Biden commutes the death sentences of 37 convicted murderers and raises the ire of many people.

[blackbird]

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COLUMBIA, South Carolina (AP) — Victims' families and others affected by crimes that resulted in federal death row convictions shared a range of emotions on Monday, from relief to anger, after President Joe Biden commuted dozens of the sentences.

Biden converted the sentences of 37 federal death row inmates to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. The inmates include people convicted in the slayings of police and military officers, as well as federal prisoners and guards. Others were involved in deadly robberies and drug deals."

Relief, defiance, anger: Families and advocates react to Biden's death row commutations

This is insane.  What is the matter with Biden and these soft-on-crime snowflakes?

Edited December 24, 2024 by blackbird

[herbie]

There goes Mr Christian again condemning Biden now for not killing people. How evil it is to not kill.

[CITIZEN_2015]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

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Biden converted the sentences of 37 federal death row inmates to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. The inmates include people convicted in the slayings of police and military officers, as well as federal prisoners and guards. Others were involved in deadly robberies and drug deals."

 

Son of the b*tch. Hope one of his close families is murdered by one of those convicts he released. Biden is nor only a coward son of the b*tch in politics but he is also a friend of murderers.

1 hour ago, herbie said:

There goes Mr Christian again condemning Biden now for not killing people. How evil it is to not kill.

It is very evil not to eliminate convicted murders so that they are released on parole and take more innocent lives.

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Son of the b*tch. Hope one of his close families is murdered by one of those convicts he released. Biden is nor only a coward son of the b*tch in politics but he is also a friend of murderers.

It is very evil not to eliminate convicted murders so that they are released on parole and take more innocent lives.

 

The sentences were commuted to "life without the possibility of parole". Read much?

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

There goes Mr Christian again condemning Biden now for not killing people. How evil it is to not kill.

That's what the anti abortionists say   Strange, you seemed to disagree with them then   

Obviously there's lots of times when it actually is evil not to kill. Right now the ukrainians are using weapons provided by Biden to do lots of killing. But wouldn't it have been evil not to participate in that killing in your opinion?

So lets drop the amateur theatrics. There's plenty of times when killing is absolutely the right thing to do and it would be morally wrong not to. 

Having said that i've been quite clear recently in another thread that i do NOT believe in the death penalty, i do NOT believe in giving the state the power of death over its citizens and i DO believe that life without the possibility of parole is the moral answer  - death by old age if you will. 

But. 

That wasn't biden's call to make. That is the decision of the states to make. 

And if a state has decided that's what it wants, and that was what the families of the victims were expecting, and that was the decision of those courts... then what he just did was to rob them of their entitlement to justice and stole their ability to heal and move on.  They had an expectation of justice and that was taken away from them. There was a social contract that said "if this crime is done, then the survivors and society can expect that the following punishments will be given in the interest of justice" . And that's gone. 

What he did is wrong. That's a state decision and that decision was made. Unless there's some sort of mitigating factor that justifies overruling that decision such as new information that proves one of them was innocent or the like then it should have been left to the state. 

What biden did was cruel and wrong. If you disagree with capital punishment you should move to have it cancelled within the law, not steal it from those who decided they do agree with it. 

 

[NAME REMOVED]

6 hours ago, herbie said:

There goes Mr Christian again condemning Biden now for not killing people. How evil it is to not kill.

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

― Mahatma Gandhi

[CITIZEN_2015]

8 hours ago, Aristides said:

 

The sentences were commuted to "life without the possibility of parole". Read much?

Yes I realized that. Minimum sentence for crimes like those is death by electric chair h in my book. Nobody has the right to take away the right to avenge of close relatives. Who the hell Biden thinks he is? God? Old fool.

Edited December 24, 2024 by CITIZEN_2015

[Aristides]

25 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Yes I realized that. Minimum sentence for crimes like those is death by electric chair h in my book. Nobody has the right to take away the right to avenge of close relatives. Who the hell Biden thinks he is? God? Old fool.

