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Posted
11 hours ago, phoenyx75 said:

First of all, it's phoenyx75, with a y, not an i. I'm honestly thinking it might be better to just switch to the name I use in 'real life', if that's an option. I've done this in another forum I'm in.

Secondly, I'm guessing that by "this country", you mean the U.S.? If so, the fact that Trump was elected doesn't mean that debates on things to do with transgenderism and other LGBTQ issues is over. Furthermore, people didn't just vote for Trump because of his stance on LGBTQ issues. Trump has a lot of stances. Some I even agree with, such as his stance to stop helping Ukraine bomb Russia.

That's not how you spell Phoenix, so it's Phoenix75. Get it right. 

I never said the debates on trannies is over, I'm just saying that their agenda is overreach and it needs to be put back in its place. The fight will be ongoing, and I expect morality to win this one. ;)

Posted
1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

Lies and lies and propaganda... 

You're convincing no one.

Enjoy your pastime.

No lie. See you next time you pretend this is not happening and only get upset at those who call it out... 

 

LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... 

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Posted
6 hours ago, phoenyx75 said:

On this, at least, we agree.

If you look at the nested quotes in the first part of this post, you'll see that I first brought up the KKK after you'd said "The key now is to get the trannies, and all the other radical activists, back in their lane so America can recover from the woke infection." You may not be aware of the fact, but the term tranny is a slur. Wikipedia spells it out:

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Tranny is an offensive and derogatory slur for a transgender individual,[1] often specifically a transgender woman.[2]

During the early 2000s, there was some confusion and debate over whether the term was considered as a slur, was considered acceptable, or a reappropriated term of unity and pride, but by 2017, the term had been banned by several major media stylebooks and was considered hate speech by Facebook.[3][4]

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Source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tranny

 

The KKK and other groups of this nature also use coded language on those who they dislike. There's an article that delves into how politicians use coded language to appeal to those who dislike various groups, from blacks to the LGBTQ community. It can be seen here:

https://www.vox.com/2016/2/1/10889138/coded-language-thug-bossy

 

The word "Tranny" fits. It fits because the trannies have gotten aggressive. They've planted their flag at the top of the democrat party and they want the entire planet embracing their agenda. This kind of behavior justifies everything we throw at them.

If a trans person respects others and keeps to himself, then there is no problem. If a trans person wants story time with kids, or the entire month of June, or his flag flown prominently at the White House, then we DO have a problem. A HUGE problem. 

This is a culture war, Phoenix75, and it ends when either the trannies back off, or when we put their agenda down. ;) 

Posted
14 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Lies and lies and propaganda... 

You're convincing no one.

Enjoy your pastime.

I suspect that User isn't lying, at least in the sense that he is saying something that he -knows- isn't true. I think it's more that posters like User and CdnFox jump to false conclusions and then state these false conclusions as facts. I know that lies can be defined as untruths, but I personally think there's a big difference between someone -knowingly- saying something that is false and someone who just jumps to false conclusions.

Posted
5 minutes ago, phoenyx75 said:

I suspect that User isn't lying, at least in the sense that he is saying something that he -knows- isn't true. I think it's more that posters like User and CdnFox jump to false conclusions and then state these false conclusions as facts. I know that lies can be defined as untruths, but I personally think there's a big difference between someone -knowingly- saying something that is false and someone who just jumps to false conclusions.

I didn't do either. 

 

LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... 

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Posted
24 minutes ago, phoenyx75 said:

I suspect that User isn't lying 

They're lies, whether they're repeated in good faith or not.

25 minutes ago, phoenyx75 said:

I think it's more that posters like ...

Whatever the root cause of people trolling in this way, it's unhelpful and uninteresting.  Better to move on than to waste more time wondering about it.

Posted
13 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

They're lies, whether they're repeated in good faith or not.

Really?

Then be brave enough to respond directly to me and tell me what exactly the lie was. I posted my evidence to you. 

14 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Whatever the root cause of people trolling in this way, it's unhelpful and uninteresting.  Better to move on than to waste more time wondering about it.

Yep, this is what you do. You ignore the evidence and run away to the next thread where you will play this dishonest game again. You will act like it isn't happening, decry the culture war, and ignore anything else. 

LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... 

