Hodad Posted December 5, 2024 Report Posted December 5, 2024 18 hours ago, WestCanMan said: 1) When you catch someone lying, don't just believe the next thing they say, and the next, and the next, and the next. While conservatives were still trying to find out whether or not there really was a BSL4 lab in Wuhan, and how close it was to the wetmarket, and trying to talk about it in code so that we didn't get banned, we were all becoming skeptical AF. 2) FYI Fauci didn't just lie about the origin, the next thing that came out of his mouth was: "We don't think that covid is spreading human-to-human." That's what Fauci was saying when Trump was already treating it like it was highly contagious, and banning non-Americans from coming over from China. Just think for a second, what leftards would say if Trump said that, and then created policy based on such a m0r0nic statement... Every mom on the planet knows to keep their kids away from someone who's sick. They all do. If someone in your family was deathly ill with covid right at the beginning, would you tell the little kids in your family "They're probably not contagious"? Is your wife stupid enough to say that, eyeball? Was your mom stupid enough to say that, eyeball? I'd throw my wife and mom right out the front door if they ever said any stupid shit like that to our kids, no joke. "Go sit in the doghouse until you figure out how to protect children." Hell, that's even worse than "The gun's probably not loaded, you can take it on the trampoline with you", because the gun couldn't infect a whole community, or province, or country. On a scale of 1-10, how dumb was it for Fauci to say "We don't think H2H transmission is occurring right now"? On a scale of 1-10, how wrong did he end up being about that? All you do is make excuses for the last round of BS and then listen to the next round of BS, eyeball. You are really just a shameless, relentless liar. Trump announced his half-assed China travel ban on Jan 31. While literally on that same day, Fauci was publicizing confirmation of not just human-to-human transmission, but also asymptomatic transmission. Jeebus, if it weren't for blatant lies you wouldn't post anything at all. 1 Quote
Venandi Posted December 5, 2024 Report Posted December 5, 2024 (edited) For reasons that escape me, people have so much emotional baggage invested in this that whoever is ultimately proven wrong will deny it on principle and ridicule all supporting evidence without making the slightest effort to understand the science behind it. It's rare now to find someone open to being convinced and willing to modify their opinion as facts present themselves. It's like snake cult vs sun cult... potentially, that's a bigger problem than the source of the virus itself IMO. I don't know the answer, but the lab was known to be conducting GOF testing on the same virus and in the fall of 2019 two lab workers were hospitalized with Covid. Who knows, maybe they were licking cages in the wet market a few days earlier. So even though I don't know the definitive answer, I have my suspicions. However, those suspicions are tempered by the fact that it doesn't matter what the source is/was anymore... does it? And if so how? We now have the possibility of potential long term health effects as a result of the vaccine itself and perversely, all of the rhetoric only serves to entrench the opinions of those unable to discuss the biology of it at a basic high school level. At this point (and by design IMO) it's nothing more than a distraction which only serves to recruit additional cult members. The real beneficiaries here are behaviourists and information management organizations. There are actually courses in deploying and promoting the very divisions and polarizations on display here. That alone should provide incentive for people to take the entire sordid mess with a huge grain of cautionary salt... yet they don't, which is actually the point of it in the first place. If you don't believe that, simply go back in time and look at the coordinated efforts to ridicule, de-platform, fire and abuse anyone who even suggested the possibility. Careers were wrecked over that and those deliberately doing the wrecking (in a premeditated scientific manner easily recognized by graduates of similar courses) now shrug as if they had no part in it. Cool eh? It's almost enough to make me self identify as 19 and join the military again. Edited December 5, 2024 by Venandi Quote
