Finance minister resigns Winter statement day

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

 

Awww muffin -  did you learn what your mistake was after watching that?

Good good, maybe now you'll do better next time  

(maybe learn how to read stuff BEFORE you post it next time.  Just sayin')

[Army Guy]

15 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

I doubt she’s starting all this drama just out of emotions.  LPC isn’t Trumpland, people don’t have public temper tantrums and try to burn down the house just because someone made them angry, especially intelligent accomplished ones like Freeland who’s pretty much the opposite of a hothead. If it was simply frustration with JT she would likely have just politely resigned to “spend time with family” (as Sean Fraser just did) or at most referenced vague differences and it still would have sent shockwaves. Note that she says she is running in the next election.  I am sure she’s genuinely been at odds with JT but I bet she will make a run for party leader after the next election and this decoupling from Trudeau is her opening move. 

you think liberal voters will buy into that....or is she just as tarnished as Justin.

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

you think liberal voters will buy into that....or is she just as tarnished as Justin.

When you're running for the leadership your first consideration is whether or not the party will buy into it. If you can get strong internal support you can sell an awful lot to voters. But you'll never win without strong party support.

There is a growing faction in the party that obviously is opposed to Justin but has been afraid to stand up to him and she may very well win some of them over.

Having said that, well obviously it will depend on who runs for a leader as well I don't think she's got a strong shot at a leadership push and I think she'd be a tough sell to the public which is why she will have difficulty winning a leadership race.

[Army Guy]

5 hours ago, Politics1990 said:

The Great State of Canada is stunned as the Finance Minister resigns, or was fired, from her position by Governor Justin Trudeau. Her behavior was totally toxic, and not at all conducive to making deals which are good for the very unhappy citizens of Canada. She will not be missed!!

^^  donald   is at it again . amazing how  a tool like this got over 70million votes lol he literally act's like a child who has been spoiled his whole life and always got what he wanted. embarrassing for any world leader of a major country to talk about that  towards any close ally really. 

it is amazing how he lives in so many Canadians minds....for free...

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

it is amazing how he lives in so many Canadians minds....for free...

There's a lot of complex reasons for that but yes, it is always fascinating to watch.

I see another pole came out that says that Canadians think that Poilievre would be the strongest leader to stand up to trump rather than Trudeau. I think the vision of trump winning and the left running to Trudeau as a result was one of Trudeau's last hail mary scenarios in his own mind, and that is quickly turning too mush. 

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Donny is in his 70's. Freeland is in her mid-50's and...

Is just friggin' ugly.

Come on ....it's 1 am, the bar call last round, and you struck out all night...you've had 12 beers...NAH she is a liberal thats a the deal breaker 

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Come on ....it's 1 am, the bar call last round, and you struck out all night...you've had 12 beers...NAH she is a liberal thats a the deal breaker 

"I'd fear snake bite"

-Silas Adams, Deadwood. 

[Legato]

49 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

you think liberal voters will buy into that....

I doubt it

[CdnFox]

Just now, Legato said:

I doubt it

honestly she sounds overqualified for liberal leader. 

[Politics1990]

9 minutes ago, Legato said:

I doubt it

lol  peaceful protesters that held the city  frozen for  like 2 or 3 weeks . nice way of words you got there

[Legato]

Just now, Politics1990 said:

lol  peaceful protesters that held the city  frozen for  like 2 or 3 weeks . nice way of words you got there

Well it was winter.

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

lol  peaceful protesters that held the city  frozen for  like 2 or 3 weeks . nice way of words you got there

Held it peacefully  

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Held it peacefully  

ROFLMAO!!!  THAT upset you so much you had to do your passive aggressive down arrow thing @Politics1990 ?!!? LOLOL

You're THAT butthurt over the convoy that just pointing out they're peaceful triggered you?

Holy crap you are brittle  

[Politics1990]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

ROFLMAO!!!  THAT upset you so much you had to do your passive aggressive down arrow thing @Politics1990 ?!!? LOLOL

You're THAT butthurt over the convoy that just pointing out they're peaceful triggered you?

