Liberal cabinet ministers meet with Trump's team while Parliament and Canadians lose confidence in government

[blackbird]

This is not a good situation for Canadians.  Most Canadians and Parliament have lost confidence in the Canadian government and the PM.

How can Canadians trust the cabinet ministers who are representing Canada in dealing with the Trump team under such circumstances?

This is a bad situation.  We really need an election ASAP so that Canadians have confidence in and can trust their government in dealing with Trump and his team.

[herbie]

According to your headline, you think govt should just stop because people don't like them?
Or should PP have sent a delegation just to be like the Heinous Anus himself and hold talks with foreign govt when he isn't even on office yet either.
Be a Canadian and gripe they went grovelling to him and not the real President.

[Legato]

16 minutes ago, herbie said:

Be a Canadian and gripe they went grovelling to him and not the real President.

Pelosi declined.

[herbie]

As opposed to Elon's puppet?

[Nefarious Banana]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

According to your headline, you think govt should just stop because people don't like them?
Be a Canadian and gripe they went grovelling to him and not the real President.

Calm down angerboy . . . it'll be all over for your clown soon. 

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, herbie said:

According to your headline, you think govt should just stop because people don't like them?D

Absolutely. If Trudeau had even a shred of integrity it would never have gotten to this stage, but here we are and a country cannot function with a government that it has no faith in.

5 hours ago, herbie said:

Or should PP have sent a delegation just to be like the Heinous Anus himself and hold talks with foreign govt when he isn't even on office yet either.

Nope. Not until he's won the election. But the liberals have absolutely no mandated at this point to represent Canada

[betsy]

The Conservatives will force a non-confidence motion this January.   Ms Rempel explains how.

 

 

 

 

 

 

If all goes according to the Conservatives' plan, MPs in the House of Commons could be voting on a motion of non-confidence in Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's government as early as Jan. 30.

In a letter posted to X on Friday, Conservative MP John Williamson, who chairs the standing committee on public accounts, said the committee will meet on Jan. 7 to consider a motion of non-confidence
in the government.

Williamson said he will introduce the result of the committee's non-confidence vote to the House on Jan. 27, when Parliament returns from its six-week winter break.
If the motion passes, this opens the door for all MPs to debate a non-confidence motion in the House as early as Jan. 30.



"The NDP is prepared to support a committee-level non-confidence statement that describes how the Liberals let Canadians down," NDP House Leader Peter Julian said in a statement on Friday.

"In the past non-confidence motions passed at committee have not worked, so we will be ready with our own motion of non-confidence.

Nothing guarantees Williamson's move will survive committee or pass in a final vote, and Singh could opt to instead wait for the NDP's own opportunity to craft the wording over the key vote,
then try to claim credit for toppling the government should his motion pass.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-non-confidence-1.7419297

Edited December 28, 2024 by betsy

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, betsy said:

The Conservatives will force a non-confidence motion this January.   Ms Rempel explains how.

 

 

 

 

 

 

If all goes according to the Conservatives' plan, MPs in the House of Commons could be voting on a motion of non-confidence in Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's government as early as Jan. 30.

In a letter posted to X on Friday, Conservative MP John Williamson, who chairs the standing committee on public accounts, said the committee will meet on Jan. 7 to consider a motion of non-confidence
in the government.

Williamson said he will introduce the result of the committee's non-confidence vote to the House on Jan. 27, when Parliament returns from its six-week winter break.
If the motion passes, this opens the door for all MPs to debate a non-confidence motion in the House as early as Jan. 30.



"The NDP is prepared to support a committee-level non-confidence statement that describes how the Liberals let Canadians down," NDP House Leader Peter Julian said in a statement on Friday.

"In the past non-confidence motions passed at committee have not worked, so we will be ready with our own motion of non-confidence.

Nothing guarantees Williamson's move will survive committee or pass in a final vote, and Singh could opt to instead wait for the NDP's own opportunity to craft the wording over the key vote,
then try to claim credit for toppling the government should his motion pass.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-non-confidence-1.7419297

Well i'm sure Jagmeet's sphincter just went into lock-down  

But unfortunately Justin will likely prorogue parliament and it won't be going back in January.  I'm afraid it's a great idea but it's unlikely to be given a chance to work. 

[herbie]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Nope. Not until he's won the election. But the liberals have absolutely no mandated at this point to represent Canada

Simple fact is they DO until proven they don't by an election. And that Justin really doesn't give a damn about your opinion or anyone else who doesn't vote Liberal, nor should he. They're people are the ones who must tell him to leave if they want the slightest chance to govern after that.
The rantings and ravings of people who are never ever going to vote Liberal anyway is meaningless.

Edited December 28, 2024 by herbie

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

Simple fact is they DO until proven they don't by an election.

Simple fact is they don't if they don't have the confidence of the house. That's the way our system works. The three major other parties have all indicated that they have no confidence in this government and wish for a vote to prove it. They have provided documentation to that effect.