Nationalist Posted December 5, 2024 Report Posted December 5, 2024 5 hours ago, robosmith said: You're just PROJECTING ^YOUR BULLSHIT, AGAIN. ㊙️ no one believes what you post because you NEVER have any EVIDENCE. Your ^OPINIONS and $5 will buy you a cup of coffee at Thorntons. LMAO Not opinions...the findings of the 2 year congressional investigation. Oh BTW...you should stop p1ssing into the wind. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Nationalist Posted December 5, 2024 Report Posted December 5, 2024 34 minutes ago, Venandi said: For reasons that escape me, people have so much emotional baggage invested in this that whoever is ultimately proven wrong will deny it on principle and ridicule all supporting evidence without making the slightest effort to understand the science behind it. It's rare now to find someone open to being convinced and willing to modify their opinion as facts present themselves. It's like snake cult vs sun cult... potentially, that's a bigger problem than the source of the virus itself IMO. I don't know the answer, but the lab was known to be conducting GOF testing on the same virus and in the fall of 2019 two lab workers were hospitalized with Covid. Who knows, maybe they were licking cages in the wet market a few days earlier. So even though I don't know the definitive answer, I have my suspicions. However, those suspicions are tempered by the fact that it doesn't matter what the source is/was anymore... does it? And if so how? We now have the possibility of potential long term health effects as a result of the vaccine itself and perversely, all of the rhetoric only serves to entrench the opinions of those unable to even discuss the biology at a basic high school level. At this point (and by design IMO) it's nothing more than a distraction which only serves to recruit additional cult members. The real beneficiaries here are behaviourists and information management organizations. There are actually courses in deploying and promoting the very divisions and polarizations on display here. That alone should provide incentive for people to take the entire sordid mess with a huge grain of cautionary salt... yet they don't, which is actually the point of it in the first place. Cool eh? I wish I could self identify as 19 and join the military again. Perhaps. Yet it matters because of the number of lies sold to the public. That can never happen again. At very least, Tony Fauci needs to be hauled into court on numerous counts of perjury. 1 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Venandi Posted December 5, 2024 Report Posted December 5, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: That can never happen again. Agreed, but I'll go out on a limb here and suggest that regardless of the eventual outcome, it most definitely will happen again. I'll also suggest that it's far easier to deploy (even by accident as in the case of the NS wolf thing) than most people think. The closer the alignment between the unholy trinity of government, security services (including intelligence) and the media, the more credible the end product is... it isn't hard to accomplish either, any of us here could do it. I watched the trucker protest with a sense of awe, off topic maybe but it's analogues because it doesn't matter what your views are on the protest itself, the methodology, or the intent. Eventually there will be books written about this... the famous Nazi flag was visible only briefly and from a discreet angle, and who happened to be right there at the right time and place to capture that image? Then, without a shred of evidence, CBC reported about foreign actors (with evil intent) financially supporting the convoy Go Fund Me efforts... the government then jumped on that report with both feet, all but tripping in their eagerness to use it. Now, does anyone actually believe that a government intelligence analyst couldn't determine the voracity of that claim over a single cup of coffee? Or even better, that the government actually needed CBC to inform them about it? They simply wanted open source evidence that was actionable regardless of whether it was true or not. That open source certainly didn't add an air of credibility either, in fact, it detracted from it... big time. And POOF, all the fact checkers suddenly went into hibernation, no doubt exhausted by the effort they put into Covid. Lot's of examples that make all this fun to watch Those 50 analysts and the media effort behind Hunters laptop is actually my fav... it was fun to watch them backpedal using the very escape valve deliberately built into the assertion at the time of its deployment. Likely just a coincidence eh? LOL, how many of those guys got great jobs out of that? Edited December 5, 2024 by Venandi Quote
WestCanMan Posted December 5, 2024 Report Posted December 5, 2024 For the covid10ts ( @eyeball @Hodad, etc), right from the mothership of covid disinformation: https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/covid-19-fatalities-have-nearly-doubled-in-a-year-but-expert-says-omicron-deaths-may-be-even-higher-1.6109626 Since October of last year, COVID-19 fatalities have nearly doubled, according to the Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC) numbers, and January 2022 saw the highest rate of excess mortality in the country after Omicron became the dominant strain. Hmmmm. No mention of "What percent of them were unjabbed". Because it was only about 10%. Check this out, from the same page: 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth.
