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1 minute ago, Radiorum said:

Imbalance is your word, not mine. Hormones affect how the brain develops. It affects things like neurogenesis and gene expression. If you have a moment, the study I linked in the above post might fill you in.

kid you ignored everything I said and utterly failed to respond to her address any of it

Your dishonest piece of shit. You're here for 5 minutes and you can't even manage to hold an adult conversation. What are you like 13 or something?

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Who is "they"? 

Scientists. We've actually posted a number of research studies about this kind of stuff here and had discussions about it. You are way behind the times kiddo

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If a transgender person is treated with respect and compassion, if they are relieved of their guilt and shame, that goes a long way to relieving any mental issues they experience because of who they are.

If they experience mental issues, it is usually because of a lack of support from family and the community.

 

You come here and act like a jackass and then want to talk about what people are like if they're treated with respect and compassion?

If transgender people behave like you do they'll be lucky if they get off with just a punch in the face. You have absolutely no grounds to talk about treating people with respect. Come back when you can talk like an adult and have an honest discussion. And by come back I don't mean start yet another account tomorrow because you've been compromised yet again. If your behavior doesn't change then changing your account won't help

Posted
48 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Your dishonest piece of shit.

 

48 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

What are you like 13 or something?

 

48 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You come here and act like a jackass

 

49 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Come back when you can talk like an adult and have an honest discussion.

 

Now that is bait.jpeg

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Posted
1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

But I want to emphasize: Being transgender is not a mental illness. Their brains function normally. They just don’t match with their bodies. We need to believe them when they tell us who they are, and act accordingly.

There is nothing normal about thinking you are something you are not. 

If you have to ask them and believe them, then there is no science to back up your claim that it is hormones that make the brain think someone is something they are not.

What explains the massive increase in transgenders is social contagion. 

LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... 

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Posted
6 minutes ago, User said:

There is nothing normal about thinking you are something you are not. 

This opens up an interesting discussion about what is "normal." A both rhetorical and non-rhetorical question. 

Is it what is accepted? That begs the question - accepted by whom?

Is it what is "accepted by rule?" Then whose rule do we follow?

Does "normal" mean according to the "norm." But then what do we do with deviants? For there is much variation amoung the human population. Genetics is a fluid thing. 

Maybe we should be less judge and more fellow citizen.

14 minutes ago, User said:

What explains the massive increase in transgenders is social contagion. 

That doesn't make sense. Because declaring you are transgender, you know your life is going to get a lot harder, not a lot easier.

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Posted
11 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

This opens up an interesting discussion about what is "normal." A both rhetorical and non-rhetorical question. 

If your going to argue there is no such thing as normal now, then your original assertion that this was normal is meaningless. 

12 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Maybe we should be less judge and more fellow citizen.

Less judge how? You here asserting things, I am here pointing out how they are wrong and challenging them. You mean, you just get to assert whatever you want and no one should disagree?
 

14 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

That doesn't make sense. Because declaring you are transgender, you know your life is going to get a lot harder, not a lot easier.

Not really. It is the cool thing to do, get attention, special treatment, and when you are a child and have your parents pushing it on you, not much you can do about it when everyone else "affirms" that. 

 

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Posted
9 hours ago, User said:

If your going to argue there is no such thing as normal now, then your original assertion that this was normal is meaningless. 

The problem arises when what we call "normal" becomes the only thing accepted. When saying someone is not "normal" is used as a way to put them down, or invalidate them.

When you say "there is nothing normal about thinking you are something that you're not" - the first part of your statement depends on a fallacy - it's ludicrous to suggest a transgender person does not know who they are.

9 hours ago, User said:

You mean, you just get to assert whatever you want and no one should disagree?

I meant less judge of transgender persons.

9 hours ago, User said:

Not really. It is the cool thing to do, get attention, special treatment, and when you are a child and have your parents pushing it on you, not much you can do about it when everyone else "affirms" that. 

