Tariffs are a Tax on Americans

[Rebound]

15 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Do you understand the difference between tariffs and sales tax? I don't think you do because you're trying to tell me about sales tax, not tariffs. lol

When we lay a tariff on another country, that means they pay us to bring their product into our country. You're trying to tell me that Trump wants to give everyone a free pass so that he can lower the boom on Americans, instead. That doesn't make any sense. 

 

 

If the U.S. puts a 60% tariff on Chinese imports and Canada does not,  the consumer pays 60% more in the US. than in Canada.  

[August1991]

On 9/11/2024 at 12:51 AM, robosmith said:

That's what protection from competition does. Tariffs reduce supply making prices go up. 

Trump makes the US federal government explicit.

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, robosmith said:

Consumers will PAY THOSE DUTIES. Duh

You mean like the same consumers who've been paying the massive tolls for goods under biden but you didn't care about then?

 Well. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

If the U.S. puts a 60% tariff on Chinese imports and Canada does not,  the consumer pays 60% more in the US. than in Canada.  

Not necessarily.  It may well be that an american source can provide those same goods for 20 percent more than the chinese original price but never could get the investment to upgrade the gear to do so. Now - investors flock, new gear is aquired and while people pay 20 percent more the economy also gets a massive boost. 

Might be worth it you'd have to run the numbers.  But that's the main difference between a 'tax' and a 'tarrif' .  Both may raise the price of a good but one  has a lot of other side benefits that need to be considered before you say if it's good or bad. 

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, Deluge said:

Link legitimate sources, dumbass.  

I'm sorry you're so ignorant, but duties are paid by importers at the border. Can't get more simple than that.

Since you never supply links, you obviously believe everyone else "knows" the source of your BULLSHIT.

5 hours ago, August1991 said:

Trump makes the US federal government explicit.

"explicit" what? You mean "complicit"?

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

...duties are paid by importers at the border. Can't get more simple than that.

 

Indeed. Folks, if there's a dispute about a definition, or how something works... Try going to an external site for reference okay? 

"Tariffs are paid by domestic consumers and not the exporting country, but they have the effect of raising the relative prices of imported products."

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/08/tariff-trade-barrier-basics.asp#:~:text=Tariffs are paid by domestic,available in a limited supply.

 

[Deluge]

13 hours ago, Rebound said:

If the U.S. puts a 60% tariff on Chinese imports and Canada does not,  the consumer pays 60% more in the US. than in Canada.  

And you're trying to say that Trump screwed/will screw the American people on tariffs and Biden hasn't nor would Harris?  

[Chrissy1979]

7 minutes ago, Deluge said:

And you're trying to say that Trump screwed/will screw the American people on tariffs and Biden hasn't nor would Harris?  

Only one candidate is proposing a massive tax/tariff increase on U.S. consumers, and it's your guy.

[Deluge]

17 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Only one candidate is proposing a massive tax/tariff increase on U.S. consumers, and it's your guy.

Take a look at this video and then talk about how Trump plans/planned to beat the shit out of American tax payers. 

 

[Chrissy1979]

23 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Take a look at this video and then talk about how Trump plans/planned to beat the shit out of American tax payers. 

 

It is no secret he wants taxpayers to pay high tariffs. He thinks he can get away with it because he knows his base is too stupid to even know what a tariff is and how they're paid.

You must be one of his base. 😂 

[Deluge]

29 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

It is no secret he wants taxpayers to pay high tariffs. He thinks he can get away with it because he knows his base is too stupid to even know what a tariff is and how they're paid.

You must be one of his base. 😂 

It's something I haven't followed very closely, that's for sure, but when a baby killing cultist like you starts squawking then I know it's time to get to the bottom of the bullshit.  

The truth is, the only time you hypocrites cry about taxes is when Republicans are behind them. Did you know that Biden drew criticism for maintaining Trump's tariffs? I wonder why you woketards didn't do the same thing? Is it because you are, in fact, woketards? I'm thinking that's exactly what it is. 

So according to Market Watch, it looks like American tax payers took a hit with his tariffs, and it looks like they may take another hit if he wins in November; but that still doesn't change my vote, because Trump is still by far the better choice for President. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chrissy1979]

I accept your admission they are a tax hike on the U.S. consumer, but you fail to mention the extreme numbers Trump has quoted for his tax hike. They're insane and would cripple the economy.