Nationalist Posted December 5, 2024 Report Posted December 5, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Venandi said: Agreed, but I'll go out on a limb here and suggest that regardless of the eventual outcome, it most definitely will happen again. I'll also suggest that it's far easier to deploy (even by accident as in the case of the NS wolf thing) than most people think. The closer the alignment between the unholy trinity of government, security services (including intelligence) and the media, the more credible the end product is... it isn't hard to accomplish either, any of us here could do it. I watched the trucker protest with a sense of awe, off topic maybe but it's analogues because it doesn't matter what your views are on the protest itself, the methodology, or the intent. Eventually there will be books written about this... the famous Nazi flag was visible only briefly and from a discreet angle, and who happened to be right there at the right time and place to capture that image? Then, without a shred of evidence, CBC reported about foreign actors (with evil intent) financially supporting the convoy Go Fund Me efforts... the government then jumped on that report with both feet, all but tripping in their eagerness to use it. Now, does anyone actually believe that a government intelligence analyst couldn't determine the voracity of that claim over a single cup of coffee? Or even better, that the government actually needed CBC to inform them about it? They simply wanted open source evidence that was actionable regardless of whether it was true or not. That open source certainly didn't add an air of credibility either, in fact, it detracted from it... big time. And POOF, all the fact checkers suddenly went into hibernation, no doubt exhausted by the effort they put into Covid. Lot's of examples that make all this fun to watch Those 50 analysts and the media effort behind Hunters laptop is actually my fav... it was fun to watch them backpedal using the very escape valve deliberately built into the assertion at the time of its deployment. Likely just a coincidence eh? LOL, how many of those guys got great jobs out of that? Which is why some come-upin's needs to be dealt out. An example made of the "bad actors" who insist on dictating points of view to the media. Said "come-upin's" needs to include the government officials and those in the media who played along. Its one thing for a media company to have an opinion...its quite another for the government to impose an opinion on the media. Edited December 5, 2024 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Hodad Posted December 5, 2024 Report Posted December 5, 2024 2 hours ago, WestCanMan said: For the covid10ts ( @eyeball @Hodad, etc), right from the mothership of covid disinformation: https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/covid-19-fatalities-have-nearly-doubled-in-a-year-but-expert-says-omicron-deaths-may-be-even-higher-1.6109626 Since October of last year, COVID-19 fatalities have nearly doubled, according to the Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC) numbers, and January 2022 saw the highest rate of excess mortality in the country after Omicron became the dominant strain. Hmmmm. No mention of "What percent of them were unjabbed". Because it was only about 10%. Check this out, from the same page: 4 years after covid started and you still can't manage to grasp that efficacy is measured by looking at incidence rates rather than raw numbers. But, to be fair, I wasn't expecting that you would get smarter as the years roll by. 🤷♂️ 1 Quote
eyeball Posted December 5, 2024 Report Posted December 5, 2024 1 hour ago, Hodad said: But, to be fair, I wasn't expecting that you would get smarter as the years roll by. 🤷♂️ You can sure he still has pictures of steel columns where the FBI/CIA/WTF knows agents planted nanothermite charges. Just follow the s̶t̶r̶i̶n̶g̶ data. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WestCanMan Posted December 5, 2024 Report Posted December 5, 2024 1 hour ago, Hodad said: 4 years after covid started and you still can't manage to grasp that efficacy is measured by looking at incidence rates rather than raw numbers. But, to be fair, I wasn't expecting that you would get smarter as the years roll by. 🤷♂️ 2 years of you saying the exact same blatant BS, which has already been debunked. No one even knows the case rates, because the vast majority of cases are so minor that they go unreported. Minister of Profiteering: "Deaths are up by 30%, and almost everyone that died was jabbed at least 4 times. Obviously all of the jabs that we forced people to take didn't bring the number of deaths down. What do we tell our useful id10ts now?" Minister of Propaganda: "Tell them that infections are up even more, which means that the CFR is actually lower." Ethics Commissioner: "But 1) we told them that the jabs stop the spread, and we forced people to take it based on that claim, so how can there be more infections than ever? 2) That's a bogus stat, because we have no idea how many people are getting infected." Minister of Propaganda: "1) The vaxtards are basically cultists now, they'll pretend not to notice, 2) Why would we start telling the truth now, dummy? Haven't you been paying attention this whole time? We own the "truth". The cheques have ben cashed. 3) How are you still alive? Do you need MAID? Are you sure?" Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth.
WestCanMan Posted December 5, 2024 Report Posted December 5, 2024 38 minutes ago, eyeball said: You can sure he still has pictures of steel columns where the FBI/CIA/WTF knows agents planted nanothermite charges. Just follow the s̶t̶r̶i̶n̶g̶ data. You can see the death stats, eyeball. It's a graph that goes up more sharply after our "vax" campaign", id10t. How many times do you have to be dummied before you'll retreat to back-peddle 1? Even Fauci was at step ten 2 years ago ffs... For those of you who missed it, there were thousands of multi-jabbed people who died of covid back when eyeball was still pretending that no vaxed had ever died of covid 🤣 He's so delusional that he makes Beave's Wushin cowushun drivel look grounded in reality 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth.