Well, that claim is not supported by the science. The available evidence undermines the "social contagion" hypothesis, as well as the idea of "rapid-onset gender dysphoria."

 https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/evidence-undermines-rapid-onset-gender-dysphoria-claims/

Posted
45 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

The problem arises when what we call "normal" becomes the only thing accepted. When saying someone is not "normal" is used as a way to put them down, or invalidate them.

When you say "there is nothing normal about thinking you are something that you're not" - the first part of your statement depends on a fallacy - it's ludicrous to suggest a transgender person does not know who they are.

I meant less judge of transgender persons.

Well, that claim is not supported by the science. The available evidence undermines the "social contagion" hypothesis, as well as the idea of "rapid-onset gender dysphoria."

 https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/evidence-undermines-rapid-onset-gender-dysphoria-claims/

This is pedantic taken to the Nth degree.

"Normal" is that which the vast majority is. The primary state of existence. That is "normal". Those who wish to, or find the need to exist outside what is "normal", are ABNORMAL.

As compassionate beings, we try to accept those who are ABNORMAL...well most of us do anyway. And herein lies the problem.

1. Some people feel threatened by the ABNORMAL because it rocks their stability. 

2. In order to co-exist, ABNORMAL folks need to have some compassion for normal folks and try not...rocking their stability. That means things like NOT introducing their ABNORMALITIES to the children of normal folks. It also means NOT trying to normalize the ABNORMAL. 

Now you know and as a compassionate person...

I'm sure you understand.

Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.

Posted (edited)
13 hours ago, Radiorum said:

This opens up an interesting discussion about what is "normal." A both rhetorical and non-rhetorical question. 

Is it what is accepted? That begs the question - accepted by whom?

Is it what is "accepted by rule?" Then whose rule do we follow?

Does "normal" mean according to the "norm." But then what do we do with deviants? For there is much variation amoung the human population. Genetics is a fluid thing. 

Maybe we should be less judge and more fellow citizen.

That doesn't make sense. Because declaring you are transgender, you know your life is going to get a lot harder, not a lot easier.

"Normal" is something people like you fight against regularly. Sometimes you guys win, and sometimes you lose, but one thing is for damn sure: You never, EVER shut the f*ck up. It's one reason for your successes to date. You're sort of like Jason, or Michael Myers, from the horror films - you never go away. 

 

 

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Posted
3 hours ago, Radiorum said:

The problem arises when what we call "normal" becomes the only thing accepted. When saying someone is not "normal" is used as a way to put them down, or invalidate them.

When you say "there is nothing normal about thinking you are something that you're not" - the first part of your statement depends on a fallacy - it's ludicrous to suggest a transgender person does not know who they are.

It is simply a statement of fact. 

If someone says they are a cat... they are in fact, not a cat. 

If a male says they are a female, they are in fact, not a female. It is not normal to think you are something you are not. 

3 hours ago, Radiorum said:

I meant less judge of transgender persons.

And as I asked... what does that mean then? Because in this context, it doesn't appear to mean anything other than you get to make your bad arguments and if I disagree then that is bad judgment. 

3 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Well, that claim is not supported by the science. The available evidence undermines the "social contagion" hypothesis, as well as the idea of "rapid-onset gender dysphoria."

Yes, it is supported. I made no assertions of "rapid-onset gender dysphoria"

Of course though, when you see some left wing nitwit with all transgender kids, I am sure it is all just natural... yeah right. 

 

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Posted
5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Some people feel threatened by the ABNORMAL because it rocks their stability. 

Well, whose problem is that? Sounds like fear - as in transphobic.

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

In order to co-exist, ABNORMAL folks need to have some compassion for normal folks and try not...rocking their stability.

You mean as in allowing themselves to be suppressed/oppressed for the comfort of others?

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

It also means NOT trying to normalize the ABNORMAL. 

What is abnormal for you is normal for them.

 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

What is abnormal for you is normal for them.

Ah... back to obfuscating the meaning of normal.

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Posted
3 hours ago, User said:

If a male says they are a female, they are in fact, not a female. It is not normal to think you are something you are not. 

Is "what you are" - who you are - your identity - stored in your body or your brain?

