“Canadian prime minister insults all Americans… It just seems so unnecessary.” - News Panel

[Aristides]

56 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Trudeau is a flake, but not a traitor. If anything, the fact that Poilievre refuses to obtain security clearance, suggests he has been compromised by foreign entities. 

Makes me wonder. I can't stand either of them.

[SkyHigh]

17 hours ago, CdnFox said:

This is a time when we should be getting the American public on our side.

THIS is how our PM is being perceived south of the border! This is what they're saying now. Why the HELL is he picking a fight with the CITIZENS? He's practically handing trump a hunting license to go after our economy with the support of the US public! 

What the hell is WRONG with this guy!?!?!?

 

I'm in no way defending Trudeau, but this kind of reaction to his lame comment, whilst showing no outrage to Trump suggesting Canada is analogous to the 51st state , (which is exponentially more insulting to Canadians then pointing out the fact that Americans failed to elect a woman twice in favor of possibility the least qualified man to ever be president) does not meet the standard of someone of your intelligence, which leads me to believe this is nothing more than empty partisanship opinion.

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

I'm in no way defending Trudeau, but this kind of reaction to his lame comment, whilst showing no outrage to Trump suggesting Canada is analogous to the 51st state , (which is exponentially more insulting to Canadians then pointing out the fact that Americans failed to elect a woman twice in favor of possibility the least qualified man to ever be president) does not meet the standard of someone of your intelligence, which leads me to believe this is nothing more than empty partisanship opinion.

You missed the point. I 100% agree that calling Canada a state of America and referring to the prime minister regardless of who it is has the governor is an order of magnitude more insulting. 

But that doesn't matter. The Canadian People's support or lack of support for tariffs changes nothing. Trump is still going to do what trump does. However the American people's opinion about tariffs and or about insults to Canada matter a great deal. And from their perspective a joke about canada being a state which they actually would look at as an upgrade if you think about it versus being personally insulted and called ignorant and misogynist and all that other good stuff is going to be far worse because it is directed at them.

If Canadians all write a letter to trump saying we're very disappointed and we want you to stop what you're doing nothing will change. If americans do then a lot can change. Trump doesnt like looking unpopular at home. 

So the LAST group we want to pi*s off right now is the us citizens themselves and they are NOT going to care about a joke about canada and they ARE going to care about being called bigots and misogynists which is precisely what their media is telling them.  They are still pissed over the basket of deplorables thing and biden calling them 'garbage', and here's trudeau saying hold my beer. 

 

This is so beyond being a 'partisan' opinion that it isn't funny. This is a big deal. 

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12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But that doesn't matter. The Canadian People's support or lack of support for tariffs changes nothing. Trump is still going to do what trump does. However the American people's opinion about tariffs and or about insults to Canada matter a great deal. And from their perspective a joke about canada being a state which they actually would look at as an upgrade if you think about it versus being personally insulted and called ignorant and misogynist and all that other good stuff is going to be far worse because it is directed at them.

 

I don't know of too many people, who would consider becoming the 51st state, an "upgrade." In fact only 1 in 10 Canadians would be welcome to that idea. 

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 

If Canadians all write a letter to trump saying we're very disappointed and we want you to stop what you're doing nothing will change. If americans do then a lot can change. Trump doesnt like looking unpopular at home. 

If he follows through with the tariffs, his popularity will dive to record lows, as the US economy will certainly tank. Aside from that, I still am unsure if Trump even knows how tariffs work.

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So the LAST group we want to pi*s off right now is the us citizens themselves and they are NOT going to care about a joke about canada and they ARE going to care about being called bigots and misogynists which is precisely what their media is telling them.  They are still pissed over the basket of deplorables thing and biden calling them 'garbage', and here's trudeau saying hold my beer. 

Americans are going to be more pissed off at having to pay more for pretty much everything. Sometimes words have no meaning, and are insignificant, especially if US home prices end up increasing by 25%, which may result in the housing market collapsing. Trump has not even been sworn in for his second term, and he is already backing off from election promises (reducing inflation and cost of groceries etc.). 

Edited December 15, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[SkyHigh]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You missed the point. I 100% agree that calling Canada a state of America and referring to the prime minister regardless of who it is has the governor is an order of magnitude more insulting. 

But that doesn't matter. The Canadian People's support or lack of support for tariffs changes nothing. Trump is still going to do what trump does. However the American people's opinion about tariffs and or about insults to Canada matter a great deal. And from their perspective a joke about canada being a state which they actually would look at as an upgrade if you think about it versus being personally insulted and called ignorant and misogynist and all that other good stuff is going to be far worse because it is directed at them.

