ExFlyer Posted September 27 Report Posted September 27 55 minutes ago, blackbird said: You are wacko man. I never said anything about agreeing with or supporting their Communist system. You love to lie. Oh phuk off you communist dictator loving piece of $hit You have gone so far down hill you must be having personal conversations the the man down there LOL Calling me a liar is the start of your decent into hell. Don't even start with me....you will lose and I can beat you down to your essence. Quit while you have a pittance of dignity. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
herbie Posted September 27 Report Posted September 27 That explains why N American EVs are $20,000 more than Chinas. The workers make so much more there they produce cars cheaper.... 1 Quote
Nefarious Banana Posted September 27 Report Posted September 27 Just bought a ticket to China . . . never liked owning anything anyway and the food is great. Will be managing the govt. owned 'Rat On A Stick' food cart. Quote
blackbird Posted September 28 Author Report Posted September 28 9 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: Well the truth of the matter is, people will flock to countries where their quality of life will improve for them and their children. If China or India was like this, we would inevitably see millions of Africans, Ukrainians, and people from other parts of Asia and Eastern Europe waiting to immigrate there. Here is something that I think not many people know. When asked why he lives in China a lot, this Canadian said: "Let's face it; being an old white guy in China is much better than being in Canada. How better you may ask? I get the "movie star" treatment very often. People give me their seat in the metro, people press my floor elevator for me. Basically, I have white privilege, and nobody points it as being bad." He also says there is a kind of respect for older people. Quote
DUI_Offender Posted September 28 Report Posted September 28 13 hours ago, blackbird said: Here is something that I think not many people know. When asked why he lives in China a lot, this Canadian said: "Let's face it; being an old white guy in China is much better than being in Canada. How better you may ask? I get the "movie star" treatment very often. People give me their seat in the metro, people press my floor elevator for me. Basically, I have white privilege, and nobody points it as being bad." He also says there is a kind of respect for older people. Like this? Quote
blackbird Posted September 28 Author Report Posted September 28 37 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: Like this? Interesting video. Not a place I would visit. Poverty and garbage everywhere. Probably lots of criminals. Quote
blackbird Posted September 28 Author Report Posted September 28 My acquaintance showed a photo of his KFC meal in China which was six dollars. Very good deal. Quote
blackbird Posted September 28 Author Report Posted September 28 (edited) While there are some good things about China, I wouldn't choose to live there myself. There is a lack of fundamental freedoms such as freedom of religion and freedom of speech. One must be careful there not to go against the system. Bible-believers would have to live underground so to speak or end up in prison for decades as many have. It has some advantages such as the cost of living, low cost of rent, compared with Canada. Why Canada has fallen into such a costly mess is hard to fathom. Edited September 28 by blackbird Quote
eyeball Posted September 29 Report Posted September 29 9 hours ago, blackbird said: Not a place I would visit. Why not? There're millions of souls in need of salvation. Same with China. WWJD? 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted September 29 Report Posted September 29 On 9/27/2024 at 4:18 PM, Nefarious Banana said: Just bought a ticket to China . . . never liked owning anything anyway and the food is great. Will be managing the govt. owned 'Rat On A Stick' food cart. WOW! It wasn't that long ago all you could get was MOUSE on a stick. A rat is a far more satisfying portion!! PROGRESS!!!! 6 minutes ago, eyeball said: Why not? There're millions of souls in need of salvation. Same with China. WWJD? pretty sure they lock up christian types over there. You'd love it. 1 Quote
Mathieub Posted September 29 Report Posted September 29 It's the public scene that is different. I'm sure there is good price in Canada for friends and family. Note that I think that low price in the public scene is better. Quote
blackbird Posted September 29 Author Report Posted September 29 13 hours ago, eyeball said: Why not? There're millions of souls in need of salvation. Same with China. WWJD? I am not called to go to a far off country to be a missionary. There is work to do right here. Life is a struggle in lots of ways but I trust in Jesus Christ to get me through it. You still don't believe and need to study the gospel of John and become a believer yourself. You haven't shown any interest at all. Do you want to have eternal life? The time is now. Quote
Nefarious Banana Posted September 29 Report Posted September 29 21 minutes ago, blackbird said: I am not called to go to a far off country to be a missionary. There is work to do right here. Life is a struggle in lots of ways but I trust in Jesus Christ to get me through it. Early missionaries to North America . . . 'hell and damnation' if the natives kept with their own religion/belief system of 'mother earth & father sky' that will provide for you or kill you. How arrogant of the missionaries and the hierocracy that sent them there to 'convert' .... Burn in hell if you didn't understand that three weirdos on a humpbacked animal strange to NA, followed a star. Parting of the water, baby in a floating coffin, etc., etc., etc. How arrogant of you to pooh-pooh others belief systems that may/may not work for them ... just as your belief system may/may not work for you. Why don't you keep your zealotry out of your posts? 1 Quote