[Matthew]

What IS the current republican position on tarrifs?

Pre-Clinton era democrats were often fans of labor protecting tarrifs. It was neoliberal republicans since the Reagan days that popularized free trade dogma, even causing democrats in the 90s to change their tune on the subject.

So am I now watching conservatives argue for the leftist position and watching liberals argue the right wing position on this issue?

[Michael Hardner]

58 minutes ago, Matthew said:

 

So am I now watching conservatives argue for the leftist position and watching liberals argue the right wing position on this issue?

The whole populist agenda is anti-conservative.

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Deluge said:

Take a look at this video and then talk about how Trump plans/planned to beat the shit out of American tax payers. 

 

Why should anyone trust YOUR PROPAGANDA? We're not stupid like you and your MAGA CULT.

[Deluge]

49 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Why should anyone trust YOUR PROPAGANDA? We're not stupid like you and your MAGA CULT.

Trump is discussing tariffs. 

It's ok, robomarx, it's a clip from C-SPAN so it's a safe space.  

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, robosmith said:

Why should anyone trust YOUR PROPAGANDA? We're not stupid like you and your MAGA CULT.

No, you'd have to get much smarter to reach that level of stupid.  

[Matthew]

Question for the pro-tarrif conservatives. Are you wanting tarrifs just against China, or against every country?

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Question for the pro-tarrif conservatives. Are you wanting tarrifs just against China, or against every country?

Biden proposed them against all countries in his America first concept, but tariffs are there to either protect an industry or create a negotiation with a foreign power. The trade balance with china is extremely one-sided and as we saw during the pandemic that creates a number of significant problems in the event of unrest in china, So looking at effective ways of addressing that trade balance enforcing them to the table is something that trump is considering using terrorists to do.

I would imagine countries like Russia might also be on the list for certain trade restrictions or tariffs

I suppose what you're really saying is that you don't really understand how any of this works. It can be complex.

[Five of swords]

On 9/13/2024 at 7:50 PM, Rebound said:

If the U.S. puts a 60% tariff on Chinese imports and Canada does not,  the consumer pays 60% more in the US. than in Canada.  

If any only if 100% of consumer purchases come from china...

[Five of swords]

42 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Question for the pro-tarrif conservatives. Are you wanting tarrifs just against China, or against every country?

I don't think tariffs are a conservative thing

[Rebound]

10 hours ago, robosmith said:

Why should anyone trust YOUR PROPAGANDA? We're not stupid like you and your MAGA CULT.

“We are taking in tens of billions of dollars…” in taxes which Americans pay. And we give a percentage of that to American farmers. 
 

What’s the math? Well he said it was 20% of $250 billion, which is $50 billion.  And agriculture subsidies under Trump exploded to $32 billion.  So tell me how small 32/50 is —- it’s 64 percent. 

Edited September 15, 2024 by Rebound

[robosmith]

10 hours ago, Deluge said:

Trump is discussing tariffs. 

It's ok, robomarx, it's a clip from C-SPAN so it's a safe space.  

It's BULLSHIT PROPAGANDA from Trump. Whitewashing through CSPAN doesn't remove that STENCH.

[Matthew]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The trade balance with china is extremely one-sided and as we saw during the pandemic that creates a number of significant problems in the event of unrest in china, So looking at effective ways of addressing that trade balance enforcing them to the table is something that trump is considering using terrorists to do.

I would imagine countries like Russia might also be on the list for certain trade restrictions or tariffs

Ok even though you didn't answer the question, you seem to be implying that a small list of countries would be on "the list" for tarrifs.

Trump did a bunch of China tarrifs when he was president. What it did was cause China to operate through other countries. Mexico has become one of the fastest growing manufacturing counties in the word. Stories of chinese people crossing the southern border is based on the millions of Chinese workers working in Chinese factories in Latin America.

So when the rest of the world is all trading freely, what good does it do to have tarrifs on just one country?

[Matthew]

11 hours ago, Five of swords said:

I don't think tariffs are a conservative thing

I know, I find this very amusing.