the son of the current president was shaking down high level foreign officials for cash?

The left:

🙉 Lalalalalalalalalalalalalal 🙉

[Legato]

22 minutes ago, myata said:

Pretending dumb won't fix anything 

Then please stop.

[Legato]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Projection much?

“If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”

David Frum.

If democrats become convinced that they cannot win fairly, they will abandon democracy. They will reject honour an truthfulness and institute full blown lawfare against their opponents.

Anyonewithtwoworkingsynapses