City voters in Canada leaning right as they lose faith in their go-to political picks

[CdnFox]

City voters in Canada leaning right as they lose faith in their go-to political picks - The Globe and Mail

 

Ruh roh.  

Even the last bastions of the libs and ndp are looking pretty shakey next election. 

Even liberal and ndp voters just staying at home will mean a number of urban CPC victories. 

People have realized, vote woke go broke. 

[Venandi]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

People have realized, vote woke go broke. 

I sure hope so but I wonder if it's too early to assert that in terms of a longterm view. I get the short term one but fear it's mostly driven by economic concerns and thus  transient as a result.  

The woke crowd are only beginning to feel the impact of the policies they previously voted for and maybe it's just too early for that pain to translate into an appropriate cause and effect aversion.  Lot's of economic and safety related examples but my favourite (and the most glaring one of all IMO) is that it took years and far too many deaths for them to realize that it isn't duck hunters shooting up their streets and grand fathers with pocket knives stabbing them on the bus. 

Good Lord, this took sooooooo much longer to hoist aboard than I thought it would and it's the reason I wonder if there's been a lasting change of heart or if the woke virus will simply mutate and return in full force 5 years from now.

In short, I'd rather see the pain last another four years, create an indelible aversion and be completely done with it than usher in an era of ruinous oscillations of cyclical madness. 

I'd love to be wrong, but I fear people aren't truly over it yet... not that this forum is relevant in any way, but clearly Herb and a few others here still want more... what if they set up a breeding program? And not that it actually translates to seats, but some 40% (or so) of the popular vote will still go to Liberals, NDP, and the Bloc... it makes me wonder just what it will take. 

These guys haven't had a change of heart:

They will ride a horse until it dies... then they'll eat it.

Edited December 29, 2024 by Venandi

[Aristides]

Not leaning to the right so much as tired of Trudeau. 

[Venandi]

22 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Not leaning to the right so much as tired of Trudeau. 

That's what I'm afraid of.

It takes experience to know (for sure) what you don't want, and mindfulness to recognize the symptoms of its approach. As a society we seem to lack both qualities and have embarked on a series of social experiments that will take a decade (or more) to repair. 

Police and military manning come instantly to mind as an example of the easiest things to fix... but even if we started today and worked hard at that, it can't be done in less than 7-10 years.

And we won't be starting today...

Edited December 29, 2024 by Venandi

[Michael Hardner]

22 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Not leaning to the right so much as tired of Trudeau. 

Toronto is tired of Trudeau but has embraced an NDP mayor - 59% approval.  Maybe because she has promised a moritorium on evictions.

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2024/07/11/mayor-olivia-chow-enjoys-strong-support-one-year-into-her-term/

[NAME REMOVED]

27 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Not leaning to the right so much as tired of Trudeau. 

I'm convinced that Canadian sovereignty, and dealing with Trump will be a huge election issue.  Canada is in need of a leader, who is tough but patriotic enough to help fuse the country together, and stand up to American interests. The only PM in my lifetime that would have qualified in the matter, would have been Jean Chretien. 

 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

I'm convinced that Canadian sovereignty, and dealing with Trump will be a huge election issue.  Canada is in need of a leader, who is tough but patriotic enough to help fuse the country together, and stand up to American interests. The only PM in my lifetime that would have qualified in the matter, would have been Jean Chretien. 

 

Okay, but I continue to be intrigued with a political machinations around such things. We also had an acknowledgment from an Auntie – Trudeau type that the mcusa negotiations did not have a lasting impact on us. 

 

I hope the new PM is up to it. I have faith! 

 

@Moonlight Graham sorry another Poilievre post, pro, I should try to hide my biases.

Edited December 29, 2024 by Michael Hardner

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, Venandi said:

I sure hope so but I wonder if it's too early to assert that in terms of a longterm view. I get the short term one but fear it's mostly driven by economic concerns and thus  transient as a result.  

The woke crowd are only beginning to feel the impact of the policies they previously voted for and maybe it's just too early for that pain to translate into an appropriate cause and effect aversion.  Lot's of economic and safety related examples but my favourite (and the most glaring one of all IMO) is that it took years and far too many deaths for them to realize that it isn't duck hunters shooting up their streets and grand fathers with pocket knives stabbing them on the bus. 

