Five of swords Posted November 8, 2024 Report Posted November 8, 2024 (edited) 20 hours ago, robosmith said: I said NOTHING about that. Can you read? What on earth are you talking about? So now you are arguing Trump is like Hitler because they both failed to arrest Hillary Clinton? Edited November 8, 2024 by Five of swords Quote
robosmith Posted November 8, 2024 Report Posted November 8, 2024 3 hours ago, Five of swords said: What on earth are you talking about? So now you are arguing Trump is like Hitler because they both failed to arrest Hillary Clinton? I said NOTHING about "failure to arrest Hillary." The FACT is, Trump told Sessions to prosecute Hillary and HE REFUSED. The ORDER was FASCIST like Hitler. Except later on, the SS would just put a bullet in her head like Putin does routinely. Duh Quote
Five of swords Posted November 8, 2024 Report Posted November 8, 2024 8 minutes ago, robosmith said: I said NOTHING about "failure to arrest Hillary." The FACT is, Trump told Sessions to prosecute Hillary and HE REFUSED. The ORDER was FASCIST like Hitler. Except later on, the SS would just put a bullet in her head like Putin does routinely. Duh Fascism has nothing to do with arresting Hillary. Anyway...you have totally lost the plot, lol. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted November 8, 2024 Report Posted November 8, 2024 14 minutes ago, robosmith said: I said NOTHING about "failure to arrest Hillary." The FACT is, Trump told Sessions to prosecute Hillary and HE REFUSED. The ORDER was FASCIST like Hitler. Except later on, the SS would just put a bullet in her head like Putin does routinely. Duh What? No link? Nope. The link would have shown you to be a liar. Trump never ordered Session to open an investigation. Sessions did query whether reopening what Comey closed was worth while. It was determined it wasn't. /endstory https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/24/us/politics/jeff-sessions-hillary-clinton-donald-trump.html Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
robosmith Posted November 8, 2024 Report Posted November 8, 2024 51 minutes ago, Five of swords said: Fascism has nothing to do with arresting Hillary. Anyway...you have totally lost the plot, lol. Sure. And Putin arresting and killing Navalny had nothing to do with his FASCISM. Not. You have lost touch with reality. Quote
robosmith Posted November 8, 2024 Report Posted November 8, 2024 45 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: What? No link? Nope. The link would have shown you to be a liar. Trump never ordered Session to open an investigation. Sessions did query whether reopening what Comey closed was worth while. It was determined it wasn't. /endstory https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/24/us/politics/jeff-sessions-hillary-clinton-donald-trump.html Nope. Plenty of links. Duh Report: Trump wanted to prosecute Comey, Hillary Clinton AP News https://apnews.com › article Nov 20, 2018 — WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump told his counsel's office last spring that he wanted to prosecute political adversaries Hillary ... Mueller Report Reveals Trump's Fixation on Targeting ... The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com › U.S. › Politics Apr 24, 2019 — The president repeatedly sought to have Attorney General Jeff Sessions reopen the investigation into Mrs. Clinton's use of a private email ... Appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary Clinton PolitiFact https://www.politifact.com › trumpometer › promise › a... President Donald Trump tried to have his 2016 opponent, Hillary Clinton, investigated by a special counsel. But he was never able to make it happen. Why Trump's lies about trying to prosecute Hillary Clinton ... MSNBC News https://www.msnbc.com › maddowblog › trumps-lies-tr... Oct 25, 2024 — The idea that Donald Trump didn't try to have Hillary Clinton prosecuted is one of the more demonstrably ridiculous myths in Republican politics. Quote
herbie Posted November 8, 2024 Report Posted November 8, 2024 Blown away by the number of people posting how they JUS discovered that it would be them and not the Chinese paying the tariffs on goods. How they will be able to buy an F150 Lightning that they don't want for the same price and not get the 4 person city runabout at all.... 2 Quote
gatomontes99 Posted November 8, 2024 Report Posted November 8, 2024 42 minutes ago, robosmith said: Nope. Plenty of links. Duh Report: Trump wanted to prosecute Comey, Hillary Clinton AP News https://apnews.com › article Nov 20, 2018 — WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump told his counsel's office last spring that he wanted to prosecute political adversaries Hillary ... Mueller Report Reveals Trump's Fixation on Targeting ... The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com › U.S. › Politics Apr 24, 2019 — The president repeatedly sought to have Attorney General Jeff Sessions reopen the investigation into Mrs. Clinton's use of a private email ... Appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary Clinton PolitiFact https://www.politifact.com › trumpometer › promise › a... President Donald Trump tried to have his 2016 opponent, Hillary Clinton, investigated by a special counsel. But he was never able to make it happen. Why Trump's lies about trying to prosecute Hillary Clinton ... MSNBC News https://www.msnbc.com › maddowblog › trumps-lies-tr... Oct 25, 2024 — The idea that Donald Trump didn't try to have Hillary Clinton prosecuted is one of the more demonstrably ridiculous myths in Republican politics. None of those say what you think they say. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Five of swords Posted November 9, 2024 Report Posted November 9, 2024 2 hours ago, robosmith said: Sure. And Putin arresting and killing Navalny had nothing to do with his FASCISM. Not. You have lost touch with reality. Putin isn't fascist either. Fascism is not a synonym for 'mean'. It is a political philosophy. 1 Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted November 9, 2024 Author Report Posted November 9, 2024 3 hours ago, herbie said: Blown away by the number of people posting how they JUS discovered that it would be them and not the Chinese paying the tariffs on goods. How they will be able to buy an F150 Lightning that they don't want for the same price and not get the 4 person city runabout at all.... This is why Trump won the election. Most Americans have no idea how tariffs work. 1 Quote
