Black Dog Posted December 3, 2024 Report Posted December 3, 2024 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: So...that's your position and you're sticking to it eh? Stupid you. Whatever happened to "believe the science"? I've been through the document's relevant section on the origins and the following sticks out like a soar thumb: and this: ya...stupid you. Hang on: Quote In January 2024, Mr. Wade voiced his increasing support for a lab incident origin.14 Mr. Wade astutely noted that “SARS2 possesses a furin cleavage site, found in none of the other 871 known members of its viral family, so it cannot have gained such a site through the ordinary evolutionary swaps of genetic material within a family.”15 With the natural evolution of a furin cleavage site being nonexistent, Mr. Wade further noted that EcoHealth and the WIV’s DEFUSE proposal, which was rejected by DARPA, sought to do what nature had not been ever known to do—insert a furin cleavage site into a SARS2 virus.16 It is, therefore, more than just a coincidence that COVID-19 emerged from the city with a lab preparing to conduct this research under cost-effective yet risky BSL-2 protocols. This shit has been debunked. For starters, furin cleavage sites do occur naturally in other coronaviruses. Second, the research proposal in question (and which was supposed to have been done in the U.S., not China) was never funded, so the only way this particular theory works is if you believe that they went ahead and did the work anyway at the WIV without any funding just for kicks. In other words: more conjecture. 1 Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
Nationalist Posted December 3, 2024 Report Posted December 3, 2024 3 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Hang on: This shit has been debunked. For starters, furin cleavage sites do occur naturally in other coronaviruses. Second, the research proposal in question (and which was supposed to have been done in the U.S., not China) was never funded, so the only way this particular theory works is if you believe that they went ahead and did the work anyway at the WIV without any funding just for kicks. In other words: more conjecture. As I said to @User on the previous page...ya can't fix stupid. And you certainly qualify as unfixable. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
WestCanMan Posted December 3, 2024 Report Posted December 3, 2024 Listen to these f'ing stupid leftards. "It's no big deal that Fauci funded the creation of a bat coronavirus that was transmissible right here, and then when one started infecting people right in that spot, he pointed to a spot beside it and said "We believe it had to have come from over there". Then social media was literally banning people for saying "there's a BSL4 lab right in the spot where covid came from. If you poke the sharpest needle ever made on the spot on the globe where the wetmarket is, the Wuhan BSL4 lab will be inside the hole with it." 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
gatomontes99 Posted December 3, 2024 Author Report Posted December 3, 2024 21 minutes ago, Hodad said: No, it doesn't. Let me re-quote it for you: "COVID-19 most likely emerged from a laboratory in Wuhan, China." Their "most likely" isn't your "conclusive." And in the scientific community it's not even viewed as the most likely. If you are looking to a political document for scientific rigor you are looking in the wrong place. Scientists continue to find compelling evidence of natural origin, and no evidence to really support the lab leak outside of speculation. Ahem Quote Dr. Robert Redfield (March 8, 2023) From the earliest days of the pandemic, my view was that both theories about the origin of COVID-19 needed to be aggressively and thoroughly examined. Based on my initial analysis of the data, I came to believe—and still believe today—that it indicates COVID-19 infections more likely were the result of an accidental lab leak than the result of a natural spillover event. This conclusion is based primarily on the biology of the virus itself, including its rapid high infectivity for human-to-human transmission which would then predict rapid evolution of new variants, as well as a number of other important factors to include the unusual actions in and around Wuhan in the fall of 2019…12 One month later in April 2023, Mr. Ratcliffe testified: The Honorable John Ratcliffe (April 18, 2023) First, let me state the bottom-line up front. My informed assessment as a person with as much access as anyone to our government’s intelligence during the initial year of the pandemic has been and continues to be that a lab leak is the only explanation credibly supported by our intelligence, by science, and by commonsense. From a view inside the IC, if our intelligence and evidence supporting a lab leak theory was placed side-by-side with our intelligence and evidence pointing to a natural origins or spillover theory, the lab leak side of the ledger would be long, convincing, even overwhelming, while the spillover side would be nearly empty and tenuous https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/12.04.2024-SSCP-FINAL-REPORT.pdf 1 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Deluge Posted December 3, 2024 Report Posted December 3, 2024 43 minutes ago, Nationalist said: robowoke thinks? Oh come on... Good point. He's been programmed. 1 Quote
eyeball Posted December 3, 2024 Report Posted December 3, 2024 20 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: It is man made It did come from WIV Assuming this is true, so what? We still had to take measures to deal a pandemic. It's always telling that so many people for whom this lab leak is so important are the same people who railed against virtually all pandemic. Why? Should it have been used as an excuse to do less or even nothing? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted December 3, 2024 Report Posted December 3, 2024 13 minutes ago, eyeball said: Assuming this is true, so what? Why are you even in this thread if your position is "so what?" For crying out loud, it is a pretty big deal if the recent pandemic was caused by our own stupid actions in understanding how we can not do that again and hold people accountable. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
Hodad Posted December 3, 2024 Report Posted December 3, 2024 52 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: Ahem Yes, and? -- I'm aware that there's a report. I'm aware that a minority of virologists and epidemiologists hold this opinion. What's your point? Quote