Until he  disproves them by holding a vote and surviving it He has absolutely no mandate to govern

Sorry pal. I know you're crying about the end of the woke era but sadly this guy has no mandate and no authority morally to lead the Canadian people. He should cease his confidence vote and either survive it or be done for resign. In any case what he will do is attempt to avoid that and shield himself from the reality by proroguing parliament.

He is trash, his party is trash, the NDP is trash for propping up his trash party, and your trash for trying to protect him and defend his absolutely indefensible actions.

[herbie]

Simplest fact is they DO have the confidence of the house until it's voted otherwise. Despite your belief that your claims and wishes are reality. So give up writhing and squealing on the carpet like a 5 year old having a tantrum and wait for it.

[Gaétan]

On 12/27/2024 at 7:35 PM, blackbird said:

This is not a good situation for Canadians.  Most Canadians and Parliament have lost confidence in the Canadian government and the PM.

How can Canadians trust the cabinet ministers who are representing Canada in dealing with the Trump team under such circumstances?

This is a bad situation.  We really need an election ASAP so that Canadians have confidence in and can trust their government in dealing with Trump and his team.

Trump doesn't like Poilievre either because he is cruel.

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, herbie said:

Simplest fact is they DO have the confidence of the house until it's voted otherwise.

I know that you on the left believe firmly that repeating a lie makes it true. It does not

Truest Fact is they don't have the confidence of the house and that has been said by the house in writing. The vote is the process which ends the existence of the current government via the governor general, but it is not the act that extinguishes the confidence of the house.

Three party leaders, a majority of the seats in the house of parliament, have specifically stated they have no confidence in the current government. Therefore they do  not have the confidence of the house. That's how that works. Hell, the current leader doesn't even have the confidence of the second in command and finance minister and she made that clear in her letter.

They can't remove him until a confidence vote but that does not mean they have confidence in the gov't. 

His father knew that and had the decency to take his walk in the snow.  If your hero had even a drop of decency he'd have already resigned or called an election. Instead he'll try to block the formal process for ending his government even tho he has been informed he does not have the confidence of the house by the other party leaders. 

Is there nothing you lefties won't lie about?

Edited December 29, 2024 by CdnFox

[blackbird]

Simplest fact is the leaders of the three opposition parties now say they do not have confidence in the government.  That means when a vote is held, the government will be defeated in a non-confidence motion.  However, since the three parties now have no confidence in the government, the fact remains that the government no longer has the confidence of Parliament because they are a minority and the three parties are the majority.  The government should do the decent thing and face it by recalling Parliament and accepting the outcome.

[betsy]

OH, BOY!

Well -  now that Jagmeet Singh's pension is quite a well-known subject.......

...............................I suppose Singh doesn't dare come out to say he will lie again, and won't back Poilievre's plan to bring down the government.


Instead, he has Angus to say it for him.


 

NDP MP says he won't play Poilievre's 'procedural games' to bring down Trudeau

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/ndp-mp-says-he-wont-play-poilievres-procedural-games-to-bring-down-trudeau/ar-AA1wIgBQ

So, we know what to expect from the NDP.




Canadians are hurting, and something dire is coming this way...................... soon.

I hope Jagmeet Singh would stop playing games.

Edited December 31, 2024 by betsy

[CdnFox]

13 hours ago, betsy said:

OH, BOY!

Well -  now that Jagmeet Singh's pension is quite a well-known subject.......

...............................I suppose Singh doesn't dare come out to say he will lie again, and won't back Poilievre's plan to bring down the government.


Instead, he has Angus to say it for him.


 

NDP MP says he won't play Poilievre's 'procedural games' to bring down Trudeau

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/ndp-mp-says-he-wont-play-poilievres-procedural-games-to-bring-down-trudeau/ar-AA1wIgBQ

So, we know what to expect from the NDP.




Canadians are hurting, and something dire is coming this way...................... soon.

I hope Jagmeet Singh would stop playing games.

I'm sure he went to pucker level 5 when he heard Polievre was going to try and bring the vote in ahead of february    But at the end of the day i think he already knows justin will prorogue parliament which will unfortunately kill that regardless. 

If justin doesn't want to do that he'll likely call the election himself and jaggers won't get a say anyway so no point in protesting it happening early at this point.   

[Army Guy]

On 12/28/2024 at 5:38 PM, herbie said:

Simple fact is they DO until proven they don't by an election. And that Justin really doesn't give a damn about your opinion or anyone else who doesn't vote Liberal, nor should he. They're people are the ones who must tell him to leave if they want the slightest chance to govern after that.
The rantings and ravings of people who are never ever going to vote Liberal anyway is meaningless.

I think once elected he represents all Canadians, i could be wrong..... maybe the rules are different for the liberals....including those that did not vote for him, and I'm sure if an election is called early....Canadians of all strips will be voting for anything but a Liberal or NDP government....with the bloc making up the official opposition....That's what the liberal /ndp parties will be regulated to nothing more than bush leaguers....

[betsy]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I'm sure he went to pucker level 5 when he heard Polievre was going to try and bring the vote in ahead of february    But at the end of the day i think he already knows justin will prorogue parliament which will unfortunately kill that regardless. 