If Canadians all write a letter to trump saying we're very disappointed and we want you to stop what you're doing nothing will change. If americans do then a lot can change. Trump doesnt like looking unpopular at home. 

So the LAST group we want to pi*s off right now is the us citizens themselves and they are NOT going to care about a joke about canada and they ARE going to care about being called bigots and misogynists which is precisely what their media is telling them.  They are still pissed over the basket of deplorables thing and biden calling them 'garbage', and here's trudeau saying hold my beer. 

 

This is so beyond being a 'partisan' opinion that it isn't funny. This is a big deal. 

Your link was of fox News talking heads, most of their audience are misogynist, deplorable, garbage bigots, who will love or hate anyone their dear leader tells them to (see all of the best people Trump hired and how quick they turned on them after being fired or simply stating truths about trump he didn't like) 

I don't think this is a big deal at all but just an excuse to shit on Justin, aka partisan politics and I think that does much more damage to Canada then any lame comment from junior 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

I don't know of too many people, who would consider becoming the 51st state, an "upgrade."

Most Americans. They honestly believe that America is better than Canada. So when trump suggests that he'll make Canada a 51st state it kind of sounds to them like he's offering to do us a favor.  The joke to them will be that they wouldn't really seriously consider that, that's just wishful thinking on our part.

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In fact only 1 in 10 Canadians would be welcome to that idea. 

Canadians are not Americans. And what we're discussing here is americans reaction to these two statements by these country's leaders

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If he follows through with the tariffs, his popularity will dive to record lows, as the US economy will certainly tank. Aside from that, I still am unsure if Trump even knows how tariffs work.

It is not certain that it will tank, or that it will tank quickly for a variety of reasons. Even more true is the fact that he may very well sell the tariffs as being our fault and Americans May well buy that. He's already setting up for it, claiming a subsidy that doesn't exist when he needs trade balance.

Now if Americans don't buy his bullshit then yeah, it may hurt his popularity and he made back down! Yay!

But our prime minister just insulted the crap out of Americans who are now probably going to think less of him of Canada and be more hostile to us.  BIG EFFING OOOOPSIE!!!!

That is my point. Right now Trudeau should be on every American Media Source he can find saying how great our relationship has been and how terrible it is that trump is threatening our wonderful friendship and talking about how we fought in wars together and how we stood by each other and can't we work things out without baseless threats etc etc.

Instead he's out there looking at them saying you guys are all a bunch of scumbags

 

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Americans are going to be more pissed off at having to pay more for pretty much everything. 

And the way things are going they're going to be more pissed off at Canadians. Which gives trump license to get away with this crap and drag it out to get what he wants.

I know you love the liberals but surely to god even you can see how absolutely devastatingly irresponsible this is

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, SkyHigh said:

Your link was of fox News talking heads, most of their audience are misogynist, deplorable, garbage bigots, who will love or hate anyone their dear leader tells them to (see all of the best people Trump hired and how quick they turned on them after being fired or simply stating truths about trump he didn't like) 

 

So you're saying they'll take really well to being directly insulted then 🙄

Fox news is by far and away the most popular new show on television at the moment in the US. It's not just watched by people that agree with them but by everybody. Even people who hate them.

And people make memes out of the segments as I just pointed out and those get spread everywhere.

Please explain to me seeing as you brought it up a couple times right now and seem to feel you have some sort of answer how exactly insulting these people to their faces makes our situation better at the negotiating table. Walk me through that. 

Seriously. You keep insisting that it was a good idea to directly insult the people whose sympathy and compassion we desperately need right now. Obviously you know more than me, please enlighten all of us how being an obnoxious scumbag to the people you need help from motivates them to step up and do the right thing

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9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Most Americans. They honestly believe that America is better than Canada. So when trump suggests that he'll make Canada a 51st state it kind of sounds to them like he's offering to do us a favor.  The joke to them will be that they wouldn't really seriously consider that, that's just wishful thinking on our part.

I somehow doubt this. As explained to you a few days ago, Trump seriously entertained the idea of swapping out Puerto Rico to Denmark, in exchange for Greenland. Not taking Trump seriously, the Danish PM declined. Trump was so insulted, that he deliberately skipped a planned visited to Copenhagen, the Danish capital a few weeks later. Trump was legitimately pissed.

Many Americans would love to get their hands on our natural resources. We have an abundance of oil, water, forestry, and mining. Much more than the United States. I would not dismiss Trump and Fox News repeated push to suggest annexing Canada as the "51st state" as merely a "joke." To Trump, the Greenland deal was no joke, so why should we dismiss this as a joke? 