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Posted (edited)
On 12/14/2024 at 10:29 AM, phoenyx75 said:

It all has to do with how people are defining terms like gender. You clearly want to equate a person's sex with a person's gender, but a significant amount of people no longer do this. Wikipedia gets into all of this in its introduction to the gender term:

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Gender includes the social, psychological, cultural and behavioral aspects of being a man, woman, or other gender identity.[1][2] Depending on the context, this may include sex-based social constructs (i.e. gender roles) as well as gender expression.[3][4][5] Most cultures use a gender binary, in which gender is divided into two categories, and people are considered part of one or the other (girls/women and boys/men);[6][7][8] those who are outside these groups may fall under the umbrella term non-binary. A number of societies have specific genders besides "man" and "woman," such as the hijras of South Asia; these are often referred to as third genders (and fourth genders, etc.). Most scholars agree that gender is a central characteristic for social organization.[9]

The word is also used as a synonym for sex, and the balance between these usages has shifted over time.[10][11][12] In the mid-20th century, a terminological distinction in modern English (known as the sex and gender distinction) between biological sex and gender began to develop in the academic areas of psychology, sociology, sexology, and feminism.[13][14] Before the mid-20th century, it was uncommon to use the word gender to refer to anything but grammatical categories.[3][1] In the West, in the 1970s, feminist theory embraced the concept of a distinction between biological sex and the social construct of gender. The distinction between gender and sex is made by most contemporary social scientists in Western countries,[15][16][17] behavioral scientists and biologists,[18] many legal systems and government bodies,[19] and intergovernmental agencies such as the WHO.[20]

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Full article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender

It's irrelevant what people longer do. You can comprehend can't you that if 100 people agree a pig is a horse that doesn't mean the pig is actually a horse? There is an old story attributed to Abraham Lincoln where he asked in a meeting how many legs a dog has if you count the dogs tail as a leg. When they said 5 he said a tail isnt a leg. Why do you people think we all must agree with this stupidity? 

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Posted
16 hours ago, User said:

a mental disorder. 

But it is not a mental disorder. Transgenderism does not interfere with the functioning of the brain. Their brains work fine, they are just the opposite sex of the body.

Male and female brains have differences. For example, I real long ago that there are more neuronal connections between the "emotion centres" and the "communication centres" in females than there are in males. So, this might be used to explain why men have such a hard time talking about their feelings. And during our evolution, we needed men to be fearless and tough, brave hunters, so this makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint.

There's some really exciting science going on now - using AI to identify female and male brains:  

This model demonstrated superior performance compared with those in previous studies, in part because it used a deep neural network that analyzes dynamic MRI scans. This approach captures the intricate interplay among different brain regions. When the researchers tested the model on around 1,500 brain scans, it could almost always tell if the scan came from a woman or a man...

The findings indicate that functional brain characteristics varying between sexes have significant behavioral implications.

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2024/02/men-women-brain-organization-patterns.html

 

16 hours ago, User said:

social contagion

This theory has been totally dismissed. There is zero evidence for it, despite its being studied. Zero, Nada, nilch.

You can read about all the evidence showing it's wrong here:

All the Evidence Against Transgender Social Contagion

 

"Social contagion" is actually called a "zombie theory" - a scientific theory that has been disproved, attempts to prove it have failed, but some (usually with an agenda) continue to present it as a viable theory.

 

 

 

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. What is?  My explanation of how propaganda works?  Look it up.

2. Who is "we"?  Pedophiles? Scout Leaders and priests?  You're doing exactly what I said...

Nothing more to be said.

 

Judging by the responses, I have a feeling anyone with a rational point of view is wasting their time. I now know how it must have felt to speak out for Jews in Nazi Germany, or alleged Communists, during the Red scare in America. 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Judging by the responses, I have a feeling anyone with a rational point of view is wasting their time. I now know how it must have felt to speak out for Jews in Nazi Germany, or alleged Communists, during the Red scare in America. 

Or to be silent.  That's what I'm feeling.  Of course, we're all in a waiting period right now so there's an excuse.

Posted
7 hours ago, phoenyx75 said:

First of all, do you have evidence that this is true? Secondly, even if it was true, there's clearly a sizeable part of the population, myself included, that believes that there should be a distinction made between a person's gender and a person's biological sex. This part of the population clearly has some clout, or there wouldn't be cases like the one I described above.

First of all, no one is fighting biology here. The issue is how we're defining words. As to normality, I decided to look into the term and decided that what best describes what you're talking about are social norms. I found some interesting points in Wikipedia's article on the term. This one, for instance:

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Three stages have been identified in the life cycle of a norm: (1) Norm emergence – norm entrepreneurs seek to persuade others of the desirability and appropriateness of certain behaviors; (2) Norm cascade – when a norm obtains broad acceptance; and (3) Norm internalization – when a norm acquires a "taken-for-granted" quality.[7] 

**

 

This part too:

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Deviance also causes multiple emotions one experiences when going against a norm. One of those emotions widely attributed to deviance is guilt. Guilt is connected to the ethics of duty which in turn becomes a primary object of moral obligation. 

