Russian Money to Fuel Right-wing Propoganda Flowing to Canadians

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

I saw it on the interwebs! 

🤡🤡🤡

 

You're on the interwebs now, doorknob.

[WestCanMan]

32 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

The electorate?  

THEY’RE EATING THE DOGS THEY’RE EATING THE CATS

 

What was that woman arrested for? Where was she arrested? Where is she from? 

Where are your beloved fact-checkers now, moonie? Do you have to run and hide again now, stupid?

Awwww, buy-bye.

Hey @TreeBeard what do you think of this video? 

Sucks, hey? 

 

 

Did you dummies know that Biden sent over 15,000 Haitians to live in Springfield Ohio, a town of only 58,000 people? 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/haitian-immigrants-fueled-springfields-growth-now-us-presidential-debate-2024-09-11/

NYers complain as soon as a few busloads show up in their state which has 19M people in it, but somehow Springfield is supposed to want to take in 25% of their entire population... 

 

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

Of course they can sway some of the public.  

Nothing can sway you, especially not facts. You're entrenched in your CNN-induced alternate reality and you'll never budge. 

[Goddess]

Some people posting on here, this is all I see:

I am so stupid that I 100% believe everything the government tells me!!

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Some people posting on here, this is all I see:

I am so stupid that I 100% believe everything the government tells me!!

They actually say: "The Dems/Libs are the chosen ones, and democracy can only survive if they alone control the judiciary, police, mainstream media, and social media. The word of CNN/CBC word is my gospel, even my own eyes and ears can only be trusted while receiving their holy word. Amen. Apersons."

[Five of swords]

2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

I think enough of the electorate is susceptible to believing crazy conspiracy theories being spewed by rightwing commentators that it’s an issue.  This forum is evidence of that. 
 

Depends….   Some yes, some no. 
 

You think all of the media (who aren’t paid for by Russia) hate Russia?

So it sounds like you are still clinging to both. Sure, media can brainwash enough people that it ruins elections but no, this doesn't invalidate democracy

[Moonbox]

24 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Some people posting on here, this is all I see:

I am so stupid that I 100% believe everything the government tells me!!

You're saying this as you reference randoms on Twitter, just like you've cited Facebook claims in the past.  Way to play to the trope, Karen. 🤡

Here's the thing:

There was plenty of stuff that Kamala said in that debate that was bogus.  She just didn't say anything that was utterly,  mentally retarded.  I don't need the government to tell me that the idea of illegal Haitians kidnapping and then snacking on house pets is batshit crazy - that realization only requires a few synapses to fire.  Alas, that's a hurdle too high for the likes of you.  🤣

[WestCanMan]

13 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

There was plenty of stuff that Kamala said in that debate that was bogus.  She just didn't say anything that was utterly,  mentally retarded.  

Most of what she said was utterly retarded, but she managed to say without sounding the way trump sounded that night.

Trump was nails on the blackboard, Kamala was just stupid and deceitful on the blackboard. 

[TreeBeard]

37 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

So it sounds like you are still clinging to both. Sure, media can brainwash enough people that it ruins elections but no, this doesn't invalidate democracy

It simply means we need to strengthen our democratic institutions to root out undue foreign influence.  
 

Traitorous seditionists always try and thwart democracy.  These particular ones are taking money to spread these ideas from Russia.  We have some doing this at the behest of China too.  
 

How am I “clinging to both”?  I don’t know what you mean.  

[TreeBeard]

23 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Ummm  "OMG, another conspiracy theory  LOL "

What conspiracy theory are you referring to?

[WestCanMan]

There's a US election 2 months away, cue the leftarded RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! drivel and the talk of saving democracy by the party of FBI control, judicial attacks and SC subversion. 

It's insane how many retards there are here clinging to this "CNN and CBC are as pure as the driven snow" mantra right now.

It makes me wonder just how serious they're going to get about shutting down Fox news in the coming months, because Leftists are famous for using the accusation in a mirror tactic to accuse others of what they're actually doing themselves.

When a buzzword starts making the rounds, like "seditious mobs" or "election cheating", you know that the left has marching orders coming from above, and the fact that leftards are so keen on establishing the legitimacy of their fake news networks all of a sudden tells me that they're about to slander/libel others. 

[Five of swords]

37 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

It simply means we need to strengthen our democratic institutions to root out undue foreign influence.  
 

Traitorous seditionists always try and thwart democracy.  These particular ones are taking money to spread these ideas from Russia.  We have some doing this at the behest of China too.  
 