eyeball Posted December 5, 2024 Report Posted December 5, 2024 18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: For those of you who missed it, there were thousands of multi-jabbed people who died of covid back when eyeball was still pretending that no vaxed had ever died of covid Yes there were thousands who died amongst the tens of millions who were vaccinated. Most people are capable of understanding that being vaccinated is not a guarantee against infection while appreciating it will still prevent far far more deaths and hospitalizations than being unvaccinated. Unvaccinated people always had, have and always will experience a greater chance of getting sick, being hospitalized and dying than vaccinated people. It doesn't matter who or what you think you were promised about efficacy or effectiveness because it just is what it is. Unvaccinated 11 to 17 times more likely to die https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/severe-covid-19-death-lowest-far-among-vaccinated-canadians Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Venandi Posted December 5, 2024 Report Posted December 5, 2024 (edited) 59 minutes ago, eyeball said: Most people are capable of understanding that being vaccinated is not a guarantee against infection... You know that wasn't how it was sold right? And you also know that the accompanying rhetoric and ridicule bridging the information gulf between initial distribution talking points and your quoted comments (above) was the result of a media sales job worthy of serious admiration from those who study such things... right?. ' I'm also guessing you know that your statement (in and of itself) is not what's generally acceptable in terms of vaccine efficacy... right? I foolishly expected a bit more humility from folks who changed the very definition of vaccine to account for the magnitude of observed variance from nominal. And to this day, I remain gobsmacked by the hardline opinions of people who willingly defend a scientific position they can't even begin to discuss rationally at a grade 9 biology level. This is where I disagree with WestCanMan, this was easily accomplished (with a liberal sprinkling of fear), we learned absolutely nothing from the process, we will ultimately hold no one accountable in their lifetime, and we will absolutely/positively do this again in the future. Edited December 5, 2024 by Venandi 1 Quote
eyeball Posted December 5, 2024 Report Posted December 5, 2024 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Venandi said: You know that wasn't how it was sold right? You know how politicians typically sell things right? Quote we learned absolutely nothing from the process, we will ultimately hold no one accountable in their lifetime, and we will absolutely/positively do this again in the future. We'll still keep buying cars too. Edited December 5, 2024 by eyeball 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted December 5, 2024 Report Posted December 5, 2024 29 minutes ago, Venandi said: I'm also guessing you know that your statement (in and of itself) is not what's generally acceptable in terms of vaccine efficacy... right? Does a big old humble I'm sorry work for you or do we need to carry on for 19 pages quibbling over my unpardonable faux pas and the great bearing it has on anything else I said? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DUI_Offender Posted December 5, 2024 Report Posted December 5, 2024 4 hours ago, Hodad said: 4 years after covid started and you still can't manage to grasp that efficacy is measured by looking at incidence rates rather than raw numbers. But, to be fair, I wasn't expecting that you would get smarter as the years roll by. 🤷♂️ These COVID conspiracy people are a dime a dozen. They really need to teach critical thinking as a mandatory course in schools. These people are literally brain-dead. 1 Quote
Hodad Posted December 5, 2024 Report Posted December 5, 2024 3 hours ago, WestCanMan said: 2 years of you saying the exact same blatant BS, which has already been debunked. No one even knows the case rates, because the vast majority of cases are so minor that they go unreported. Minister of Profiteering: "Deaths are up by 30%, and almost everyone that died was jabbed at least 4 times. Obviously all of the jabs that we forced people to take didn't bring the number of deaths down. What do we tell our useful id10ts now?" Minister of Propaganda: "Tell them that infections are up even more, which means that the CFR is actually lower." Ethics Commissioner: "But 1) we told them that the jabs stop the spread, and we forced people to take it based on that claim, so how can there be more infections than ever? 2) That's a bogus stat, because we have no idea how many people are getting infected." Minister of Propaganda: "1) The vaxtards are basically cultists now, they'll pretend not to notice, 2) Why would we start telling the truth now, dummy? Haven't you been paying attention this whole time? We own the "truth". The cheques have ben cashed. 3) How are you still alive? Do you need MAID? Are you sure?" Sure dummy. They got away with the same scam for seatbelts, but that was before you were policing the internet. You caught then red handed this time! Thank goodness the divine creator personally blessed you with the enormous intelligence to protect us from all those dumb scientists and mathematicians. Quote
Venandi Posted December 6, 2024 Report Posted December 6, 2024 (edited) 2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: They really need to teach critical thinking as a mandatory course in schools. These people are literally brain-dead. Cool... But we haven't even begun to see the potential long term effects of mRNA technology yet. Maybe you're right, but one things for sure and for certain... one of the two sides has it desperately wrong. Given your obvious penchant for critical thinking, how is it that you aren't the least bit concerned about the down stream effects of lipid nanoparticles and systemic distribution given the toxicity of the spike protein itself... particularly (IMO) as it applies to BBB penetration over the long term? What exactly has convinced you that my concerns are a nothing burger at best and a complete fabrication by a card carrying member of the walking brain dead at worst? Are my questions the product of a critical thinking deficit or am I so utterly brain dead that any possible BBB implications would be rendered moot because of it? I would love to share your optimism... what part of my concern is bogus, and why? Please keep your answer within the parameters of what a grade 13 biology student could comprehend lest you overwhelm my limited critical thinking threshold. Edited December 6, 2024 by Venandi Quote