herbie Posted November 9, 2024 Report Posted November 9, 2024 12 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: Most Americans have no idea how tariffs work. That is obvious. 10 years ago they were trying to point out the Softwood Lumber tariffs were costing Americans $6000 on the price of every new home build. So even Biden raised it last year. How much is it costing now? Just like tariffs on cars. The EV tariffs simply mean the US Big3 don't have to compete. They needn't even try unless they want to. Quote
CdnFox Posted November 9, 2024 Report Posted November 9, 2024 5 hours ago, herbie said: Blown away by the number of people posting how they JUS discovered that it would be them and not the Chinese paying the tariffs on goods. How they will be able to buy an F150 Lightning that they don't want for the same price and not get the 4 person city runabout at all.... Pretty just discovered that. Why don't we see how many tariffs actually land before we comment. I can tell you the stock market shot up by a pretty incredible amount. Maybe you think that all business people are stupid and don't know as much as you do. Quote
myata Posted November 9, 2024 Report Posted November 9, 2024 The long struggle of the state with mafia culminated in the late 1980s. Just a generation on, mafia bosses can be elected presidents of the United States with all prosecution dropped. Without the ability to think and act rationally, what future can await? What miracles? We (must) know. No avoiding it. Bring it on. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
robosmith Posted November 9, 2024 Report Posted November 9, 2024 5 hours ago, Five of swords said: Putin isn't fascist either. Fascism is not a synonym for 'mean'. It is a political philosophy. Yes, it is the philosophy of a dictator with absolute power who uses violence to quash/kill anyone who opposes him. What is fascist in simple terms? Fascism is a far-right form of government in which most of the country's power is held by one ruler or a small group, under a single party. Fascist governments are usually totalitarian and authoritarian one-party states. Fascism - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1 Quote
myata Posted November 9, 2024 Report Posted November 9, 2024 6 hours ago, Five of swords said: Putin isn't fascist either. Fascism is not a synonym for 'mean'. Let's have fascists define what it means. That'll work like a charm. The thing is, it's a one way street or very near. Easy to get into, finding way out almost impossible without a big, serious trouble. Well, this time around we knew everything. No excuses. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
CdnFox Posted November 9, 2024 Report Posted November 9, 2024 55 minutes ago, robosmith said: Yes, it is the philosophy of a dictator with absolute power who uses violence to quash/kill anyone who opposes him. What is fascist in simple terms? Fascism is a far-right form of government in which most of the country's power is held by one ruler or a small group, under a single party. Fascist governments are usually totalitarian and authoritarian one-party states. Fascism - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia So the definition of facism is communism with a figurehead. 1 Quote
Venandi Posted November 9, 2024 Report Posted November 9, 2024 (edited) 4 hours ago, robosmith said: Yes, it is the philosophy of a dictator with absolute power who uses violence to quash/kill anyone who opposes him. The form it takes and the camouflage it wears is infinitely variable. Because of that, I tend to look closer at the conduct (words, actions, perceived intent etc) of those who insist on invoking over the top Hitler references. For sensible people, especially those who have actually seen, smelled, or experienced the sort of atrocities the name suggests, invoking it in a "white boy Rick" manner utterly fails to resonate. It might be gobbled up by the Herbs and Dogs of the world but that's about it. People in need, those with real pain and real problems sway to more practical concerns and their observations are a result of experience... like this for instance. I can't speak to the voracity of the story, its extent or direct effects, but if true, it's the sort of thing that will burn in the memory of those effected. It's not how you earn votes, win elections or sway opinions... it's how you lose on all three fronts. It's how you brand an entire group with the actions of a few extremists and it's why people will rightly question your willingness to embrace these activists and reluctance to cast them adrift in their own dingy. I'm actually heartened to see that US Democrats seem to attribute their "surprise" loss to "failure to effectively communicate with voters." Hopefully they will concentrate on the packaging, add a few rainbows to the plastic tub that contains their values, and continue to invoke the name of long dead tyrants for many years to come. Edited November 9, 2024 by Venandi 1 Quote
myata Posted November 9, 2024 Report Posted November 9, 2024 (edited) The assumption of voter's democracy is entirely wrong: factually. Italy elected fascists. Germany elected Nazis. The numbers don't always make right. How blind or is it dumb deliberately? one has to be no fail to admit the facts of reality? The nature of the state and the government, the political system eventually is determined by who votes. There's no universal connection of any agenda with any group of voters by some magical or "correct" political trick. This is such a funny misconception, rather entitled self-deception that spread only as a result of two-three generations of relative stability and prosperity. This is all it took to forget all and everything, a complete memory wipe. But no. Not a chance. Democracy is not a magical wishing well. It's a political habitat of citizens who are prepared and have committed to exercising reason, responsibility and certain general rules for shared progress and prosperity. There are options that a reasonable and responsible citizen will not consider. Yes there's that line. And as soon as this commitment is void that's it: you can have all kind of rituals, chant old incantations but the democracy is gone - with the reason and responsibility. Simple. No magic, no tricks. 