Holy crap you are brittle  

 

wow another post about it  damn it really is bothering you  keep  crying about it bro just making me laugh at you at this  point

[CdnFox]

Just now, Politics1990 said:

 

wow another post about it  damn it really is bothering you  keep  crying about it bro just making me laugh at you at this  point

LOL keep telling yourself that kid    you're a leftie so self delusion is kind of your bread and butter after all  

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Come on ....it's 1 am, the bar call last round, and you struck out all night...you've had 12 beers...NAH she is a liberal thats a the deal breaker 

That's funny.

But seriously folks...since my wife is a bartender at my local pub, the thought of settling for this dumpy effort would never even cross my mind.

[herbie]

15 hours ago, Reg Volk said:

Great tweet by Trump!!

Only you would think so.

Along with your I don't care if JT's a Dead Man Walking, I want my three wishes Right F*cking Now gang.

Edited December 17, 2024 by herbie

[Michael Hardner]

I know I have CdnFox on ignore but it's actually BECAUSE he has The ability to be one of the most substantive and analytical posters here. And often he doesn't do that and just engages in tiddly, Winks, verbal battles etc 

I say this because, none of us seem to have actually read her resignation letter. I went back through this thread, with a lot of shame, because I didn't either. 

Lo and behold, CDN Fox did read it and seems to be the only person on here. Who did. Kudos. 

Here it is 

"It has been the honour of my life to serve in government, working for Canada and Canadians. We have accomplished a lot together.

 

On Friday, you told me you no longer want me to serve as your Finance Minister and offered me another position in the cabinet.

 

Upon reflection, I have concluded that the only honest and viable path is for me to resign from the cabinet.

 

To be effective, a Minister must speak on behalf of the Prime Minister and with his full confidence. In making your decision, you made clear that I no longer credibly enjoy that confidence and possess the authority that comes with it.

 

For the past number of weeks, you and I have found ourselves at odds about the best path forward for Canada.

 

Our country today faces a grave challenge. The incoming administration in the United States is pursuing a policy of aggressive economic nationalism, including a threat of 25 per cent tariffs.

We need to take that threat extremely seriously. That means keeping our fiscal powder dry today, so we have the reserves we may need for a coming tariff war. That means eschewing costly political gimmicks, which we can ill afford and which make Canadians doubt that we recognize the gravity of the moment.

 

That means pushing back against 'America First' economic nationalism with a determined effort to fight for capital and investment and the jobs they bring. That means working in good faith and humility with the premiers of the provinces and territories of our great and diverse country, and building a true Team Canada response.

 

I know Canadians would recognize and respect such an approach. They know when we are working for them, and they equally know when we are focused on ourselves. Inevitably, our time in government will come to an end. But how we deal with the threat our country currently faces will define us for a generation, and perhaps longer. Canada will win if we are strong, smart, and united."

.....

She's telling all Canadians that we have a dire threat coming up, and now is not the time for frivolous spending. Even calls out gimmicks, specifically referring to the GST break I think.

We are going to have a Conservative government very soon. We have to try and get United to prepare for this fight, no matter who the government is. 

This is serious.

[Legato]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I know I have CdnFox on ignore but it's actually BECAUSE he has The ability to be one of the most substantive and analytical posters here. And often he doesn't do that and just engages in tiddly, Winks, verbal battles etc 

I say this because, none of us seem to have actually read her resignation letter. I went back through this thread, with a lot of shame, because I didn't either. 

Lo and behold, CDN Fox did read it and seems to be the only person on here. Who did. Kudos. 

Here it is 

"It has been the honour of my life to serve in government, working for Canada and Canadians. We have accomplished a lot together.

 

On Friday, you told me you no longer want me to serve as your Finance Minister and offered me another position in the cabinet.

 

Upon reflection, I have concluded that the only honest and viable path is for me to resign from the cabinet.

 

To be effective, a Minister must speak on behalf of the Prime Minister and with his full confidence. In making your decision, you made clear that I no longer credibly enjoy that confidence and possess the authority that comes with it.

 

For the past number of weeks, you and I have found ourselves at odds about the best path forward for Canada.

 

Our country today faces a grave challenge. The incoming administration in the United States is pursuing a policy of aggressive economic nationalism, including a threat of 25 per cent tariffs.

We need to take that threat extremely seriously. That means keeping our fiscal powder dry today, so we have the reserves we may need for a coming tariff war. That means eschewing costly political gimmicks, which we can ill afford and which make Canadians doubt that we recognize the gravity of the moment.