DUI_Offender Posted December 6, 2024 Report Posted December 6, 2024 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Venandi said: Cool... But we haven't even begun to see the potential long term effects of mRNA technology yet. Maybe you're right, but one things for sure and for certain... one of the two sides has it desperately wrong. Considering it has been nearly fours years since the vaccines for COVID-19 were introduced, and the fact that there have been very few negative outcomes to the population who have received COVID vaccinations, especially compared to the negative outcomes of persons who are not vaccinated, I have faith in our medical establishment. Keep in mind mRNA has been around for decades, vaccines first used on animals decades ago, and finally on people in 2013. 39 minutes ago, Venandi said: Given your obvious penchant for critical thinking, how is it that you aren't the least bit concerned about the down stream effects of lipid nanoparticles and systemic distribution given the toxicity of the spike protein itself... particularly (IMO) as it applies to BBB penetration over the long term? lol....you may want to pose that question to one who has obtained their degree in Virology, or works in infectious diseases in some capacity. Edited December 6, 2024 by DUI_Offender Quote
Venandi Posted December 6, 2024 Report Posted December 6, 2024 (edited) 43 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: lol....you may want to pose that question to one who has obtained their degree in Virology, or works in infectious diseases in some capacity. Actually I think the question is pretty basic and one of the things that should come instantly to mind when you "think critically" about lipids, spike protein toxicity, and the BBB. Granted, the answer is likely to be complex but the question most definitely isn't. My hesitation in sharing your optimism lies in the absence of solid answers and it's compounded by the deafening lack of sensible questions being posed by faithful adherents whose argument of choice is usually ridicule. The act of taking things on faith (IMO) abandons the very concept of critical thinking you were in favour of making mandatory moments ago. As to the historical safety of mRNA technology, I was simply asking on behalf of those cute little Black Footed Ferrets... the ones who are no longer with us. Got to run... Cheers Edited December 6, 2024 by Venandi Quote
eyeball Posted December 6, 2024 Report Posted December 6, 2024 1 hour ago, Venandi said: Actually I think the question is pretty basic and one of the things that should come instantly to mind when you "think critically" about lipids, spike protein toxicity, and the BBB. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DUI_Offender Posted December 6, 2024 Report Posted December 6, 2024 2 hours ago, Venandi said: Actually I think the question is pretty basic and one of the things that should come instantly to mind when you "think critically" about lipids, spike protein toxicity, and the BBB. Granted, the answer is likely to be complex but the question most definitely isn't. My hesitation in sharing your optimism lies in the absence of solid answers and it's compounded by the deafening lack of sensible questions being posed by faithful adherents whose argument of choice is usually ridicule. The act of taking things on faith (IMO) abandons the very concept of critical thinking you were in favour of making mandatory moments ago. As to the historical safety of mRNA technology, I was simply asking on behalf of those cute little Black Footed Ferrets... the ones who are no longer with us. Got to run... Cheers Quote
Venandi Posted December 6, 2024 Report Posted December 6, 2024 (edited) Question: 10 hours ago, Venandi said: what part of my concern is bogus, and why? Answer: 6 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: There ya go... the reason I'm unable to attain your level of critical thinking. It also explains my lack of motivation to try. Edited December 6, 2024 by Venandi 1 Quote
Venandi Posted December 6, 2024 Report Posted December 6, 2024 8 hours ago, eyeball said: A thoughtful and timely response that's caused me to rethink all of my concerns... thanks for your input. Quote
Venandi Posted December 10, 2024 Report Posted December 10, 2024 (edited) On 12/6/2024 at 12:45 AM, DUI_Offender said: I'm actually glad that meme got posted, moronic sentiments should continue to be brought forward so we have an opportunity to learn from them. When we get to the point of seriously considering the"how did we get here?" question the worst "OFFENDERS" will grow silent, refuse to acknowledge their role in prolonging the mess and lay the blame (for their own arrogance) at the feet of the politicians who actually gave them the mandates they demanded. All I can say is watch the video and then... follow your own advice as quoted: https://www.rebelnews.com/science_confirms_sv40_dna_in_pfizer_s_covid_shot_validating_concerns_over_unexplored_genetic_health_risks Only now are we asking the sort of questions that thoughtful people with rudimentary biology knowledge were concerned about on day one of the adventure, and it seems that pro vaccination fact checks prefixed with "there is no evidence to suggest" have evaporated like summer dew. This should never have been about being right, it should have been about getting it right... ignoring fools (who peaked in grade 12) shouting things like STFU is part of that process IMO. My fear now is that all too soon we will be talking about safety of the blood supply. Edited December 10, 2024 by Venandi 1 Quote
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