It's time for a serious discussion about the future of America

[impartialobserver]

2 hours ago, SkyHigh said:

Son, I'm less afraid of a man with no legs in an ass kicking contest, than I am of you 

You rarely post anything outside your ignorant personal opinions, that often change during a conversation, you have no actual sustained political philosophy or any ability or interest to participate in good faith conversations.

Or, ya boring!

The impassioned, adamant, confrontational nature of certain Internet forum posters is probably born from them from frustration at their own ineffectiveness. In the grand scheme, they are being left behind, made obsolete, etc. and it really bothers them. So as an outlet.. they come on here and vent. They know that they have no impact on the big picture. Nothing that they say will change anything. 

[SkyHigh]

21 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

The impassioned, adamant, confrontational nature of certain Internet forum posters is probably born from them from frustration at their own ineffectiveness. In the grand scheme, they are being left behind, made obsolete, etc. and it really bothers them. So as an outlet.. they come on here and vent. They know that they have no impact on the big picture. Nothing that they say will change anything. 

I could not have put that better 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, SkyHigh said:

Son, I'm less afraid of a man with no legs in an ass kicking contest, than I am of you 

IT's quite obvious you're frightened.  Your're like a little dog who hides behind his fence and barks when the big dogs go by by but then flees with tail between legs if the gate gets opened. 

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You rarely post anything outside your ignorant personal opinions, that often change during a conversation, you have no actual sustained political philosophy or any ability or interest to participate in good faith conversations.

OH NOES!!! I"M POSTING OPINIONS ON A DISCUSSION FORUM!!!!!

That's what a discussion forum is for kid.   Hate to break it to you.

I very often do post quite a bit of facts and reports and studies to back up my opinion. And my opinions rarely change unless someone actually presents some logical reason for them to change. And if they do fair enough, i'll listen. 

SO really what this is about is you being afraid of getting clobbered in a debate or discussion. Sounds (and looks) like you're one of those dishonest players who tries to get by on debate tricks and fallacies rather than facts reason or logic and i eat that kind of person alive. 

Just debate and discuss honestly without playing games and i'll go easy on you.  Act like  a twat and get treated like one. 

 

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Or, ya boring!

Or,  ya frightened  Go change your underwear and behave honestly and you'll be fine. Or run away and stick your head in the sand like a coward, up to you. 

[SkyHigh]

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

IT's quite obvious you're frightened.  Your're like a little dog who hides behind his fence and barks when the big dogs go by by but then flees with tail between legs if the gate gets opened. 

OH NOES!!! I"M POSTING OPINIONS ON A DISCUSSION FORUM!!!!!

That's what a discussion forum is for kid.   Hate to break it to you.

I very often do post quite a bit of facts and reports and studies to back up my opinion. And my opinions rarely change unless someone actually presents some logical reason for them to change. And if they do fair enough, i'll listen. 

SO really what this is about is you being afraid of getting clobbered in a debate or discussion. Sounds (and looks) like you're one of those dishonest players who tries to get by on debate tricks and fallacies rather than facts reason or logic and i eat that kind of person alive. 

Just debate and discuss honestly without playing games and i'll go easy on you.  Act like  a twat and get treated like one. 

 

Or,  ya frightened  Go change your underwear and behave honestly and you'll be fine. Or run away and stick your head in the sand like a coward, up to you. 

Do you have a crush on me? Sorry kiddo I'm straight .

It's the only reason I can think that you're so obsessed with continuing a conversation with someone (that for whatever reason, you can pretend it's because I'm "scared" , when we both know it's just because you have nothing else in your life and this is the only way anyone will interact with you and since you don't and probably never had love around you, the only emotional validation you know is anger and for some reason think that if people get upset with you , you some how win ) that has no interest in speaking with you.

So go play your silly juvenile games with someone else, there are plenty of people on this forum on the other side of your political "beliefs" that are as devoid of reason as you ,

I am someone interested only in good faith conversations and you sir don't know the meaning of the term.

So for the last time, I say Good day 

[Yakuda]

On 10/4/2024 at 4:23 PM, SkyHigh said:

Or you could have just told me after my first comment.

I care little about what American politicians say and certainly don't spend anytime going over their speeches, but ya I'm not using my brain because I didn't know it was Kamala. 

Again it is high school philosophy regardless of who said it. We actually agree yet you're to dense to have realized this, explained it and decided to pick a fight when I had confirmed the "point" you were trying to make.

Whos not using their brain?