How am I “clinging to both”?  I don’t know what you mean.  

Well dude, I don't think democracy would be very popular if it was understood to mean control by the media

[BeaverFever]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA!

I shoulda known the original collusion clown would pop in 🤣

It is a ln established fact that the Republican party, NRA, and their propaganda organs have been lousy with Russians for over a decade. Infiltrated by the likes of Maria Butina and her cohorts. Paul Manafort was paid  millions by them when he worked for the Russian-backed dictator of Ukraine who fired on his own unarmed citizens. Giuliani represented numerous Russian-Ukrainians. It’s not just one little cabal of Republicans with a Russian connection it’s dozens of Republicans each with their own Russian connections which they lied about.  Add on this new revelation of right wing propagandists getting millions from Russia  

 

You are this hilarious clown whose denials sound like “honey just because you caught me lying naked in bed with this hooker doesn’t prove I had sex with her!”

You’re so buried by undeniable evidence you don’t even have a rebuttal anymore except to say “Russia Russia Russia” or “wushun cowusion” as if that childish low-IQ response means anything. 

Edited September 12, 2024 by BeaverFever

[TreeBeard]

12 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Well dude, I don't think democracy would be very popular if it was understood to mean control by the media

That’s not what democracy means.  What argument are you trying to make here?  Did you not understand my response?

[ExFlyer]

47 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

What conspiracy theory are you referring to?

Look, be realistic.

At what point in communication history has there not been someone trying to influence others?

Be it voice, song written ratio, tv or now the web?

If this thread is narrowed down to only politics, at what point in Canadian history has there not been one form of propaganda or influence peddling for political parties or candidates?

The conspiracy theory is one that the Russians are behind this. It could be Chinese,  Iranian, Tongolese, American ,Mexican, it could be disgruntled citizens, it could be the political; parties themselves.

[TreeBeard]

2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

The conspiracy theory is one that the Russians are behind this.

Then why have the rightwing commentators bing funded come out and said they were the victims if there wasn’t evidence?

 

Mr Rubin, who boasts 1.5 million followers on X, said his show on Tenet ended months ago, and that he had not been contacted by the justice department. "I and other commentators were the victims of this scheme," he wrote concerning the allegations. "I knew absolutely nothing about any of this fraudulent activity."

[WestCanMan]

39 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

It is a ln established fact that the Republican party, NRA, and their propaganda organs have been lousy with Russians for over a decade.

Uh-huh. Oh yeah. Like, fer sure, eh? I'm totally serious.

IIRC, Vladaimir Putin almost won the GOP primary in 2020.

Also, there were a bunch of Russians who worked with the shady GOP lawyer guy, Michael Sussman, to get bogus intel to the FBI for a show trial against a prominent politician in the opposition party.

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Infiltrated by the likes of Maria Butina and her cohorts. Paul Manafort was paid  millions by them when he worked for the Russian-backed dictator of Ukraine who fired on his own unarmed citizens. Giuliani represented numerous Russian-Ukrainians. It’s not just one little cabal of Republicans with a Russian connection it’s dozens of Republicans each with their own Russian connections which they lied about.  Add on this new revelation of right wing propagandists getting millions from Russia  

Yeah, they basically tried to take over the capitol and plant a Russian flag there. That's well-known within the CNN community.

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You are this hilarious clown whose denials sound like “honey just because you caught me lying naked in bed with this hooker doesn’t prove I had sex with her!”

Oh no, not at all. 

I was at the GOP primary, and we opened with this:

It was glorious, komrade.

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You’re so buried by undeniable evidence you don’t even have a rebuttal anymore except to say “Russia Russia Russia” or “wushun cowusion” as if that childish low-IQ response means anything. 

Oh no way. I know about all of the evidence. Are you kidding me?

I can name every single American who was indicted for - and found guilty of - collusion-related crimes, the exact crime they committed, and how long they were sentenced for. It's right here:

1.  

See? You didn't think I had the whole laundry list of criminals, but there it is.

Oh wait, there actually was one guy convicted for collusion related criminality:

1. Kevin Clinesmith: one count of making a Felony False Statement. He got a 1 yr bar suspension. Clinesmith was a lawyer for the FBI who lied to a FISA court judge in order to renew a license to spy on Trump and his associates. 

That's the only actual evidence of the only actual crime that was known to be committed regarding the CNN/Demi Russian collusion farce.

Sorry collusion boy. I know that you really had high hopes for that post, but you should have listened to Van Joneswhen he admitted that "Russian collusion is just a big nothingburger" right at the beginning of the show trial. 