Old Guy Posted September 29 Report Posted September 29 On 9/27/2024 at 8:58 AM, blackbird said: On 9/27/2024 at 9:11 AM, blackbird said: There is nothing wrong with comparing income and standard of living between different countries. What reason do you have for saying that? Leave aside the notion of political systems and countries what you are in essence comparing are two competing economic systems. One where the state owns the means of production and where decision making naturally becomes more centralized. The other where the means of production are held privately whether by individuals or corporations and where decision making is more competitive and more polarized. Keep in mind that neither of these systems are pure. Communist countries have some private ownership and in capitalist countries some assets are owned by the state. The question then becomes which system is more efficient at creating and distributing wealth? Prior to the economic reforms in China which led to easing up own state control wealth equality was higher but innovation and production suffered. By 1998 when the reforms allow more free enterprise and market forces production increased and the wealth gap increased. This gap is measured by the GINI Index The latest figures I found were in this article. The larger the number the wider the gap. Canada 31.7, China 37.1, USA 39.8, Mexico 43. I included the US and Mexico because they are both along with Canada North American with an economic treaty. At least on this measure Canada is doing better than its neighbors and China. Quote
Old Guy Posted September 29 Report Posted September 29 On 9/27/2024 at 8:26 AM, blackbird said: If it is true that the average person in China, a Communist dictatorship, has a better standard of living than the average Canadian, we are in serious trouble. But I am not sure my figures are correct. It doesn't really make much sense. Can it be possible that the average Chinese person has a better standard of living than the average Canadian? Why can't we be compared to other countries including Communist countries? Are you nuts? Here are some comparisons relative to your assertion that China has a higher standard of living than Canada. In some areas they are ahead and some we are better. Of course larger populations tend to benefit from economies of scale so comparing Canada and China is a questionable exercise. Quote
Old Guy Posted September 29 Report Posted September 29 On 9/27/2024 at 8:52 PM, blackbird said: Here is something that I think not many people know. When asked why he lives in China a lot, this Canadian said: "Let's face it; being an old white guy in China is much better than being in Canada. How better you may ask? I get the "movie star" treatment very often. People give me their seat in the metro, people press my floor elevator for me. Basically, I have white privilege, and nobody points it as being bad." He also says there is a kind of respect for older people. This has more to do with multigenerational families where older people remain in the family and do what they can to contribute to the family by helping prepare meals and looking after children. The nuclear family changed all that some would say for the worse. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted September 29 Report Posted September 29 Maybe because China don't import so many immigrants. Like 1.5% of their population every year. Also label is cheaper in China and workers don't have rights or unions in China. Quote
blackbird Posted September 29 Author Report Posted September 29 6 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Maybe because China don't import so many immigrants. Like 1.5% of their population every year. Also label is cheaper in China and workers don't have rights or unions in China. Since you mentioned rights and unions, I would have to question some of what some unions get and how they hold such vital jobs that they can make far higher salaries than most people. Take longshoremen in Vancouver for example. When they go on strike, they are in a position to hold the country hostage and I would say extort much higher salaries and contract benefits than most other workers. Is this reasonable? The average wage for a Vancouver longshoreman is $100, 841 per year. Then there are grocery store workers, drug store workers, fast food workers, all barely earning a little more than minimum wage. Hardly enough to live on, especially if you have a family. Quote
DUI_Offender Posted September 29 Report Posted September 29 6 hours ago, blackbird said: I am not called to go to a far off country to be a missionary. There is work to do right here. Life is a struggle in lots of ways but I trust in Jesus Christ to get me through it. A political forum is the last place that would be receptive to missionary work. However, why not? I mean you have gone on and on about China favourably. You should really look at doing missionary work there. 6 hours ago, blackbird said: You still don't believe and need to study the gospel of John and become a believer yourself. You haven't shown any interest at all. Do you want to have eternal life? The time is now. This is why people hate Christians. It's one thing to suggest converting to people. It's quite another to start insulting them in they are not interested, and threaten them with eternal damnation. Quote