Good Lord, this took sooooooo much longer to hoist aboard than I thought it would and it's the reason I wonder if there's been a lasting change of heart or if the woke virus will simply mutate and return in full force 5 years from now.

In short, I'd rather see the pain last another four years, create an indelible aversion and be completely done with it than usher in an era of ruinous oscillations of cyclical madness. 

I'd love to be wrong, but I fear people aren't truly over it yet... not that this forum is relevant in any way, but clearly Herb and a few others here still want more... what if they set up a breeding program? And not that it actually translates to seats, but some 40% (or so) of the popular vote will still go to Liberals, NDP, and the Bloc... it makes me wonder just what it will take. 

These guys haven't had a change of heart:

They will ride a horse until it dies... then they'll eat it.

Obviously only time will tell but it's worth noting that after the last Trudeau left people feeling a similar way the conservatives ran on good fiscal management for two terms and correction only one because he promised to out conservative the conservatives. 

Also this dragged on for a long time. Usually what happens is people don't think about politics too much until an election and then they decide they really don't like the incumbent and they're going to get rid of them. So the entire amount of time they spend is liking him isn't that big and generally it doesn't run that deep.

In this case it's a little different. People have been getting more and more angry with him as time goes on, the frustration level is through the roof and it's been that way for quite a while and the most frustrated are the younger people who've been that way for well over a year.  They blame the liberals for their situation and have for quite some time.  And even after the libs are gone the damage will continue to affect their lives for a while. 

So i think that'll be burnt into their brains a little more than normal. They'll probably have bad memories of this for quite some time. 

Eventually they'll move to the right and try to claim that somehow they're the party of fiscal responsibility but if PP plays his cards right he might well get three wins out of it before it's over for him.

 

[herbie]

How do you even define left and right in municipal politics?
Pro-development vs pro-people?

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Aristides said:

Not leaning to the right so much as tired of Trudeau. 

Definitely leaning right and the poles are definitely suggesting that. There's absolutely no doubt that a lot of people especially younger people are realizing that government policy is based on ideology rather than practical considerations leads to ruin. They're not only turning away from the liberals but they're also turning away from the NDP. 

If polievre can deliver for them and plays his cards right it could be a generation before people are fooled by the left again.  The libs will have to go blue liberal to become relevant again and i'm not sure that anyone will be willing to risk even that for 2 elections for sure, probably 3. 

[CdnFox]

26 minutes ago, herbie said:

How do you even define left and right in municipal politics?
Pro-development vs pro-people?

Right because people don't need "development" to live, who wants all those homes and businesses cluttering up the place, amiright? 

Sometimes i wonder what kind of head injury you need to have to think like you do. 

On a municipal level there's still quite a bit of left and right.  Do we waste money on 'rainbow flag bike lane painting' to make gay bikers feel more included (seriously, real thing in vancouver) or do we focus spending on core concerns to keep taxes lower. How will homeless encampments be handled?  Should "Safe injection" sites be allowed? etc etc. 

[herbie]

So clearly you're one of those brain dead that thinks sexual identity is a political issue of the left as are clean parks, bike lanes, recycling and green spaces.
Limited mind looking at the world thru a toilet paper tube no doubt?

[Legato]

1 minute ago, herbie said:

So clearly you're one of those brain dead that thinks sexual identity is a political issue of the left as are clean parks, bike lanes, recycling and green spaces.
Limited mind looking at the world thru a toilet paper tube no doubt?

How's your myopia?

[CdnFox]

Just now, herbie said:

So clearly you're one of those brain dead that thinks sexual identity is a political issue of the left as are clean parks,

Awww muffin, did you getting your nose rubbed in your own stupidity make you cranky?

 Sexual identity is ABSOLUTELY a political issue, and the dems in the states made it a big one for their campaign. (didn't go so well, but that's beside the point). 

However, even when the topic itself isn't being politicized how you allocate resources to it is.  For example, people can argue whether trans should use the same bathroom as their sex or should they use the bathroom of their gender, but a municipality can consider whether to solve the issue for both sides by converting sex specific bathrooms to unisex stalls....  IF that's where they think the money is best spent. 