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It is not certain that it will tank, or that it will tank quickly for a variety of reasons. Even more true is the fact that he may very well sell the tariffs as being our fault and Americans May well buy that. He's already setting up for it, claiming a subsidy that doesn't exist when he needs trade balance.

It definitely will tank eventually. At least that is the opinion of two dozen Nobel prize winning economists. The last time leading countries followed the path of tariffs and protectionism, resulted in the Great Depression of the 1930s. Here is a quick look at the impact of tariffs on China, in Trump's first term:

-Americans paid more for imports

-manufacturing jobs did not come back to America

-sectors targeted for retaliatory tariffs by China took a significant economic hit

Tariffs of 25% on Canada and Mexico will be a death blow to all three countries, and can initiate the worst recession in nearly a century. There is a reason Trump never mentioned these tariffs during the election. He would have lost.

 https://hbr.org/2024/12/what-the-last-trump-tariffs-did-according-to-researchers

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Instead he's out there looking at them saying you guys are all a bunch of scumbags

Now you are making things up.

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 

And the way things are going they're going to be more pissed off at Canadians. Which gives trump license to get away with this crap and drag it out to get what he wants.

There is literally zero chance the American public is mainly going to turn against Canada, consider the cultural and economic relationship the two countries have enjoyed for over 200 years, when tariffs are being imposed on China and Mexico as well. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

I somehow doubt this. As explained to you a few days ago, Trump seriously entertained the idea of swapping out Puerto Rico to Denmark, in exchange for Greenland.

You didn't explain that. You made an unsubstantiated statement that seems ridiculous on the face of it. Further digging shows that there is no credible source for this. Two newspaper people wrote about this in a book that they wrote that they really wanted to sell well based on a report from another newspaper writer who quotes an unnamed source and doesn't even mention puerto rico.

I realize it's the weekend and it's drinkey  time but maybe hold back a little bit if you can.

Virtually no Americans want Canada to be part of America other than some very left wing individuals who think that if that happens somehow the US will be compelled to take our medical system on. Which is patently insane. They already have access to our resources, there's absolutely no benefits for us being part of America because they already get to own as much as they want.

And as long as we're a separate country they can protect their own Industries such as forestry. Do you honestly believe that the united states wants our forestry companies to have unlimited access to their market?

 

Sorry kid this conversation is way the hell over your head. Trudeau is absolutely: Americans scumbags and certainly that's how their media is presenting it. And we don't need that right now that is not useful.

 

 

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1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

You didn't explain that. You made an unsubstantiated statement that seems ridiculous on the face of it. Further digging shows that there is no credible source for this.

 

Trump cancels Denmark visit amid spat over sale of Greenland

source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49416740

 

Book: Trump wanted to trade Puerto Rico for Greenland

source: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3646395-book-trump-wanted-to-trade-puerto-rico-for-greenland/

 

It took me about five seconds to type this in Google, and it brought up dozens of articles about Trump wanting to purchase Greenland from Denmark.

Is it possible for you to post just once, without LYING?

Edited December 15, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Trump cancels Denmark visit amid spat over sale of Greenland

source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49416740

 

Book: Trump wanted to trade Puerto Rico for Greenland

source: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3646395-book-trump-wanted-to-trade-puerto-rico-for-greenland/

 

It took me about five seconds to type this in Google, and it brought up dozens of articles about Trump wanting to purchase Greenland from Denmark.

Is it possible for you to post just once, without LYING?

So the book doesn't list sources and your other source Claims she thinks it was a joke and makes no mention of puerto rico

So absolutely nothing.

You're such a liar. 

[Aristides]

But MAGA hats cheer when he insults Canadians by calling their prime minister the governor of the 51 st state. This Canadian says Donny can go  f*ck himself.

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1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

I have the most posts on this forum, and post at least 50 posts a day. Yet I will never badmouth Russia, since I am compromised. I will never say anything good about Canada either, as I want to sew the seeds of division and hatred in this country.

It's about time you admitted as much, you traitor.

Just now, Aristides said:

But MAGA hats cheer when he insults Canadians by calling their prime minister the governor of the 51 st state. This Canadian says Donny can go  f*ck himself.

Some of us have figured out that there are legitimate bad-faith accounts on this forum, who will never say anything good about this nation, and only try to divide us.

@CdnFox is the most obvious example.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

But MAGA hats cheer when he insults Canadians by calling their prime minister the governor of the 51 st state. This Canadian says Donny can go  f*ck himself.

Well I think most Canadians are going to be on the go f himself team, I didn't see a lot of people here cheering.