1 hour ago, Venandi said: I'm actually heartened to see that US Democrats seem to attribute their "surprise" loss to "failure to effectively communicate with voters." The stupedest, most ridiculous illusion now is to pretend, trying the impossible to convince yourselves that nothing much has happened, that it could just go away with another "election" or "connection". But look: one had to be pretty far out on that path of unreality to get here, right? So what are the hopes of an instant cure even by this experience? Or should it get another couple of orders of magnitude worse still, to begin to sink in? A mafia boss can be the president of the United States now. It only takes one good election song, that's all. This is new. And it will be like this, this way for as long as you can see and think, until something bigger, perhaps groundbreaking transpired. Until that, you're stuck with this. You chose and created it, with your hands and brains and its yours to own now, no escapes and no miracles. No one around to wipe your a$$ nobody to point fingers to. Can you see it now? The eyes, better? Here you go baby. On your way now. Edited November 9, 2024 by myata Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
myata Posted November 9, 2024 Report Posted November 9, 2024 (edited) Iran, Venezuela, .. Russia, China... North Korea, "a very honorable person", remember? why couldn't they have democracy? Another "election", another "connection" a great democratic leader and - what? a miracle? It happens in this world, right? But we made sure that this time around, there will be no simply naive and innocent. Not a chance - we knew everything and we chose deliberately and in full knowledge. So no innocent escapes. So we know it: they won't have democracy because there are no citizens. Tricks and rituals will do nothing for democracy until citizens come or return be it a century, five, millennia or never. No naive excuses. No miracles. Citizens make democracies work and they can drop them to dry and wither. It happened not once. Yes, a fact of history. And a choice, free and fair. And we chose. So own it - no silly pathetic innocence games, now. Miracles will be far and wide to come by. Sure, you knew. Edited November 9, 2024 by myata 1 Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Five of swords Posted November 9, 2024 Report Posted November 9, 2024 7 hours ago, robosmith said: Yes, it is the philosophy of a dictator with absolute power who uses violence to quash/kill anyone who opposes him. What is fascist in simple terms? Fascism is a far-right form of government in which most of the country's power is held by one ruler or a small group, under a single party. Fascist governments are usually totalitarian and authoritarian one-party states. Fascism - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia No, that is not true. Quote
Five of swords Posted November 9, 2024 Report Posted November 9, 2024 7 hours ago, myata said: Let's have fascists define what it means. That'll work like a charm. The thing is, it's a one way street or very near. Easy to get into, finding way out almost impossible without a big, serious trouble. Well, this time around we knew everything. No excuses. Why couldn't a fascist define fascism? Quote
myata Posted November 9, 2024 Report Posted November 9, 2024 7 minutes ago, Five of swords said: Why couldn't a fascist define fascism? They can and they did. One only needs working eyes and memory to know and see the definition, live. 1 Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Five of swords Posted November 9, 2024 Report Posted November 9, 2024 10 minutes ago, myata said: They can and they did. One only needs working eyes and memory to know and see the definition, live. I have no idea what you are getting at. The practice of fascism ended up being pretty close to the theory of fascism. That was lucky for the fascists I suppose ..and seems quite rare in history. But even if the theory differed from the practice, a theory would still exist. Quote
Venandi Posted November 9, 2024 Report Posted November 9, 2024 (edited) 3 hours ago, myata said: But look: one had to be pretty far out on that path of unreality to get here, right? So what are the hopes of an instant cure even by this experience? Or should it get another couple of orders of magnitude worse still, to begin to sink in? Indeed, and I worry about the same thing for the same reasons. Maybe we're just creating a see-saw effect that encourages both ends of the fulcrum to become increasingly volatile over time, with all of the polarization and partisan media rhetoric (meaning lies) that goes with it. Making people fearful of an election result that goes against them is a recipe for violence... the US founding fathers would have called it "an inducement to war." Sometimes I think giving the Herbs and Dogs exactly what they want until they cry uncle is the quickest way threw this, then I think about the amount of damage these creatures have actually done in a short period of time. Throw in the two decades it will take to unfu@k the mess they've already created and I admit to being at something of a loss. Were I suddenly put in charge of (say) regenerating the CAF, the long standing disregard for the simple attrition / recruiting / operational tempo equation is breathtaking. Those who think it isn't so might want to consider the lingering effects of FRP 95 and the fact that careers are measured in decades. A recipe for "be careful what you wish for" on steroids... and a lesson we have yet to even design a CTS/CTP for. Back to occasional lurking.... Cheers Edited November 9, 2024 by Venandi Quote
Nationalist Posted November 9, 2024 Report Posted November 9, 2024 Wow. The rhetoric of this is thick as a deep fog. Incredible. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
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