A justice system isn't about revenge. Do you think sentencing for any crime should be left to the victims? Wouldn't you be the one playing God by taking a life. Do you think you should have the power of life or death?

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Do you think sentencing for any crime should be left to the victims?

Do you think that their opinions don't matter? Do you think that a society can survive if the victims of crime don't feel that justice was served at some point?

The state and its elected representatives agreed that this was inappropriate penalty. This was the expectation that the victims had and that is the social covenant. Justice is the balancing of wrongs it is a reasonable position to take that if someone has taken a life that their life be taken as well. And if that's what the electorate of the state have decided on and that is taken away then that is in fact stealing their fundamental right to justice.

I guess a lot of people are above the law in the end

[CITIZEN_2015]

4 hours ago, Aristides said:

A justice system isn't about revenge. Do you think sentencing for any crime should be left to the victims? Wouldn't you be the one playing God by taking a life. Do you think you should have the power of life or death?

It is. An eye for an eye. Ask those mothers whose child or children were raped and murdered. It is also a deterrence and elimination of the evil to remove the possibility of parole or escape and a repeat offence taking more victims, happening too often in the Western societies. PROTECT THE VICTIMS NOT THE CRIMINAL. This is justice. 

Yes, yes and yes.

Edited December 24, 2024 by CITIZEN_2015

[Gaétan]

18 hours ago, blackbird said:

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COLUMBIA, South Carolina (AP) — Victims' families and others affected by crimes that resulted in federal death row convictions shared a range of emotions on Monday, from relief to anger, after President Joe Biden commuted dozens of the sentences.

Biden converted the sentences of 37 federal death row inmates to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. The inmates include people convicted in the slayings of police and military officers, as well as federal prisoners and guards. Others were involved in deadly robberies and drug deals."

Relief, defiance, anger: Families and advocates react to Biden's death row commutations

This is insane.  What is the matter with Biden and these soft-on-crime snowflakes?

This is not what will save him from hell because he is complicit in the murder of hundreds of thousands of people

[herbie]

Oh the hypocrisy of all the Mr Christians here.
Freedumb of the individual above all, yet they're not to kill but Teh Sate can,
Plus the fact that most Pro-lifers are pro death penalty while some dummy claims the right to kill an actual person is above the right to terminate a pregnancy, a non person by law.
Even the "right" to revenge....

and these deviants are the people claiming that the 'woke' are the ones f*cking up the world,

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

It is. An eye for an eye. Ask those mothers whose child or children were raped and murdered. It is also a deterrence and elimination of the evil to remove the possibility of parole or escape and a repeat offence taking more victims, happening too often in the Western societies. PROTECT THE VICTIMS NOT THE CRIMINAL. This is justice. 

Yes, yes and yes.

So Biden is playing God by commuting their sentences but you wouldn't be playing God by killing them.

Eye for an eye comes from Leviticus. Do you follow all of its rules?

It's been shown that capital punishment is not a deterrent. If you compare murder rates of states that have repealed capital punishment or no longer carrying out executions, to those that are carrying out executions there is no pattern that shows it does.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_intentional_homicide_rate

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country

Edited December 24, 2024 by Aristides

[Gaétan]

40 minutes ago, herbie said:

Oh the hypocrisy of all the Mr Christians here.

The devil told the three religions of Abraham that they must not kill but they do not listen:

The Fifth Commandment: "THOU SHALT NOT KILL!"

According to Jesus Christ it is permitted to kill for justice but not commit murder and in the actual case it is murder. Justice for Jésus Christ is to treat others as you want to be treated not as you are treated. Exemple; If in a war soldiers kill innocent people you have the right to kill these soldiers to prevent them to kill more innocent people but not if you put them in prison because in such case it is murder.

Edited December 24, 2024 by Gaétan

[User]

Nothing about Biden's position here is on principle. Its just political theater. 