**

 

That, in turn, leads to unfortunate things such as this:

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Moretz has publicly supported LGBT equality.[84] Moretz, who is gay, also has two gay brothers; Moretz states they had initially tried to "pray the gay away" to appease their community.[85]

**

Source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloë_Grace_Moretz

I have the national election as evidence. Most Americans are sick of the woke bullshit, and the tranny agenda is woke bullshit. 

Yes, you are fighting biology. You're saying that biology is no longer the sole determinant of sex. Now you're saying that everyone, and everything, is the sole determinant - it's an orgy of determination in 2024! 

There are only two types of people: biological men, and biological women. Anything outside of that is woke bullshit. 

See how easy it is? 

Posted
6 hours ago, phoenyx75 said:

This isn't about changing anyone, this is about what labels we use for different categories of people. Secondly, I'm not advocating that terms like cisgender be used all the time, quite the reverse, I think they should be used sparingly, in situations where knowing whether someone is cisgender or transgender is important. The same goes for people who are transgender. In other cases, simply using the gender a person identifies with is sufficient.

It's about changing EVERYONE. You're trying to shoehorn your ridiculous terms into mainstream society, and it's pissing Americans off. 

My suggestion is that you keep your tranny agenda to yourself. The majority of America will not have it. 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

But it is not a mental disorder. Transgenderism does not interfere with the functioning of the brain. Their brains work fine, they are just the opposite sex of the body.

LOL, if you think you are something you are not... that is a disorder. 

The brain is not working fine. 

4 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Male and female brains have differences.

Yeah, male and female brains do have differences... WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT REAL MALES AND FEMALES. 

You are here trying to tell us that a males brain is actually a females brain. 

Once again, try reading your own links, as this has nothing to do with how someone "identifies":

"A key motivation for this study is that sex plays a crucial role in human brain development"
 

8 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

This theory has been totally dismissed. There is zero evidence for it, despite its being studied. Zero, Nada, nilch.

Wrong again. 

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-023-02576-9
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0202330


 

LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... 

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Posted
7 hours ago, phoenyx75 said:

I'm going to assume you meant something like "Dude" instead of "Do". Anyway, you haven't provided any evidence that I've been dishonest.

 

You've been dishonest. A number of times. And we don't have to provide proof. That's the problem that you don't understand, if you discredit yourself nobody's interested in proving it to you you just have no credibility anymore

Posted
16 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Or to be silent.  That's what I'm feeling.  Of course, we're all in a waiting period right now so there's an excuse.

This is such backwards garbage. 

We are the ones showing you the little kids that are being butchered and drugged and you choose to remain silent and act like it is not happening. 

Yeah, if this were a comparison to the NAZI's, it would be you and DUI minding your own business and acting like you didn't see the Jews getting loaded into the train cars.

LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... 

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Posted
6 minutes ago, User said:

This article has been retracted. That means no longer valid:

Change history

  • 10 May 2023

    Publisher’s Note: readers are alerted that concerns have been raised regarding methodology as described in this article. The publisher is currently investigating this matter and a further response will follow the conclusion of this investigation.

  • 16 May 2023

    Publisher's Note: the Supplementary Information has been removed due to a lack of documented consent by study participants.

  • 14 June 2023

    This article has been retracted. Please see the Retraction Notice for more detail: https://doi.org/10.1007/s10508-023-02635-1

     

    8 minutes ago, User said:

    Oh, yes, the Littman study. The problems with it were outlined in the link I sent you. 

    The major concern is that that study was done only with parent interviews, and did not involve any contact with the transgender youth.

     

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Posted
Just now, Radiorum said:

This article has been retracted. That means no longer valid:

Try reading why it was retracted. 

Just now, Radiorum said:

Oh, yes, the Littman study. The problems with it were outlined in the link I sent you. 

Except, you did not assert an argument against it, no, you declared there was zero evidence. Nada, zilch. 

The fact that you disagree, doesn't make it zero. 

 

LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... 

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Posted
7 hours ago, phoenyx75 said:

I'm going to assume you meant something like "Dude" instead of "Do". Anyway, you haven't provided any evidence that I've been dishonest.

Hard to say, you clumped so many Quotes together I'm not even a million percent sure who you're talking to. Is this your very first time on a discussion forum junior?

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Personally, I think that everyone matters, even people like you who say things like this.

No you don't. You've already dismissed people's opinion is being utterly irrelevant as long as you don't like it. You started off with that at the very beginning. Your whole point is if you decide what you should call me then I should accept that but you should have a say in what I call you.