If justin doesn't want to do that he'll likely call the election himself and jaggers won't get a say anyway so no point in protesting it happening early at this point.   

 

.....or, Justin and Singh are secretly communicating.  

 

Singh could try to continue to prop up Trudeau for as long as he can....................in exchange for something.   Singh is afraid of an election, not only in fear for his pension, but also as to where they are actually in the polls. 

 

Angus' statement regarding Poilievre, might be a way of setting  the stage for that scenario.

 

 

 

Edited January 1 by betsy

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, betsy said:

 

.....or, Justin and Singh are secretly communicating.  

Well there's nothing secret about it, the three parties are constantly in communication over a number of issues behind the scenes. There is no doubt that all of the parties are feeling out the other parties on a number of issues

8 hours ago, betsy said:

Singh could try to continue to prop up Trudeau for as long as he can....................in exchange for something.   Singh is afraid of an election, not only in fear for his pension, but also as to where they are actually in the polls. 

He could of course but that would be a tough row to hoe after he just released an official letter stating he's going to bring down the government at the first possible opportunity.

Here's the problem for him. Historically whenever you have these supply arrangements by the time the election rolls around the junior partner in these arrangements almost always gets absolutely pummeled. They tend to do very badly.

And if the government is not popular they tend to wind up taking ownership of that government and his actions because they were the ones that propped it up. So any hatred tends to bleed over to them.

So Jaggers has to bow out of that arrangement before the next election is forced on him and he has to do it in such a way that he looks like he separating himself from that government to minimize how much he'll be associated with it.

And right now the liberals are doing worse than him. He has at least a chance to pick up some of their vote possibly. He's got to make a move at some point, scary or not he can't afford to be seen to be propping up the libs or he could wind up losing even more seats and nearly wiping his party out. 

 

[betsy]

 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

He could of course but that would be a tough row to hoe after he just released an official letter stating he's going to bring down the government at the first possible opportunity.

An opportunity that will come before he qualifies for his pension.

Of course we all know how vindictive Trudeau can be when he's been jilted. If he quit right now he could screw Singh out of his pension. If he pulled the plug the day before Singh qualifies he could really rub it in.

[CdnFox]

26 minutes ago, eyeball said:

An opportunity that will come before he qualifies for his pension.

 

Possibly. Sort of.

An MP ceases to be an MP on the day of the election assuming they don't get reelected. Not the day that parliament is dissolved.

An election cycle is a minimum of 37 days in canada. 

So even if on January 20 somehow a vote is called that brings down the house,  the election would be February 27 at the earliest.  Jaggers gets his pension on the 26th I believe. 

So really, we're probably past the date and he's going to get his pension early unless the cpc can convince the GG to recall parliament to deal with a confidence motion early. 

42 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Of course we all know how vindictive Trudeau can be when he's been jilted. If he quit right now he could screw Singh out of his pension. If he pulled the plug the day before Singh qualifies he could really rub it in.

This seems much more likely to me. It would be a major slap in the face to Jaggers, trudeai walks into the GG"s office tomorrow, asks for parliament to be dissolved and for an election to be held by  the 25th.  Jaggers' seat is highly at risk... and it might well take some of the ndp votes away from the dips and trudeau may pick some of that up. 

And that may be the way they have to do it  - the other way is for him to resign and for the libs to hold a super short leadership race, but that will require proroguing parliament and i don't think the GG will agree to that for the purpose of holding a leadership race.  It's certainly not guaranteed she would.  And then they'd be in a situation where he's resigned and nobody has been selected and the opposition calls an election. 

There's a couple possible ways around that but it's hard. 

So he may well just say 'Screw it, i'm running and taking my chances and if i lose you guys will have time for a proper race and also tell Jagmeet i said "neener neener!"

[herbie]

Oh FFS you retreads are as focused on Singh's pension like a MAGA Yank on Hunter Biden. Grow up!

The topic is about govt doing what it thinks should be done while something unrelated is happening, another word meme.

They're meeting with someone who isn't in office yet. Similar to if another country's leader came to Canada and met with Poilievre instead of Trudeau to talk intercountry relations. You see no objection to that either?
This is something normally handled by Ambassadors behind the scenes, not politicians in the spotlight. Makes them and the country as a whole look weak and beholden.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

Oh FFS you retreads are as focused on Singh's pension like a MAGA Yank on Hunter Biden. Grow up!

 

Nobody anywhere is stupid enough to believe your cheezy ass attempt to cover for the depravity of your heros in the libs or the dips. 

Jagmeet is very clearly focused on his pension. IT's worth millions. Lets be real, everyone would be a little worried about losing millions at least a bit.  And he has passed up the chance to bring the gov't down 25 times (23? 28?  a bunch) including SIX DAYS before he wrote a letter saying its utterly impossible to support them any further.  The only difference was he crossed the line into his pension range. 

Polling says he's going to lose his seat.  He is all about his pension right now and has been for years now. 

He's a lying sell out turd and so are you.  And Canadians are sick of it.  See you at the polls big guy.