blackbird Posted September 29 Author Report Posted September 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said: A political forum is the last place that would be receptive to missionary work. However, why not? I mean you have gone on and on about China favourably. You should really look at doing missionary work there. This is why people hate Christians. It's one thing to suggest converting to people. It's quite another to start insulting them in they are not interested, and threaten them with eternal damnation. I am just replying to comments made to me. I don't insult nearly as much as you do. At least I try to avoid insulting. It is better to receive insults than to give them. I have had more than my share. I am insulted simply because I am a bible believer, even if I am just talking about politics or anything. Hate is the name of it. 1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said: This is why people hate Christians. Nope. People hate Christians because that is just the way it is. Always has been. Jesus said that is the way it would be. It is part of being a Christian. If the world loves you, beware. That is price to pay for just being a Christian. 1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said: threaten them with eternal damnation. I only convey what the Bible says. Don't say somebody didn't try to warn you. Edited September 29 by blackbird Quote
blackbird Posted September 29 Author Report Posted September 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said: I mean you have gone on and on about China favourably Only pointing out a few things that show that our government is not on the right track. It's pretty bad when even a Communist country is doing better that a western country in some things. It is not advocating Communism, but our country needs to look closely at what it is doing wrong. Why such outrageous prices for rent, homes, and other things? Somethings not right. Why should some people make over 100 thousand a year for a labour or trade type job while other people get a little more than minimum wage? Edited September 29 by blackbird Quote
blackbird Posted September 29 Author Report Posted September 29 (edited) Election campaigns are all about promising everything possible to get votes. It is up to the voter to decide who is telling the truth, what is best, and who is making phony promises just to get elected. Edited September 29 by blackbird Quote
blackbird Posted September 29 Author Report Posted September 29 6 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said: How arrogant of you to pooh-pooh others belief systems that may/may not work for them .. If you think I am wrong, your argument is with God and the Bible. Quote
DUI_Offender Posted September 30 Report Posted September 30 (edited) 1 hour ago, blackbird said: Why should some people make over 100 thousand a year for a labour or trade type job while other people get a little more than minimum wage? I would be more worried about thee people ( cough....Punjabis....cough) who are making a killing buying up real estate, and then renting rooms out like slumlords, or all the corruption of big business. To blame this on red seal tradesmen? You are out of touch with reality. Edited September 30 by DUI_Offender Quote
blackbird Posted September 30 Author Report Posted September 30 10 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said: Early missionaries to North America . . . 'hell and damnation' if the natives kept with their own religion/belief system of 'mother earth & father sky' that will provide for you or kill you. It is not just Mother Earth or animism or worship of birds and animals that happened. Guess you don't know about the heathen barbaric practices that took place in central and south America, Africa, southeast Asia, and other places in the world before missionaries and Europeans arrived. The fact is some aboriginals practiced human sacrifice. Yes, babies were offered to the heathen gods. There were other things that people now would find abhorrent. But of course many people don't know about these things. "Human sacrifice and other forms of ritual violence were widespread in the pre-Columbian Americas. This chapter focuses on ritual violence and human sacrifice in the ranked and stratified societies in the south-western and south-eastern culture areas of North America, in Mesoamerica, and the central Andes. It argues that, at least in some cultures, human sacrifices represented regular donations of energy to the supernatural sphere, a kind of “food for the gods” to maintain the cosmos. This kind of energizing was extended to deified humans. Companions and retainers were sacrificed as attendants of deceased high-ranking personages. Thus, the afterlife mirrored the social hierarchy on earth. Humans were also offered for the dedication and sanctification of temples. Some sacrificial victims became impersonators or representations of deities and other supernatural powers in ritual re-enactments of particular myths. They were considered messengers or mediators in the communication with the spiritual sphere. Humans were sacrificed as special donations pleading or reciprocating for certain benefits, such as a good harvest. The sacrifice could be an act of expiation, penitence and relinquishment redressing faults or sins of the sacrificing individual or collective." Human Sacrifice and Ritualised Violence in the Americas before the European Conquest (Chapter 19) - The Cambridge World History of Violence Was colonization of the Americas really as bad as some now claim? I don't think so. Quote
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