You're not using your brain. First you didn't recognize the stupidity of the OP as being Harris. About 90% of that OP was a mash up of stupid drivel actually uttered by the cackling kamal. Next you actually thought there was something useful in all that drivel which only means when the cackling kamal speaks you people think she has a point. If you actually used your brain, besides getting a headache, you would realize the cackling kamal is full of shit but alas...

[WestCanMan]

On 10/6/2024 at 10:39 AM, SkyHigh said:

I'm a left wing cultist.

Evidence.

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

I will agree that Harris needs to work on being more concise and succinct in her speech. 

She needs to work on pretending that she'd actually be the president. 

All she does is read from the teleprompter and take occasional pre-screened questions from friendly reporters. No one knows what she really thinks.

We're supposed to believe that between the ages of 55 and 59 she had 180 degree changes in her policy positions on major things like border walls, deportation, defunding police, supporting violent riots, and that she learned enough from Bidenflation to suddenly run a successful economy that includes price controls. 

So what if she rejects the teleprompter after she's elected, and goes back to all of her 'old' ways of just 4 years ago? Who are you electing io? Is it:

1. Real 2020 Kamala, who thought that walls were racist and who supported violent riots & defund police, or
2. teleprompter Kamala, who doesn't answer questions from the media but claims to have changed course 180 degrees in 4 years? 

[impartialobserver]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

She needs to work on pretending that she'd actually be the president. 

All she does is read from the teleprompter and take occasional pre-screened questions from friendly reporters. No one knows what she really thinks.

We're supposed to believe that between the ages of 55 and 59 she had 180 degree changes in her policy positions on major things like border walls, deportation, defunding police, supporting violent riots, and that she learned enough from Bidenflation to suddenly run a successful economy that includes price controls. 

So what if she rejects the teleprompter after she's elected, and goes back to all of her 'old' ways of just 4 years ago? Who are you electing io? Is it:

1. Real 2020 Kamala, who thought that walls were racist and who supported violent riots & defund police, or
2. teleprompter Kamala, who doesn't answer questions from the media but claims to have changed course 180 degrees in 4 years? 

First, I am not going to vote for her 
Second, my guess is that if elected you get a mix of the two qualities that you listed. 

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Second, my guess is that if elected you get a mix of the two qualities that you listed. 

That's honestly the reason that undecideds don't want to vote for her: like you, they feel like they have to guess who they're electing. 

[impartialobserver]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That's honestly the reason that undecideds don't want to vote for her: like you, they feel like they have to guess who they're electing. 

I vote 3rd party roughly 98% of the time. The only exceptions are when there is no option (one candidate running) and on the rare exception that a candidate actually fits what I want. 

[Matthew]

On 10/4/2024 at 5:31 AM, Michael Hardner said:

I feel like there's a rise in ACTUAL socialism happening, quietly in the background just as these clowns try to name-call neoliberal centrists as commies...

I think 2015-2016 saw a moderate increase in people in the US who have a positive attitude towards socialism, peaking and leveling off somewhere in the 30-40% range. As an ideology by itself it's too complicated for most people in the absence of any plainspoken American political figure advocating that viewpoint.

Edited October 7, 2024 by Matthew

[Matthew]

On 10/4/2024 at 9:43 AM, Legato said:

But I am speaking to you which qualifies.

Perhaps, if we were to ever have an actual conversation. So far I'm not sure you're really the conversation type though.

[Michael Hardner]

50 minutes ago, Matthew said:

I think 2015-2016 saw a moderate increase in people in the US who have a positive attitude towards socialism, peaking and leveling off somewhere in the 30-40% range. As an ideology by itself it's too complicated for most people in the absence of any plainspoken American political figure advocating that viewpoint.

And yet the populist message is about elites?

[SkyHigh]

6 hours ago, Yakuda said:

You're not using your brain. First you didn't recognize the stupidity of the OP as being Harris. About 90% of that OP was a mash up of stupid drivel actually uttered by the cackling kamal. Next you actually thought there was something useful in all that drivel which only means when the cackling kamal speaks you people think she has a point. If you actually used your brain, besides getting a headache, you would realize the cackling kamal is full of shit but alas...

Again with the you people.

Ya bore me 

Good day 

[SkyHigh]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Evidence.

Are you Sherlock Holmes?

Got any good opium, hahaha 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, SkyHigh said:

Again with the you people.

Ya bore me 

Good day 

Awww did @Yakuda scare you too?  Poor guy  

[WestCanMan]

On 10/4/2024 at 3:31 AM, Michael Hardner said:

I feel like there's a rise in ACTUAL socialism happening, quietly in the background just as these clowns try to name-call neoliberal centrists as commies...