I'm going to quote myself here in case you missed my previous post:

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Both our bodies and our brains are dimorphic (differentiate to male or female). But the developmental processes that differentiate a body and differentiate a brain are two different processes.

In the first trimester of pregnancy, the body sexually differentiates under the influence of genes – and either testes or ovaries develop.

During the last trimester of pregnancy, the brain sexually differentiates under the influence of genes and hormones – and either a male or female brain develops.

Usually, these two processes are coincident – (male body + male brain or female body + female brain) and a cisgender person is born.

But sometimes, the brain develops the opposite gender from the body – (male body + female brain or female body + male brain) and a transgender person is born.

 

 

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Posted
Just now, Radiorum said:

Is "what you are" - who you are - your identity - stored in your body or your brain?

The brain is part of the body. Ask a better question. Also, what do you mean by "stored?"

All you are doing is trying to obfuscate my obvious factual assertion. 

3 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

But sometimes, the brain develops the opposite gender from the body – (male body + female brain or female body + male brain) and a transgender person is born.

Yes, and aliens sometimes abduct babies out of the womb and then put them back in after Big Foot operates on their brains making it a female brain in a male body or vice versa. 

Either way, that doesn't make the person a male a female or a female a male... anymore than when the aliens abudct someone and put a brain back in that makes them think they are a cat... means they are actually a cat. 

 

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Posted
14 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Well, whose problem is that? Sounds like fear - as in transphobic.

You mean as in allowing themselves to be suppressed/oppressed for the comfort of others?

What is abnormal for you is normal for them.

 

1. It's the problem of the abnormal...sint they are the vast minority. And I agree. It is transphobic. And?

2. Suppressed? Oppressed? How? If a porn star presented straight porn to kids, I'd be just as opposed to it. If a woman insisted I call her "Sir", I'd laugh in her face. If a man competed in women's sports, I'd be dead set against it. And if a straight man decided to beat the snot out of some tranny in a bar, I'd step in to defend the tranny. 

3. Stop trying to redefine or obfuscate the obvious. You're embarrassing yourself.

Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.

Posted
10 minutes ago, User said:

The brain is part of the body. Ask a better question.

It seems you are purposefully being obtuse.

10 minutes ago, User said:

Also, what do you mean by "stored?"

Okay, let's start by understanding what your identity is. It's who you are. It's the sum total of all your thoughts and feelings and motivations and perceptions and your take on the world. It's your self-awareness and your decision-making processes and your understanding of yourself.

All of that is in your brain.

To all cisgender males: can you imagine if you had all the same thought processes, perceptions, feelings, motivations, self-awareness, etc. you have now, but you had breasts and a vagina? How would that mess you up?

To all cisgender females: can you imagine if you had all the same thought processes, perceptions, feelings, motivations, self-awareness, etc. you have now, but you had a penis? How would that mess you up?

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Posted (edited)
10 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

It seems you are purposefully being obtuse.

Okay, let's start by understanding what your identity is. It's who you are. It's the sum total of all your thoughts and feelings and motivations and perceptions and your take on the world. It's your self-awareness and your decision-making processes and your understanding of yourself.

All of that is in your brain.

To all cisgender males: can you imagine if you had all the same thought processes, perceptions, feelings, motivations, self-awareness, etc. you have now, but you had breasts and a vagina? How would that mess you up?

To all cisgender females: can you imagine if you had all the same thought processes, perceptions, feelings, motivations, self-awareness, etc. you have now, but you had a penis? How would that mess you up?

You're making this needlessly complicated.

The OP asks whether you're a man or a woman. Which option did you choose? 

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Posted
13 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

It's the problem of the abnormal...sint they are the vast minority. And I agree. It is transphobic. And?

We can't make policy based on disgust. We either guarantee the rights of all, or human rights become meaningless.

14 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Suppressed? Oppressed? How?

By denying them for who they are. And the simple fact is that transgender individuals are much more likely to be victims of crimes than criminals.

15 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

And if a straight man decided to beat the snot out of some tranny in a bar, I'd step in to defend the tranny. 

