I am old enough to remember when using foreign allies for politics was an impeachable offense...

[User]

I am all about supporting Ukraine and funding their war efforts against Russia... what I am not for is this administration flying him to a battleground state during the election in what amounts to using him for their campaign. 

This administration used military assets to fly him to America, to a battleground state, where he is engaged in politics against their rival. 

Zelensky calls Vance ‘too radical,’ suggests he study WWII

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4895400-volodymyr-zelensky-jd-vance-too-radical/

"Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said in a new interview with The New Yorker that Ohio Sen. JD Vance (R), the Republican nominee for vice president, “is too radical.”

[WestCanMan]

Is electing a comedian to be president of your country to start a war with Russia radical?

Is having a Nazi Battalion in the army too radical for Mr Zelenski? 

Is it worth all of these lives just to get Ukraine into NATO, or is that kinda radical? 

Maybe he is trying to use urban slang: "The Vancester is like, way to raaad, bruhhh."

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, User said:

I am all about supporting Ukraine and funding their war efforts against Russia... what I am not for is this administration flying him to a battleground state during the election in what amounts to using him for their campaign. 

This administration used military assets to fly him to America, to a battleground state, where he is engaged in politics against their rival. 

Zelensky calls Vance ‘too radical,’ suggests he study WWII

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4895400-volodymyr-zelensky-jd-vance-too-radical/

"Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said in a new interview with The New Yorker that Ohio Sen. JD Vance (R), the Republican nominee for vice president, “is too radical.”

Yeah, that's not really ok.  If trump gets in and completely dumps on him he'd kind of have it coming for 'choosing sides'.  I said the same thing about our politicians speaking out during the us elections and taking sides. Whomever wins they've got to work with that guy and if that person perceives them as being their political rival that may not go all that smoothly. 

 

[Rebound]

3 hours ago, User said:

I am all about supporting Ukraine and funding their war efforts against Russia... what I am not for is this administration flying him to a battleground state during the election in what amounts to using him for their campaign. 

This administration used military assets to fly him to America, to a battleground state, where he is engaged in politics against their rival. 

Zelensky calls Vance ‘too radical,’ suggests he study WWII

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4895400-volodymyr-zelensky-jd-vance-too-radical/

"Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said in a new interview with The New Yorker that Ohio Sen. JD Vance (R), the Republican nominee for vice president, “is too radical.”

What state was he flown to?

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Is electing a comedian to be president of your country to start a war with Russia radical?

Blaming a country and it's leader which was invaded for the invasion is VERY RADICAL.

We should invade Canada and blame Canada for provoking the invasion. LMAO

[User]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

What state was he flown to?

Pennsylvania

 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

Blaming a country and it's leader which was invaded for the invasion is VERY RADICAL.

We should invade Canada and blame Canada for provoking the invasion. LMAO

Do it. YOU can deal with the french    we'd be happy to be part of the states for the most part in the west  

EDIT: now that i think about it you DID try that once and DID blame us   I recall that didn't go so well for you.  Despite the odds we kicked your asses back across the line and burn down your white house.  I see you've managed to rebuild it.  It's very nice. Shame if something happened to THIS one.... 

Edited September 25 by CdnFox

[Nationalist]

10 hours ago, robosmith said:

Blaming a country and it's leader which was invaded for the invasion is VERY RADICAL.

We should invade Canada and blame Canada for provoking the invasion. LMAO

I would expect you to...we're we lobbing missiles at your cities. 

[Rebound]

12 hours ago, User said:

Pennsylvania

 

Did he say anything that was untrue? I mean…. The guy’s country is at war and Vance and Trump said they’d turn Ukraine over to Russia for lunch.

[WestCanMan]

Isn't this "Ukrainian collusion", to bring the leader of a foreign country into the US to influence an election?

What's the real difference between:

1. The GOP & Russians paid $200k to put ads on FB to influence the 2016 election, vs
2. The Demis & Ukrainians spent $500K for flights, hotels rooms, security and food to bring the president of Ukraine to America so that he could influence the 2024 election?

[User]

7 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Did he say anything that was untrue? I mean…. The guy’s country is at war and Vance and Trump said they’d turn Ukraine over to Russia for lunch.

That is not what they said, but that isn't the point. Let me know if you want to discuss that. 