 

That means pushing back against 'America First' economic nationalism with a determined effort to fight for capital and investment and the jobs they bring. That means working in good faith and humility with the premiers of the provinces and territories of our great and diverse country, and building a true Team Canada response.

 

I know Canadians would recognize and respect such an approach. They know when we are working for them, and they equally know when we are focused on ourselves. Inevitably, our time in government will come to an end. But how we deal with the threat our country currently faces will define us for a generation, and perhaps longer. Canada will win if we are strong, smart, and united."

.....

She's telling all Canadians that we have a dire threat coming up, and now is not the time for frivolous spending. Even calls out gimmicks, specifically referring to the GST break I think.

We are going to have a Conservative government very soon. We have to try and get United to prepare for this fight, no matter who the government is. 

This is serious.

and very few people have acknowledged the reason for the US imposing tariffs.

Freeland in her letter mentioned tariffs but left out the reason for them.

Welcome to the almighty disingenuous. The wailing wall is very busy.

 

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

She's telling all Canadians that we have a dire threat coming up, and now is not the time for frivolous spending. Even calls out gimmicks, specifically referring to the GST break I think.

We are going to have a Conservative government very soon. We have to try and get United to prepare for this fight, no matter who the government is. 

This is serious.

What we need is for someone in the Conservative Party to tell PP how frivolous and gimmicky cutting the carbon tax is in the face of doing anything about Trump's tariffs.

0.5% vs 25%...seriously?

 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What we need is for someone in the Conservative Party to tell PP how frivolous and gimmicky cutting the carbon tax is in the face of doing anything about Trump's tariffs.

0.5% vs 25%...seriously?

 

Right, because he only came up with the idea after trump proposed the tariffs he's never mentioned it before that 🙄🙄

We needed to kill the carbon tax anyway,  you !diots had 10 years to get that right and all you've done is turned people off thinking about climate change while achieving nothing. There could be no better proof you don't take it seriously and neither should we than the carbon tax fiasco. 

But now we'll need to kill it more.  Trump is looking at significant reductions in the business tax to attract business investment and head offices to the States, a trick harper used against the us very successfully in his day.  We are going to need to become much more competitive to stand a chance and the carbon tax is in the way of that. 

 

[Politics1990]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Right, because he only came up with the idea after trump proposed the tariffs he's never mentioned it before that 🙄🙄

We needed to kill the carbon tax anyway,  you !diots had 10 years to get that right and all you've done is turned people off thinking about climate change while achieving nothing. There could be no better proof you don't take it seriously and neither should we than the carbon tax fiasco. 

But now we'll need to kill it more.  Trump is looking at significant reductions in the business tax to attract business investment and head offices to the States, a trick harper used against the us very successfully in his day.  We are going to need to become much more competitive to stand a chance and the carbon tax is in the way of that. 

 

aw yes lets help the buisness elites become even more rich like harper did great plan 🙄

[eyeball]

14 minutes ago, Legato said:

and very few people have acknowledged the reason for the US imposing tariffs.

They think the way to Make America Look Good Again is to smash everything else around them.

[CdnFox]

20 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

aw yes lets help the buisness elites become even more rich like harper did great plan 🙄

It is a great plan. Turns out it's almost impossible for them to get rich without making the people around them and the people around them more rich as well. In fact that's one of the great things about capitalism, is that economic prosperity always ripples. That's why capitalism have lifted more people out of abject poverty than any other system ever invented by man ever anywhere.

Turns out you don't get jobs from poor people

So yes, get the rich back here. They're leaving currently and we're paying a horrible price. Get them starting businesses, get them upgrading existing businesses with tools that make them more productive and enhance our people's ability to create wealth. Yes, they absolutely will get rich and in doing so they will pay insane amounts of taxes and they will also create tons of jobs and those people will pay taxes.

And suddenly everybody will have more money, there will be more wealth, there will be more government revenue to take care of people who were unable to find a way to succeed in our society either because of personal challenges they couldn't overcome or physical disabilities that they suffered.

 

That is what works! The more rich people getting rich the better! Because it absolutely guarantees that the Poor are better off as well.

Any questions? I hope that didn't shatter your left-wing woke talking point perspective  

[BeaverFever]

5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

you think liberal voters will buy into that....or is she just as tarnished as Justin.

We will see. I think a lot of Canadian voters are mature enough to understand this is how politics works