 

Just out of curiosity, do the GOP also commit crimes with the Chinese? I read something about a prominent GOP family that received over $11M from their partners in the Chinese gov't, which they tried to hide by bringing it home through an assortment of 20-some-odd shell companies. I forget the guy's name, but that's ok, because he also forgets his name 😉

Sorry dummy, but I know I'm not the only person who bullies you. It's just so eeeeeasy!

[Five of swords]

2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

That’s not what democracy means.  What argument are you trying to make here?  Did you not understand my response?

I can't belive I have to spell this out for you.

 

Wow.

 

Dude, if the media is capable of forming the world view of a significant % of the population...like by talking about how Trump is the next Hitler etc....then it follows that democracy reduces to rule by media. It just follows from logical necessity.

[TreeBeard]

Just now, Five of swords said:

then it follows that democracy reduces to rule by media. It just follows from logical necessity.

No, that doesn’t follow. 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Uh-huh. Oh yeah. Like, fer sure, eh? I'm totally serious.

It is an established fact. They don’t even deny it, they just claimed their dealings were innocent and they were only lying about them and hiding them because they didn’t want to it look bad.   I know kool-aid srinkers like yourself do everything you can to avoid inconvenient facts amd lobotomize yourselves if you accidentally happen to learn one, but Russian it’s a fact that agents like Maria Butina, Konstantin Kilimnik, Lev Parnas and many others had infiltrated Republican circles 

[Five of swords]

18 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

No, that doesn’t follow. 

How would it not? The people form their opinions based on media propaganda, and then they vote based on those opinions. That is media rule.

[CdnFox]

20 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

It is an established fact. They don’t even deny it, they just claimed their dealings were innocent and they were only lying about them and hiding them because they didn’t want to it look bad.   I know kool-aid srinkers like yourself do everything you can to avoid inconvenient facts amd lobotomize yourselves if you accidentally happen to learn one, but Russian it’s a fact that agents like Maria Butina, Konstantin Kilimnik, Lev Parnas and many others had infiltrated Republican circles 

No, it isn't. They've had a handful of dealings with the Russians, and pretty much every other country out there in fact.  Really only one or two people that were sort of close to trump kind of had any real connections and that's nothing 

Business people and political parties are going to talk to people from other countries. Guaranteed. That doesn't make them 'lousy' with them. 

The FBI spent years and dozens of people trying to find any 'russian collusion' that would be inappropriate or illegal and none was ever found.  And the only reason THAT happened was because the democrats lied and created a fake 'russian dossier' to try to frame trump and trigger an investigation to bring him down.  Which was pathetic. 

These "russians"...  are they in the room with you right now?

[TreeBeard]

19 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

How would it not? The people form their opinions based on media propaganda, and then they vote based on those opinions. That is media rule.

Influence ≠ rule

[WestCanMan]

6 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

It is an established fact. They don’t even deny it, they just claimed their dealings were innocent and they were only lying about them and hiding them because they didn’t want to it look bad.   I know kool-aid srinkers like yourself do everything you can to avoid inconvenient facts amd lobotomize yourselves if you accidentally happen to learn one, but Russian it’s a fact that agents like Maria Butina, Konstantin Kilimnik, Lev Parnas and many others had infiltrated Republican circles 

• Buddy, Hillary Clinton got bogus intel that was gathered from Russian agents herself
• Hillary used that Russian disinformation to try to overturn an election.
• She got the FBI to lie to the FISA court repeatedly: they knew that Carter Page was a CIA asset before they ever applied for their first FISA warrant.
• Then the FBI even went so far as to alter an email to change its meaning and provided that to a judge, and it was the only thing they were charged for. That's how illegitimate the FBI is now: just lying to judges is no big deal by their lofty standards.

I'll distill that for you: Hillary Clinton is absolutely known to have used Russian disinformation to try to overturn a lawful election. That's not an accusation, it's an established, undisputed fact. 

Stop pretending to care about Russian interference dummy. You openly support the use of Russian disinformation when you like it, don't you f'tard...

What's worse, the sitting President of the United States of America gets money directly from the communist government of China, through his brother and son, and you don't care. Not just a bit of money. Over 11 million dollars went to the Bidens.

Hochul and Cuomo worked with a Chinese spy, and Eric Swallwell had a Chinese spy as his campaign manager. Ho hummmm....

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Influence ≠ rule

It's not just "influence" when the media denies the truth to people and feeds them lies at the same time. 

How can the populace exercise their right to vote when the most pertinent information of all has been kept from them?