[Hodad]

13 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Isn't this "Ukrainian collusion", to bring the leader of a foreign country into the US to influence an election?

What's the real difference between:

1. The GOP & Russians paid $200k to put ads on FB to influence the 2016 election, vs
2. The Demis & Ukrainians spent $500K for flights, hotels rooms, security and food to bring the president of Ukraine to America so that he could influence the 2024 election?

A. Zelensky is in the US for the UN General assembly. 

B. While here, he visited a munitions factory that is literally making the ammunition that is keeping his country in the fight.

C. The GOP can invite Bebe, but Zelensky causes you outrage?

D. Did you REALLY just ask what the difference is between colluding with enemies of the US to influence an election and hosting one of our democratic allies?

[User]

10 minutes ago, Hodad said:

A. Zelensky is in the US for the UN General assembly. 

He was flown to Pennsylvania on our military aircraft. He was there with Democrats. 

13 minutes ago, Hodad said:

B. While here, he visited a munitions factory that is literally making the ammunition that is keeping his country in the fight.

There are other munitions factories... why is he giving interviews to American journalists attacking Vance?

13 minutes ago, Hodad said:

C. The GOP can invite Bebe, but Zelensky causes you outrage?

The GOP Invited him to talk to Congress, where everyone is at, both Democrats and Republicans, not a major campaign state. 

14 minutes ago, Hodad said:

D. Did you REALLY just ask what the difference is between colluding with enemies of the US to influence an election and hosting one of our democratic allies?

Hosting him in a battleground state as he makes public appearances with the major Democrats in major races there, as he gives interviews attacking Republicans. All using the American military to make it happen. 

 

[Moonbox]

30 minutes ago, User said:

The GOP Invited him to talk to Congress, where everyone is at, both Democrats and Republicans, not a major campaign state. 

The GOP invites Netanyahu, he delivers a clearly partisan speech, dines at Mar-a-Lago with Trump, and this is OKAY. 

Viktor Orban attacks Biden and his administration, pals up with Putin, hangs out with Trump at Mar-a-Lago and endorses Trump, this is also OKAY.  

Zelensky gives an interview where he says Vance (who's been arguing for some time that Ukraine should roll over and make concessions to Putin, and who's also been claiming Haitians are kidnapping and eating pets) is too radical...and this is NOT OKAY.  

Interesting logic there mister.  The line in the sand is...what?  That it was Pennsylvania?  

Edited September 25 by Moonbox

[WestCanMan]

16 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

The GOP invites Netanyahu, he delivers a clearly partisan speech, dines at Mar-a-Lago with Trump, and this is OKAY. 

Viktor Orban attacks Biden and his administration, pals up with Putin, hangs out with Trump at Mar-a-Lago and endorses Trump, this is also OKAY.  

Zelensky gives an interview where he says Vance (who's been arguing for some time that Ukraine should roll over and make concessions to Putin, and who's also been claiming Haitians are kidnapping and eating pets) is too radical...and this is NOT OKAY.  

Interesting logic there mister.  The line in the sand is...what?  That it was Pennsylvania?  

When did the GOP send the FBI out to commit crimes in a highly publicized 4-yr investigation against the Dems for colluding with a foreign country to influence an election? 

Zelensky is the leader of a foreign government and he's openly campaigning for the Dems. 

Can you imagine if Beave, the last Russian collusion holdout on earth, could say "Well, what about that time that Putin joined Trump on the campaign trail?" 🤣 

[User]

50 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

The GOP invites Netanyahu, he delivers a clearly partisan speech, dines at Mar-a-Lago with Trump, and this is OKAY. 

Was it the American military flying him down there for that visit? When he was down there, was he giving interviews to attack Biden and Harris?

All of these things have been pointed out, and you conveniently ignored them. 

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I would expect you to...we're we lobbing missiles at your cities. 

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WHOOOSH....

You mean "were we...?"

You don't need to be "lobbing missiles" for the US to steal your energy resources, like Russia is TRYING to do in Ukraine. Duh

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Isn't this "Ukrainian collusion", to bring the leader of a foreign country into the US to influence an election?

What's the real difference between:

1. The GOP & Russians paid $200k to put ads on FB to influence the 2016 election, vs
2. The Demis & Ukrainians spent $500K for flights, hotels rooms, security and food to bring the president of Ukraine to America so that he could influence the 2024 election?