I know for a fact that you guys can cheer on fascism as it grows all around you, as long as your leader wears nice socks and promises you sunshine, inclusivity, and then harshly demonizes people you dislike. 

Honestly, you don't even ask for peace, land and bread anymore. Leftists just say "If you promise to make the weather gooder and let women have abortions whenever they want, you can censor anything you want, force people to take injections that they don't need, and seize the bank accounts of dissidents."

[Yakuda]

16 hours ago, SkyHigh said:

Again with the you people.

Ya bore me 

Good day 

You should run away. It's your smartest move

12 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Awww did @Yakuda scare you too?  Poor guy  

That one can't seem to muster up any intellectual energy. 

[SkyHigh]

1 hour ago, Yakuda said:

You should run away. It's your smartest move

Son , I've asked the same question multiple times and not only won't you respond but continue to use the same nonsense statement,if anyone is running it's you and your smartest move , would be akin to the thinnest guy at fat camp , still in no way, shape or form smart.

Go find another numbskull to trade grade school insults with. I'm only interested in real conversations, or

Ya bore me 

I say Good day 

 

[Yakuda]

11 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

Son , I've asked the same question multiple times and not only won't you respond but continue to use the same nonsense statement,if anyone is running it's you and your smartest move , would be akin to the thinnest guy at fat camp , still in no way, shape or form smart.

Go find another numbskull to trade grade school insults with. I'm only interested in real conversations, or

Ya bore me 

I say Good day 

 

You can't be that bored, junior, because you keep replying. You people are hilarious 

[Yakuda]

On 10/7/2024 at 9:41 AM, SkyHigh said:

Son, I'm less afraid of a man with no legs in an ass kicking contest, than I am of you 

You rarely post anything outside your ignorant personal opinions, that often change during a conversation, you have no actual sustained political philosophy or any ability or interest to participate in good faith conversations.

Or, ya boring!

So you're more afraid of him than a man with no legs in an ass kicking to test?????? 

[SkyHigh]

12 minutes ago, Yakuda said:

You can't be that bored, junior, because you keep replying. You people are hilarious 

Iast time I make that mistake 

(But I do reserve the right to make fun of something illogical, nonsensical or ignorant you may post in the future)

Good day 

[CdnFox]

25 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

Iast time I make that mistake 

He said while making that mistake again. 

Why don't you learn to just talk to people? If it turns out you're wrong about something you'll survive. But honestly so far you bring nothing and your "i'm bored' routine is an obvious cover for your fears and self esteem issues. 

For the most part if you just talk to people here they'll listen.  No tricks, no grade three debate tactics. 

[SkyHigh]

19 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

He said while making that mistake again. 

Why don't you learn to just talk to people? If it turns out you're wrong about something you'll survive. But honestly so far you bring nothing and your "i'm bored' routine is an obvious cover for your fears and self esteem issues. 

For the most part if you just talk to people here they'll listen.  No tricks, no grade three debate tactics. 

As for being wrong I often am.

I like to say that I know I'm not a idiōt because I know I'm an idiōt , so to go back to some Greeks that were smarter than both of us, Socrates (I think) says the best arguments are those you went into wrong, because you leave knowing more true things then you did, and that is my objective in almost every conversation I enter.

As for just talking with people, I do with those interested in actually participating in a good faith conversation and I don't believe you are. In other words 

Ya boring 

 

[CdnFox]

40 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

As for being wrong I often am.

 

I didn't say you were wrong. 

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I like to say that I know I'm not a idiōt because I know I'm an idiōt ,

Ok ... that's not really how 1diocy works but ...

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so to go back to some Greeks that were smarter than both of us, Socrates (I think) says the best arguments are those you went into wrong, because you leave knowing more true things then you did, and that is my objective in almost every conversation I enter.

well, your actions don't match your words.

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As for just talking with people, I do with those interested in actually participating in a good faith conversation and I don't believe you are.

Again that does not match your actions.  And further you're using that as an excuse to avoid discussions where you may not like what you hear.  Which is precisely the opposite of what Socrates suggested.  Which would suggest you're the one with 'bad faith' intentions.  

You learn nothing from people you already agree with, which is really what you seem to mean by 'good faith'. It can be a little uncomfortable to debate against someone who holds different opinions especially if they're on the same or higher intellectual level as you, because it causes you to doubt your perceived superiority. 

In other words 

Ya scared.

Get over it and have conversations with people instead of trying to pretend they're 'boring' or stupid or whatever. You can always make fun of them later if they start being insulting or make illogical statements.  That's what i do. Which is why im' picking on you right now     Do better.