He did not commute ALL the death sentences for those facing the death penalty. Nope. He chose a few to exclude. 

So, apparently, there are some people worth executing.  

[Dougie93]

another Democrat party own goal

siding with the Woke Progressive elites

against the will of the American people

see how that works out for you, traitors to the republic

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, User said:

Nothing about Biden's position here is on principle. Its just political theater. 

He did not commute ALL the death sentences for those facing the death penalty. Nope. He chose a few to exclude. 

So, apparently, there are some people worth executing.  

No it isn’t, he is just being pragmatic. It’s time the Democrats started acting like Republicans. The high road gets them nowhere.

[herbie]

If abolition of the death penalty is "too woke" for you, your stubborn pigheadedness is the real problem. And every time you use the word woke, it is meaningless coming from your mouth.

Can't handle 2024 if you couldn't handle 1964 ideas either.

[User]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

No it isn’t, he is just being pragmatic. It’s time the Democrats started acting like Republicans. The high road gets them nowhere.

What is pragmatic here? 

They are pretending to be principled when they are not. All this proves is they don't actually have the gumption to stand behind what they claim to believe. 

 

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, User said:

What is pragmatic here? 

They are pretending to be principled when they are not. All this proves is they don't actually have the gumption to stand behind what they claim to believe. 

 

Pragmatic is not playing with one hand tied behind your back. Finally starting to play the same game as their opposition.

[CITIZEN_2015]

18 hours ago, Aristides said:

So Biden is playing God by commuting their sentences but you wouldn't be playing God by killing them.

Eye for an eye comes from Leviticus. Do you follow all of its rules?

It's been shown that capital punishment is not a deterrent. If you compare murder rates of states that have repealed capital punishment or no longer carrying out executions, to those that are carrying out executions there is no pattern that shows it does.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_intentional_homicide_rate

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country

There has been MANY cases thar murders and sex offenders are freed either by stupid parole system  or escaped and took more victims. Hundreds of thousands of more victims/ YOU are as guilty as them in repeat murderers and rapes. YOU  have to answer to those victims and their families. IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT. You are as guilty by letting those subhuman animals go free. Down with the leftists. Leftists are of great harm to our society.

I have no problem to pull the rope with my own hands or open fire by machine guns on those convicted murderers or repeat sex offenders and I am doing this proudly. Mass murderers like Assad and Ayatollahs must be hanged or executed without trial.

[Aristides]

How many sentenced to life without possibility of parole have been paroled? How many murderers in maximum security  have escaped prison and murdered again?

Executing people without trial. How blood thirsty. Quite the lover of vigilante justice. Who gets to decide who gets a trial and who doesn't? You?

If you live in a capital punishment state, apply for a job as executioner or move to a state that has capital punishment if you feel that strongly about it. Otherwise it is just talk. Saying is not doing.

[CdnFox]

On 12/24/2024 at 1:28 PM, herbie said:

Oh the hypocrisy of all the Mr Christians here.
Freedumb

I love that you just out and out admit that you think freedom is  "dumb" now   At least you're not hiding it  

[WestCanMan]

On 12/23/2024 at 8:48 PM, herbie said:

There goes Mr Christian again condemning Biden now for not killing people. How evil it is to not kill.

"An eye for an eye" (Biblical Hebrew: עַיִן תַּחַת עַיִן, ʿayīn taḥaṯ ʿayīn) is a commandment found in the Book of Exodus 21:23–27 expressing the principle of reciprocal justice measure for measure.

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

"An eye for an eye" (Biblical Hebrew: עַיִן תַּחַת עַיִן, ʿayīn taḥaṯ ʿayīn) is a commandment found in the Book of Exodus 21:23–27 expressing the principle of reciprocal justice measure for measure.

I've never really believed in that. As the saying goes an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth only leaves everyone blind and toothless. Whereas a bullet in the head pretty much ends things right there