I think some are laughing a little bit just because our prime minister is so weak. It really is pathetic

But a strong leader might very well have attacked trump back. Made some joke about the Cheeto in Chief or the Fureur of the United States of America or something,  but DON"T ATTACK THE PEOPLE!!!  We need their good will. 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

It's about time you admitted as much, you traitor.

awwww,  here you go buddy, Walmart has it on sale for you, get the family size, you go through it so fast..... 

PreparationH | Walmart Canada

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3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

awwww,  here you go buddy, Walmart has it on sale for you, get the family size, you go through it so fast..... 

PreparationH | Walmart Canada

I rest my case. You are incapable of saying anything good about Canada. Are you even Canadian? 

Most people have figured out that you are the worst offender, in spreading Russian-influenced bull$hit. 

Edited December 15, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

I rest my case.

Of beer i presume   LOLOLOL!

 

[robosmith]

11 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Yes thats what it takes to insult our largest trading partner , our nations protector, where everything that happens in the states effects everything in Canada, yes this is how true leadership solves important issues...by slaming their leader on national media....

Want Canadian respect, get Seal team 6 to come up here take justin and place him in gitmo....maybe since they are here take his whole cabinet...we are going to need pictures to show in our media, "See what happens when you play liberal games" 

Canadians will be forever grateful....I mean we have been there when you needed us....now we need you to save us from Justin and his gangsters...Before we turn into another california...

where is the batman signal, whats superman number....we need help... 

You want the truth!!!!!......You Can't handle the truth....your not built to handle the truth....

Trudeau told the truth and I can handle it just fine. Only the right wing snowflakes cannot handle the truth. Duh

[WestCanMan]

19 hours ago, Aristides said:

For one thing, he didn't say it was an "attack" he said it was a setback. Trust Fox to get it wrong.

However, women's rights are under attack in the US but mostly by states.

He said women's rights were under attack. Period. 

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Maybe, if Kamala had something, anything, to offer he'd have a point. He doesn't have a point.

He's the PM of our country and he doesn't know how elections work.

"But NBC News and ABC News told everyone to vote for Kamala and they didn't. Everyone votes for me when the CBC and CTV tell them to. The only possible reason it didn't work is misogyny. We can 100% rule everything else out."

DUUUUUUHHHHHH!

He already made India hate us, he called the Japanese PM Chinese twice, now he's pissing off the entire United States. Who's next, China? Is he gonna call Xi a f4g now? 

If we're talking about women leaders, right now I'd vote for Karla Homulka or Joy Behar if they ran against Trudeau. 

[User]

19 hours ago, Aristides said:

I haven't decided. I'm not so sure of myself that I have the right to dictate to others. Not an issue for you obviously.

I support the right to choose, whether I approve of the choice or not.

I am as sure of this as I am saying it should be wrong for mothers to choose to kill their 5 year olds. 

But hey, you say you are pro-choice. So, do you think men should have a choice too? If they wan't nothing to do with the child, should they be lawfully able to opt out of any financial responsibilities or anything else regarding having to be a father?

 

8 hours ago, robosmith said:

Trudeau told the truth and I can handle it just fine. Only the right wing snowflakes cannot handle the truth. Duh

I point out yet again, you are cowardly hiding from me here. 

 

[CaringCdn]

Now they understand that Harper was the better bet. Oh well, you get what you voted for & now we have the consequences of a horrible man who is PM who is either: very selfish & self serving, a fascist, a neo Marxist - I could go on.

Elections do have consequences & this is what happens when you don't do your due diligence. A failed government that is holding its citizens hostage to whatever the hell they want. We now know that they do not have our best interests at heart - only their own.

[ironstone]

16 hours ago, herbie said:

Just said what I've said since 2016.
SO shamelessly afraid of women they elected a miserable old c*nt rather than a female President. And so unashamed about it, they gloat.

And he fooled them twice, shame on you!

Harris did not lose because she is a woman. She lost because she was not a good candidate. She was a DEI vice president, Biden said as much.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

He's the PM of our country and he doesn't know how elections work.

"But NBC News and ABC News told everyone to vote for Kamala and they didn't. Everyone votes for me when the CBC and CTV tell them to. The only possible reason it didn't work is misogyny,,,,,,

And Russians of course.  He forgot about the Russians. 

[Army Guy]

18 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Trudeau is a flake, but not a traitor. If anything, the fact that Poilievre refuses to obtain security clearance, suggests he has been compromised by foreign entities. 

He has already obtained a security clearance, as all MP's have been vetted, the clearance he does not have is top secret which he will have to have as PM...SO much for your liberal conspiracy theory...And just so we are clear, it is the liberals that have not released any info on all those MP that were compromised , most of which were liberals...