User Posted December 3, 2024 Report Posted December 3, 2024 9 minutes ago, Hodad said: Yes, and? -- I'm aware that there's a report. I'm aware that a minority of virologists and epidemiologists hold this opinion. What's your point? What is your point in claiming a minority holds this view? What do you base claiming it is only a minority on? Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
gatomontes99 Posted December 3, 2024 Author Report Posted December 3, 2024 43 minutes ago, eyeball said: Assuming this is true, so what? We still had to take measures to deal a pandemic. It's always telling that so many people for whom this lab leak is so important are the same people who railed against virtually all pandemic. Why? Should it have been used as an excuse to do less or even nothing? We tailed against the lies. We railed against the violation of our rights. We didn't want to be subjugated by lies. 1 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Black Dog Posted December 3, 2024 Report Posted December 3, 2024 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: As I said to @User on the previous page...ya can't fix stupid. And you certainly qualify as unfixable. I almost appreciate how dedicated you are to not allowing any new information to penetrate your bubble. It takes real effort to stay that dumb. Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
gatomontes99 Posted December 3, 2024 Author Report Posted December 3, 2024 22 minutes ago, Hodad said: Yes, and? -- I'm aware that there's a report. I'm aware that a minority of virologists and epidemiologists hold this opinion. What's your point? Bullshìt. No one believes the natural occurrence. No one. Quote We found that SARS-CoV has the restriction site fingerprint that is typical for synthetic viruses. The synthetic fingerprint of SARS-CoV-2 is anomalous in wild coronaviruses, and common in lab-assembled viruses. The type of mutations (synonymous or silent mutations) that differentiate the restriction sites in SARS-CoV-2 are characteristic of engineering, and the concentration of these silent mutations in the restriction sites is extremely unlikely to have arisen by random evolution. Both the restriction site fingerprint and the pattern of mutations generating them are extremely unlikely in wild coronaviruses and nearly universal in synthetic viruses. Our findings strongly suggest a synthetic origin of SARS-CoV2. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.18.512756v1 These German scientist say that it is 99.9% likely that SARS COVID 2 came from a laboratory and was man made. The science is that it was man made. We need to agree on that so we can now examin what led to the WIV making so many stupid mistakes. Who funded it? Who thought it was a good idea? What practices led to the virus getting out? If we are going to stop the next man-made pandemic, it would be a good idea to understand how this one happened instead of hurrying our heads up our asṣ and pretending everything is ok. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Nationalist Posted December 3, 2024 Report Posted December 3, 2024 13 minutes ago, Black Dog said: I almost appreciate how dedicated you are to not allowing any new information to penetrate your bubble. It takes real effort to stay that dumb. Says the unfixable... 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
WestCanMan Posted December 3, 2024 Report Posted December 3, 2024 35 minutes ago, Black Dog said: I almost appreciate how dedicated you are to not allowing any new information to penetrate your bubble. It takes real effort to stay that dumb. No one can match your overabundance of ignorance Black Dummy. You gotta lower the bar for other people or you'll die alone. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
eyeball Posted December 3, 2024 Report Posted December 3, 2024 1 hour ago, User said: Why are you even in this thread if your position is "so what?" I made it perfectly clear why I said so what. Look at all the excuses that have been used for not implementing pandemic measures by many of the same people who're mesmerised by this report. Excuses that are only gaining more traction as time goes on. The relevant question I asked stands, should the leak theory have been used as an excuse to do less or even nothing? 1 hour ago, User said: For crying out loud, it is a pretty big deal if the recent pandemic was caused by our own stupid actions in understanding how we can not do that again and hold people accountable. Duh. But we already know accidents happen. Of course an accidental leak is only a step away from being a deliberate release so maybe settling the accidental leak question provides a step towards towards debunking the deliberate leak. Good luck with that too. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WestCanMan Posted December 3, 2024 Report Posted December 3, 2024 32 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: Bullshìt. No one believes the natural occurrence. No one. 🤣 Is it your first day here? 😂 Eyeball, Hodad, impartial observer, exflyer, aristedes, MH, drunk driver, Black Dummy and every other leftard on this site adamantly believe everything that Fauci ever said since day 1 and nothing has ever changed. If Fauci backpeddles to "BSL4 lab", that's when they'll believe it. Not one second sooner. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
eyeball Posted December 3, 2024 Report Posted December 3, 2024 57 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: We tailed against the lies. We railed against the violation of our rights. We didn't want to be subjugated by lies. No one likes it when these happen. But you folks especially didn't like the pandemic measures that were taken. The question is would you be less inclined to submit to the same measures or less if it was proven beyond doubt it was a leak? Whatever else we do in the next pandemic taking measures to prevent and deal with so many people losing their shit should be at the top of the list. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted December 3, 2024 Report Posted December 3, 2024 5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: If Fauci backpeddles to "BSL4 lab", that's when they'll believe it. Not one second sooner. I'll still be saying so what in the context of taking measures against it. Whether it was accidental, deliberate or natural, doing nothing was and never will be a rational appropriate option. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted December 4, 2024 Report Posted December 4, 2024 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Duh. OK, glad you agree there is more to this than "so what?" and there is no point in responding to the rest of your nonsense. My point is made. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