Clean parks may or may not be an issue but a homeless encampment is DEFINITELY an issue.  It's unsafe, unsanitary and it denies the use of public space to others, and there's liabilities.  So. How do you handle it?

These are real issues.  But of course being a butthurt leftie you're more concerned about appearing wrong than you are about being right.  

Which is why this country is in such a mess in the first place. 

[Moonlight Graham]

 

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Toronto is tired of Trudeau but has embraced an NDP mayor - 59% approval.  Maybe because she has promised a moritorium on evictions.

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2024/07/11/mayor-olivia-chow-enjoys-strong-support-one-year-into-her-term/

She's going to red-pill the entire city.

[herbie]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

being a butthurt leftie

Displaying your limited intellect thinking it is intelligence again? A few bucks under the table from a land developer beats a rainbow crosswalk any day, eh? Your idea of "right" that you foolish believe is the same word as "correct"?

FFS you're proof some mules so stubborn 100 whacks with a 2x4 doesn't help, some horses so timid they're afraid to look without blinders on.

[Michael Hardner]

43 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

 

She's going to red-pill the entire city.

Hott..

 

[Nefarious Banana]

6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

 

She's going to red-pill the entire city.

Buffy Sainte-Marie ?

herbie?

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

 

She's going to red-pill the entire city.

If you mean they're likely to take cyanide after seeing that, quite possibly   

Joking aside, Mike mentioned the 55 percent approval rating, but failed to mention she was at 75 percent when she took office just over a year ago. 

Even with her the shine is wearing off of the left of center agenda. She won no friends with her anti sematic stances and people aren't excited about higher taxes and such. 

As her term continues and we see less results for more taxes i suspect it'll continue to drop.  But that's a massive drop in the first year, like REALLY huge.  Mike wants to present that as somehow positive but a 20 point drop in a year is bad news for a politician. 

 

[Radiorum]

The movement to the right in Canada has absolutely nothing to do with some sort of "anti-woke" agenda. Those issues considered "woke" - for example MAID, abortion, and transgenders rights - have all been settled in Canada. 

The movement to the right is 100% about economic issues, especially affordability of housing.

[CdnFox]

27 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

The movement to the right in Canada has absolutely nothing to do with some sort of "anti-woke" agenda.

It absolutely does and pulling and discussions with the younger people make that crystal clear

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Those issues considered "woke" - for example MAID, abortion, and transgenders rights - have all been settled in Canada. 

Not even close. Abortion is pretty much put to bed but made in transgender rights are front and center and have played a role in the last few provincial elections as well. New provincial laws are coming into place and even Poilievre has commented on the need to secure the rights of parents. As we speak cases will be going before the supreme court to address whether or not towns and municipalities must be forced to participate in pride events.

I'm sure in your mind is settled. But frankly the kind of rhetoric and personal attacks on the rights of others from yourself and people like you Keep the issue alive and well for many Canadians. It was only a year ago we had hundreds of thousands of people marching in children stomping on gay flags in the street.

But it's even more than that. People are sick of spending hundreds of millions of dollars to fund diversity programs in other countries. They are sick to death of gun buybacks that do nothing but increase the number of homicides by gun and cost insane amounts of money. They are fed up with supporting left-wing propaganda media sites with tax dollars.

And they are fed up with the insane borrowing That is going to leave them broke and serviceless in the future and they realize that the woke ideology of eating the rich has turned out to be an unmitigated disaster as the rich are fleeing and our tax base goes down

 

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The movement to the right is 100% about economic issues, especially affordability of housing.

Economics plays a huge role. But at the end of the day all things are economics. Borrowing money against our children's future to fund diversity programs in Africa is still an economic issue because it will be those children that will have to pay either for a higher taxes or reduced services.

Bringing in unreasonable amounts of immigrants and insane amounts of refugees is a woke ideology but it has an economic impact. All woke ideology winds up having an economic impact. So if you're worried about the economic impact then you have to be worried about the woke.

And don't even get me started on the carbon tax. And so on and so on

People are waking up if you'll pardon the pun to the realization that having the government focus on anything other than his core responsibilities most of which are economic and ignoring the woke nonsense that governments have been participating in is the only way that they can have financial prosperity.