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These ad hominem attacks of yours are a real disgrace. 

You're the disgrace here you narcissistic uneducated talking point robot. 

Respect and civility is earned.  you are NOT respectable. And you've been rude as hell.  

In my day you dealt with bullies by punching them in the face. And seeing as i'm still alive it's still my day.  So if you don't like it then don't be such an unmitigated ass and maybe people will treat you better. 

A lesson i suspect the whole trans community is about to learn over the next few years. 

Posted (edited)
4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. What is?  My explanation of how propaganda works?  Look it up.

2. Who is "we"?  Pedophiles? Scout Leaders and priests?  You're doing exactly what I said...

Nothing more to be said.

 

You weren't explaining propaganda. You were supposedly responding to my post. There is no propaganda in my post. Only the few concerns I and most people have to the acts and demands Trans people and the doctors who provide this "gender affirming" butchery to kids. The objections are not unreasonable. Why don't you try addressing them?

"We" the majority of people. https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3991685-majority-of-americans-oppose-gender-affirming-care-for-minors-trans-women-participating-in-sports-poll/

Please address the points...rather than side-stepping them.

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Posted
53 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Why don't you try addressing them?

Because for as much as he pretends to be opposed to the culture wars, he has chosen a side here, and this is how he fights. 

He tries to gaslight us by pretending there is nothing to discuss while he ignores the arguments and evidence. 

 

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Posted (edited)
13 hours ago, User said:

 

It's a lot harder for you to sit here justifying grown-ass men dancing like strippers in front of little kids, the parents, and schools that are pushing this on them. It's a lot harder for you to sit here justifying drugging and butchering children. It's a lot harder for you to sit here justifying that women and girls are forced to compete against men in physical sports unfairly. It's a lot harder for you to sit here justifying that women and girls should be OK with a naked man in their bathrooms/personal spaces. 

Can you provide evidence that this is happening on a grand scale? In my lifetime, I have never heard of this type of thing going on in the Prairie Provinces. There are zero schools in Canada, that I am aware that encourage children, to have to endure strip shows by Transgender people.

I've always made it clear that I think biological males competing in women's sports is cheating, as men are on average, stronger, faster, have higher bone density, and larger in size. They should be banned from women's sports. Having said that, I was curious as to how many biological males are competing in women's sports in America. One estimate says it is roughly 100, of a population of 338 million. It's not right, but hardly the issue that people of the right make it out to be.

I'm not in favour of biological men being in women's personal spaces (change rooms, etc). You have become a victim of ridiculous propaganda, that suggests this is a problem in every single school in North America (it is not), and if we fail to act now, tens of thousands of children will be brainwashed into wanting gender reassignment surgery (there is no evidence of this happening). 

13 hours ago, User said:

So... you play these dumb games and pretend like you don't know any of this and then lie as if we give a crap that men want to play dress up and act like women with each other at some gay bar like they have been doing for decades now. 

People have the right to dress up how they wish in their personal spare time, whether it be private clubs, or in their own home. Are you in favour of banning Halloween too?  Are you in favour of shutting down Gay bars, and criminalising them, since the odd person in the bar dresses in drag? 

 I live in a city of over 1,000,000 people, and I may see one Transgender person a year. It is not a widespread problem.

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Posted
7 hours ago, Radiorum said:

This article has been retracted. That means no longer valid:

Change history

  • 10 May 2023

    Publisher’s Note: readers are alerted that concerns have been raised regarding methodology as described in this article. The publisher is currently investigating this matter and a further response will follow the conclusion of this investigation.

  • 16 May 2023

    Publisher's Note: the Supplementary Information has been removed due to a lack of documented consent by study participants.

  • 14 June 2023

    This article has been retracted. Please see the Retraction Notice for more detail: https://doi.org/10.1007/s10508-023-02635-1

     

    Oh, yes, the Littman study. The problems with it were outlined in the link I sent you. 

    The major concern is that that study was done only with parent interviews, and did not involve any contact with the transgender youth.

     

How dare you let facts get in the way of a good narrative!

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Posted
3 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Can you provide evidence that this is happening on a grand scale?

Has been done many many times. I have posted half a dozen stories, others here have posted half a dozen stories, it would take you 5 seconds of net searching to find examples

Can you explain to me why you Woke folk always think that somehow you're winning an argument by sea lioning? You ask for the same information again and again and again and again and refuse to look it up yourselves and somehow you feel this is making a point. Which is especially stupid given the fact that when you are provided with the information you ignore it and try and move on to the next thing

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