He's here for the UN General Assembly, doofus. ^NO EVIDENCE for your claim that Democrats are picking up the tab. Duh

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

When did the GOP send the FBI out to commit crimes in a highly publicized 4-yr investigation against the Dems for colluding with a foreign country to influence an election? 

Zelensky is the leader of a foreign government and he's openly campaigning for the Dems. 

Can you imagine if Beave, the last Russian collusion holdout on earth, could say "Well, what about that time that Putin joined Trump on the campaign trail?" 🤣 

^Too many LIES to count. LMAO

[Moonbox]

47 minutes ago, User said:

Was it the American military flying him down there for that visit? When he was down there, was he giving interviews to attack Biden and Harris?

Who cares? You're drawing petty, irrelevant distinctions that only matter because it goes against your tribe. 

It's outrageous that a wartime leader from a nation under attack and whose enemy is trying to kill him is being transported in a military plane?  Really???

47 minutes ago, User said:

All of these things have been pointed out, and you conveniently ignored them. 

Not ignored - dismissed as hypocritical, partisan commentary.  You're ignoring that Vance has been actively undermining Zelensky and Ukraine vs Russia - something you've argue against on this forum yourself.  It's not okay for Zelensky to respond?  Or is just not okay for him to respond in...Pennsylvania? 

Is peddling deranged nonsense like Haitians kidnapping pets and cooking them not...radical?  

[User]

2 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Who cares? You're drawing petty, irrelevant distinctions that only matter because it goes against your tribe. 

It's outrageous that a wartime leader from a nation under attack and whose enemy is trying to kill him is being transported in a military plane?  Really???

Oh my... well, great discussion then. 

Who cares!

I think the visuals on this are enough to be concerning, and it is not any one individual piece; it is the whole thing together. 

I think you get that too, so you keep disingenuously breaking them up as you did here.

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

The GOP invites Netanyahu, he delivers a clearly partisan speech, dines at Mar-a-Lago with Trump, and this is OKAY. 

If it was during an election? No. 

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Viktor Orban attacks Biden and his administration, pals up with Putin, hangs out with Trump at Mar-a-Lago and endorses Trump, this is also OKAY.  

Not during an election. 

 

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Zelensky gives an interview where he says Vance (who's been arguing for some time that Ukraine should roll over and make concessions to Putin, and who's also been claiming Haitians are kidnapping and eating pets) is too radical...and this is NOT OKAY.  

During an election. Exactly.

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Interesting logic there mister.  The line in the sand is...what?  That it was Pennsylvania?  

That it's an election. 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

<----

WHOOOSH....

You mean "were we...?"

You don't need to be "lobbing missiles" for the US to steal your energy resources, like Russia is TRYING to do in Ukraine. Duh

Lol...NEXT!

[Moonbox]

1 minute ago, User said:

Oh my... well, great discussion then. 

Who cares!

The question remains, what is it about this that you find so outrageous? 

1 minute ago, User said:

I think the visuals on this are enough to be concerning, and it is not any one individual piece; it is the whole thing together. 

Not much of an answer I'm afraid. 

If you were actually concerned about the behavior rather than just the partisan angle, you'd have also brought up shameless Putin-shill and authoritarian Viktor Orban, who's "attacked" the Biden administration, openly endorsed Trump (who subsequently lavished him with farcical praise during the last Debate) and who wined and dined him at Mar-a-Lago.  The "visuals" for that don't look so hot either.  

1 minute ago, User said:

I think you get that too, so you keep disingenuously breaking them up as you did here.

I think you may actually believe what you're saying, but it's just blind partisanship. 

The whole reason for remaining neutral regarding foreign elections is to not pre-emptively antagonize the other side (who may end up winning).  If JD Vance hadn't spent the last year undermining the Ukrainian war effort and making it clear he'd throw them under the bus, Zelensky would have nothing to say about him.  

Had Zelensky spoken out against the Democrats, we'd not hear a peep out of you over it.  What bothers you about this is the angle.  

[User]

15 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

The question remains, what is it about this that you find so outrageous? 

There is no question. Feel free to read the first comment. 

16 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Not much of an answer I'm afraid. 

You have not provided much of anything here either. *shrug*

16 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I think you may actually believe what you're saying, but it's just blind partisanship. 

As is your approach here. *shrug*