Instead of an informed populace voting in 2020, armed with full knowledge of the Biden family's extremely lucrative deals with Chinese gov't agents, they voted while thinking that Trump was peddling Russian disinformation to them. 

The MSM hid the dirty truth about Biden, while simultaneously feeding the public a dirty lie about Trump. Not even just a little lie. THEY GOT TWITTER TO BAN THE NYPOST FOR TELLING THE TRUTH. How big of a lie is that?

If the truth about Biden got out, and there were no lies told about Trump regarding that same incident, what effect do you think that would have had in the swing states? 

The media ABSOLUTELY stole the 2020 election, and that's if the ballot count was even legitimate. For al we know, Trump may still have won despite the media's disinformation campaign. 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Yeah, they basically tried to take over the capitol and plant a Russian flag there

What are you trying to say it was only a little bit of subversion so it’s ok?  While there’s no evidence Russians had anything to do with Trump’s attempt to take over the Capitol and stealing the election they were definitely rooting for him and would have benefited from it immensely. Fortunately for us Trump was a failure as a seditious traitor just as he was a failure as a president and as a businessman. 
 

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

can name every single American who was indicted for - and found guilty of - collusion-related crimes, the exact crime they committed, and how long they were sentenced for. It's right here:

1.  

See? You didn't think I had the whole laundry list of criminals, but there it is.

Oh wait, there actually was one guy convicted for collusion related criminality:

1. Kevin Clinesmith: one count of making a Felony False Statement. He got a 1 yr bar suspension. Clinesmith was a lawyer for the FBI who lied to a FISA court judge in order to renew a license to spy on Trump and his associates. 

That's the only actual evidence of the only actual crime that was known to be committed regarding the CNN/Demi Russian collusion farce.

First of all what stupid ass doesn’t understand is that Russians infiltrated and influenced Republican organizations and propaganda outlets at large not just the Trump campaign.  Your cult didn’t provide you with any memorized talking points to mindlessly repeat about anything except the Mueller invest naturally that’s all you’ll acknowledge here.

 

Second of all lots of people were convicted for collusion-related activities:

 

• Former Trump 2016 campaign chairman Paul Manafort: Sentenced to 7.5 years in prison this March for bank and tax fraud and crimes related to his work as a political consultant for the Russian regime in Ukraine.

 

• Trump's former personal attorney Michael Cohen: Received a three-year prison sentence in Dec. 2018 for tax evasion, bank fraud, lying to Congress and campaign finance violations.

 

• Former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos: Convicted of lying to investigators about about Russian contacts. He served 12 days in prison and in October, filed to run for former Rep. Katie Hill's California seat.

 

• Dutch attorney Alex van der Zwaan:Pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators about his work for law firm Skadden, Arps, Meagher, & Flom LLP and Affiliates in 2012. He was sentenced to 30 days in prison and a $20,000 fine. 

 

• Ex-Trump campaign deputy chairman Rick Gates: Pleaded guilty in Feb. 2018 to conspiracy and lying to the FBI. After cooperating extensively in multiple investigations, Gates was sentenced in December to 45 days in jail, three years of probation and 300 hours of community service.

 

• Roger Stone: Sentenced to 40 months in prison for crimes that include obstruction of justice, lying to Congress and witness tampering. A federal jury convicted Stone after he lied to Congress about his efforts to learn more about when WikiLeaks would publish damaging emails about Hillary Clinton during the 2016 presidential election.

 

• Former national security adviser Michael Flynn: The retired three-star general pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI in Dec. 2017. 

In addition to 26 Russian nationals including Maria Butina and Konstantin Kilimnik. 

 

For more than 25 years, a large swath of the GOP has enjoyed mutually rewarding relationships with Russian operatives.

https://newrepublic.com/article/165782/republicans-putin-history-relationship-manafort
 

How Putin's oligarchs funneled millions into GOP campaigns

Campaign finance reports show troubling connections between a group of wealthy donors with ties to Russia and their political contributions to Trump and top Republican leaders
 

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/05/08/how-putin-s-oligarchs-funneled-millions-into-gop-campaigns/?outputType=amp

 

Senate Report Reveals NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016

 

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/27/765037952/senate-report-reveals-nra-was-foreign-asset-to-russia-ahead-of-2016
 

As for all your China Biden conspiracy nonsense that all was debunked when the the failed Durham investigation and the failed Republican impeachment inquiry (“we don’t know what he might have done but we’re going to try and impeach him anyway”)  couldn’t find anything.