gatomontes99 Posted December 4, 2024 Author Report Posted December 4, 2024 1 hour ago, eyeball said: No one likes it when these happen. But you folks especially didn't like the pandemic measures that were taken. The question is would you be less inclined to submit to the same measures or less if it was proven beyond doubt it was a leak? It was the lies that we railed against. Had they said it may be natural or it may be, the blowback would have been minimal. Some may have been mad that they didn't commit to a story. But far fewer would have been angry. We also railed against measures, that didn't work, because they were mandatory. Had the government said "We don't know much about this. We do know similar viruses saw some benefit of doing x, y, and z. We asked that you do this for your benefit and the benefit of those you encounter." Then, there would have been almost no opposition, except from those that pine for subjugation. Your implication that the mandates were good and beneficial is a fallacy born of the supposition that the government must force people to do what is best for them. That is a fundamental difference between the left and the right. We prefer rights and process over outcome and you prefer outcome over rights and process. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
eyeball Posted December 4, 2024 Report Posted December 4, 2024 14 minutes ago, User said: OK, glad you agree there is more to this than "so what?" and there is no point in responding to the rest of your nonsense. My point is made. It goes without saying we want to learn as much as possible to avoid repeating mistakes. But you didn't answer my question. Perhaps a wait-and-see-until-we-know-for-sure option would suit you come next pandemic. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted December 4, 2024 Report Posted December 4, 2024 1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said: It was the lies that we railed against. Had they said it may be natural or it may be, the blowback would have been minimal. Some may have been mad that they didn't commit to a story. But far fewer would have been angry. There's no doubt at all that everyone would have benefitted from good reliable information. Unfortunately we went into COVID at a nadir of public trust in governments that made trusting them next to impossible. So instead lots people chose ideology to guide their thinking - skew their thinking is more like it. 1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said: We also railed against measures, that didn't work, because they were mandatory. There were people railing against every single measure in the book. I saw angry strings of emails from people hollering about the end of democracy and freedom because public meetings were being held on Zoom instead of in person less than two weeks into the pandemic. The fear of totalitarianism was always thick as a brick. But in a simple planning meeting over things like building setbacks and zoning applications? Get a grip. 1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said: Had the government said "We don't know much about this. They would have been telling the truth because health authorities around the world concurred this was a novel virus no one had ever seen before. Let me reiterate that...it was unheard of and had never been seen before. 1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said: We do know similar viruses saw some benefit of doing x, y, and z. We asked that you do this for your benefit and the benefit of those you encounter." The guy running your government decided he knew a thing or two more than anyone else but ours didn't and he left it to the experts to figure out. Americans died in droves compared to Canada. You probably think that heroic or something. 1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said: Then, there would have been almost no opposition, except from those that pine for subjugation. 🤣 1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said: Your implication that the mandates were good and beneficial is a fallacy born of the supposition that the government must force people to do what is best for them. That is a fundamental difference between the left and the right. We prefer rights and process over outcome and you prefer outcome over rights and process. Gaslit ideological hooey like this should be considered a co-morbidity. Stupidity was always COVID's favorite vector and it just zeroed right in on it. It'll be way way worse next time. What do you think the chances are of finding a cure for stupid before the next pandemic hits? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Hodad Posted December 4, 2024 Report Posted December 4, 2024 5 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: Bullshìt. No one believes the natural occurrence. No one. These German scientist say that it is 99.9% likely that SARS COVID 2 came from a laboratory and was man made. The science is that it was man made. We need to agree on that so we can now examin what led to the WIV making so many stupid mistakes. Who funded it? Who thought it was a good idea? What practices led to the virus getting out? If we are going to stop the next man-made pandemic, it would be a good idea to understand how this one happened instead of hurrying our heads up our asṣ and pretending everything is ok. Nobody! Nobody believes that COVID was transmitted from animals! You know, nobody except 70% of virologists and epidemiologists. 🙄 1 Quote
robosmith Posted December 4, 2024 Report Posted December 4, 2024 12 hours ago, WestCanMan said: We believe scientists and doctors when they're not trying to p1ss in our faces and telling us it's raining. But you believed Trump when he told you water falling from the sky WAS NOT rain just cause his hair appeared dry to you. LMAO Quote
robosmith Posted December 4, 2024 Report Posted December 4, 2024 9 hours ago, Deluge said: Good point. He's been programmed. How would YOU know? All you EVER HAVE is BULLSHIT. Quote
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