[Radiorum]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

children stomping on gay flags in the street.

Well, this is sad to hear. Hate is not a constructive or productive activity. But, anyways, I think the most Poilievre will do is ban transgender women from competing in women's sports. And I think this is fair, as a transgender woman does have a physical advantage over a cisgender woman.

As far as bathrooms are concerned, this is an easy fix. We just need bathrooms with individual rooms containing a toilet and a sink. We already have restaurants like that. This is the way of the future.

13 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

People are sick of spending hundreds of millions of dollars to fund diversity programs in other countries.

Canada is not spending hundreds of millions of dollars on this. And what countries do you mean?

This money that you say is being used for DEI is actually being used for research - but with a goal of greater representation from under-represented groups. I think the diverse perspectives will serve the research.

 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

Well, this is sad to hear. Hate is not a constructive or productive activity.

True, I am against teaching kids to hate but this is what happens when there's a backlash. An overreaction in one direction always leads to an overreaction in the other direction

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But, anyways, I think the most Poilievre will do is ban transgender women from competing in women's sports. And I think this is fair, as a transgender woman does have a physical advantage over a cisgender woman.

He's already stated clearly just the other day that he will also ban biological males from serving their time in women's prisons. They will have to serve their time in men's prisons and vice versa. And I think we will see the reversal of some of the speech laws as well.

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As far as bathrooms are concerned, this is an easy fix. We just need bathrooms with individual rooms containing a toilet and a sink. We already have restaurants like that. This is the way of the future.

That doesn't resolve existing structures.  Doesn't address showers at pools and such either. 

And it does cost more money.  Given the behavior of some of the 'trans activists' here and their utter hypocricy and insistance that they can call me whatever insulting term they want while insisting i have to respect their gender identity, how much do YOU think i'm going to support actually spending money on trans people moving forward?

And i suspect there's a lot more like me.  I have always been very tolerant and supported modest costs if it helped, but more and more as i watch the hypocrisy of the trans people and their insistence  that this should be a confrontational relationship where one of us has to give up our rights rather than work things out i'm more inclined to be deliberately unreasonable. If they have mental health issues they can fix it on their own dime. 

 

 

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Canada is not spending hundreds of millions of dollars on this. And what countries do you mean?

They are. In fact the news stories were just in the paper the other day. I think I posted some of them on one of these threads. You can find it yourself quite easily. This dozens of little programs for dei and trans awareness funding in Africa and other nations. I suspect the money is going mostly into the pockets of friends of the liberals but we are spending the money. You can do your own research but the fact that you didn't know this shows that you are not entirely up to speed on the issue.

 

This money that you say is being used for DEI is actually being used for research - but with a goal of greater representation from under-represented groups. I think the diverse perspectives will serve the research.

 

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Well, this is sad to hear. Hate is not a constructive or productive activity. But, anyways, I think the most Poilievre will do is ban transgender women from competing in women's sports. And I think this is fair, as a transgender woman does have a physical advantage over a cisgender woman.

As far as bathrooms are concerned, this is an easy fix. We just need bathrooms with individual rooms containing a toilet and a sink. We already have restaurants like that. This is the way of the future.

Canada is not spending hundreds of millions of dollars on this. And what countries do you mean?

This money that you say is being used for DEI is actually being used for research - but with a goal of greater representation from under-represented groups. I think the diverse perspectives will serve the research.

 

 

Here:

Advice to left: Anger is real and politics of joy is dead

[Moonlight Graham]

9 hours ago, Radiorum said:

The movement to the right in Canada has absolutely nothing to do with some sort of "anti-woke" agenda. Those issues considered "woke" - for example MAID, abortion, and transgenders rights - have all been settled in Canada. 

The movement to the right is 100% about economic issues, especially affordability of housing.

Settled according to who?  Do you have polls?

Abortion is long settled yes, and I doubt PP touches it (Harper didn't), but they've bungled MAID and society is still working through trans rights.  I'd love to see polls of Canadians about modern social issues including "woke" policies.

But yes obviously the economy/affordability is the biggest issue, maybe healthcare too.  And PP himself isn't that popular according to polls.