Good for you! Glad to hear it.

15 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Stop trying to redefine or obfuscate the obvious.

But it is what I do best. 

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Posted (edited)
19 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

1. We can't make policy based on disgust. We either guarantee the rights of all, or human rights become meaningless.

2. By denying them for who they are. And the simple fact is that transgender individuals are much more likely to be victims of crimes than criminals.

1. Rights for all are already guaranteed. What you want is even more rights for people you take a special interest in. 

2. Rather, it's by denying them for who they think they are, but that is perfectly acceptable; this isn't a fantasy roleplaying game - it's reality. 

10 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Lol. Should I talk slower?

Yes. A lot slower. lol

How did you vote on that poll? 

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Posted
37 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

It seems you are purposefully being obtuse.

No, just pointing out the stupidity of your question. 

38 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

All of that is in your brain.

Except, you are not here talking about what someone identifies as. I can identify as a cat... it doesn't make me a cat. 

39 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

To all cisgender males:

Just males. 

39 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

To all cisgender females:

Just females. 

 

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Posted
32 minutes ago, Deluge said:

What you want is even more rights for people you take a special interest in. 

Like what?

33 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Rather, it's by denying them for who they think they are

On this point, we disagree. Who are you to tell them that they are wrong?

33 minutes ago, Deluge said:

How did you vote on that poll? 

Here’s how I define myself:

I am a vast population of cells with amazing powers. I can gather information from the environment – be aware of what is not me! – and create from that. I can be the breeze, or I can be the sunrise. I can be a storm, or I can be a fluffy blanket. Nobody knows how to be me, but me. I reach out, and I triumph within. I drink my coffee, and maybe a vodka later in the day, and I tell myself, “Everything is going to be okay.”

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Posted
7 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

1. Like what?

2. On this point, we disagree. Who are you to tell them that they are wrong?

3. Here’s how I define myself:

I am a vast population of cells with amazing powers. I can gather information from the environment – be aware of what is not me! – and create from that. I can be the breeze, or I can be the sunrise. I can be a storm, or I can be a fluffy blanket. Nobody knows how to be me, but me. I reach out, and I triumph within. I drink my coffee, and maybe a vodka later in the day, and I tell myself, “Everything is going to be okay.”

1. Acceptance of the gender agenda: 

https://www.heritage.org/gender/heritage-explains/the-lefts-new-gender-agenda

2. I'm sure we disagree on a lot of points. I'm the one to tell men who think they're women that they're actually men. That's who I am. 

3. And I am telling that you are not OK. lol

Since most forum members on here are male, I'm going to assume you are a male and address you as if you were a male because that is what you probably are. 

Welcome aboard, or back depending on when you got here. ;) 

Posted
8 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Acceptance of the gender agenda: 

The Heritage Foundation is notoriously far right-wing, so I am skeptical of their bias.

10 minutes ago, Deluge said:

I'm sure we disagree on a lot of points. I'm the one to tell men who think they're women that they're actually men. That's who I am. 

A little bit of reading and contemplation might change your mind....

10 minutes ago, Deluge said:

And I am telling that you are not OK. lol

Lol. Thanks. I feel okay. I'm really one who does not come to conclusions based on whim or fancy, but by careful consideration. Things have to feel right to me, you know? 

12 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Since most forum members on here are male, I'm going to assume you are a male

Whether I am male or female is irrelevant. Address me as a fellow intellectual.

13 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Welcome aboard, or back depending on when you got here.

Thank you! I never heard of this place before last Friday, and I am glad I joined. 

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Posted
29 minutes ago, Deluge said:

I  have had a chance to scan this article. Yeah, it's uninformed.

From the article:

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And so what the debate is really about is whether somebody's sort of subjective or even their report of their subjective internal feelings should have essentially legislative control over how everyone else thinks and speaks. 

See, when they couch the “debate” in these terms, it shows a marked lack of understanding of what it means to be transgender as well as the false presumption that the government will now control what people think and say.

They even refer to the "the sexual left." Talk about creating a "us vs. them" scenario!

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