Dougie93 Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 2 minutes ago, myata said: That is absolutely not what it is, no matter how authoritatively one tries to argue otherwise. A functional modern democracy has principles, founding laws, regular laws, checks and balances, independent oversight by the society. no, what you are describing is a constitutional republic a democracy is ancient Greece, tyranny of the majority wherein anyone could get "black balled" at any moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impartialobserver Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 Quick answer: No. Most have no attention span. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 Just now, impartialobserver said: Quick answer: No. Most have no attention span. I don't think it's fair to say that we have no attention span. I personally like ice cream. Hey, does anyone know where the word measles comes from? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CouchPotato Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 (edited) 4 hours ago, Five of swords said: Who is us? Neither had any affect on me I mean society at large. It's just my observation and subjective one. I remember the lunch room at different jobs where I worked being a noisy place full of conversation years ago. A few years after smartphones became prevalent the lunch room had the quiet atmosphere of a library full of people scrolling through phone screens. Just my own personal experience perhaps. I also feel that people just seem different socially since covid. Maybe it's just me. Edited August 30 by CouchPotato Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 4 hours ago, Black Dog said: So Obama made you racist. Obama created violent racists and unleashed them on America to loot, burn and destroy. He created racial division and the Dems still use it to their advantage. Can you tell if someone is a violent BLM-supporting racist when you see them, or if they're a patriotic American, before you talk to them? They don't all have 2 heads, you know. They're not visible to the naked eye.  Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 13 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: Quick answer: No. Most have no attention span. TikTok was basically created to shorten our attention spans. When I was a kid I used to read novels and I could sit down to watch the news, documentaries, movies, whatever. My kid is almost 15 now and I don't think he will ever read a novel. He doesn't do much TikTok, but he plays a lot of video games. I can guarantee you that the attention span of the younger generations is negligible. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impartialobserver Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 Just now, WestCanMan said: TikTok was basically created to shorten our attention spans. When I was a kid I used to read novels and I could sit down to watch the news, documentaries, movies, whatever. My kid is almost 15 now and I don't think he will ever read a novel. He doesn't do much TikTok, but he plays a lot of video games. I can guarantee you that the attention span of the younger generations is negligible. There was a study done awhile ago and it showed that beyond headlines and the very brief summary that appears before the "read more (down arrow)", very few read articles no matter the topic. I find myself sometimes going that way at times. Growing up in the 80's, the amount of information that was ready right here and now was infinitesimal compared to today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five of swords Posted August 30 Author Report Share Posted August 30 22 minutes ago, CouchPotato said: I mean society at large. It's just my observation and subjective one. I remember the lunch room at different jobs where I worked being a noisy place full of conversation years ago. A few years after smartphones became prevalent the lunch room had the quiet atmosphere of a library full of people scrolling through phone screens. Just my own personal experience perhaps. I also feel that people just seem different socially since covid. Maybe it's just me. Well people kinda did covid to themselves lol. Obviously it was fulfilling some deep fantasy/desire in many people...and they just acted out when they felt they had permission to. But the desire was always there, and I always saw it being there. Â What I am detecting is something different. Like people are surprised that they did not wind up winning the argument. And now they are just avoiding reality completely rather than face that fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 1 minute ago, impartialobserver said: There was a study done awhile ago and it showed that beyond headlines and the very brief summary that appears before the "read more (down arrow)", very few read articles no matter the topic. I find myself sometimes going that way at times. Growing up in the 80's, the amount of information that was ready right here and now was infinitesimal compared to today. It's not uncommon for people to post cites here that contain information and quotes that completely contradict their own message. It's getting more and more normal for headlines to be sensational and inaccurate, with the truth appearing in just one or two brief sentences in the last few paragraphs at the bottom of an article. Even worse, some disinformation networks use their inaccurate quotes without even giving enough information for readers to come to an informed conclusion. This article from CTV 'News' is a perfect example... They're not even American (Canadian), yet they're just openly lying about Trump for some reason: https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/trump-calls-migrants-animals-intensifying-focus-on-illegal-immigration-1.6830980 Trump calls migrants 'animals,' intensifying focus on illegal immigration At no point did Trump ever refer to migrants in general as animals. He was specifically discussing MS-13 when he used that word, and if you look at the video or read that transcript in its entirety, it's perfectly clear what he said. In this day and age, almost no one has the attention span to verify something like that before they repeat it. It's really troubling for a major network like CTV to do things like that because it's not like they're Vox or The Guardian or something, they're more like a Canadian version of NBC. They're one of our 2 main broadcasters. By contrast, Trudeau actually did say "the unvaccinated are very often racists and misogynists, and we have to ask ourselves if we should tolerate them" on a French-language TV station in Quebec, he meant every word of that exactly the way it sounds, and at no point did CTV ever put his inflammatory and hateful sentiments into a headline. They just ignored it. I didn't even find out about it until at least 4 months later. 1 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: tyranny of the majority wherein anyone could get "black balled" at any moment Funny that you said it, isn't it what the cult mob want? Shut down any issue, rule law included if they just feel like it? Should any criminal go free of all and any charges the moment they claim running for president? No, no but our baby is so special! Is it wrong when Maduro or any authoritarian thug go drawing themselves all the votes they need but not our lying baby he's so cute and deserves a reward! Good that you know the difference, wonder if at least some of them could figure it out too. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impartialobserver Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 (edited) 7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: It's not uncommon for people to post cites here that contain information and quotes that completely contradict their own message. It's getting more and more normal for headlines to be sensational and inaccurate, with the truth appearing in just one or two brief sentences in the last few paragraphs at the bottom of an article. Even worse, some disinformation networks use their inaccurate quotes without even giving enough information for readers to come to an informed conclusion. This article from CTV 'News' is a perfect example... They're not even American (Canadian), yet they're just openly lying about Trump for some reason: https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/trump-calls-migrants-animals-intensifying-focus-on-illegal-immigration-1.6830980 Trump calls migrants 'animals,' intensifying focus on illegal immigration At no point did Trump ever refer to migrants in general as animals. He was specifically discussing MS-13 when he used that word, and if you look at the video or read that transcript in its entirety, it's perfectly clear what he said. In this day and age, almost no one has the attention span to verify something like that before they repeat it. It's really troubling for a major network like CTV to do things like that because it's not like they're Vox or The Guardian or something, they're more like a Canadian version of NBC. They're one of our 2 main broadcasters. By contrast, Trudeau actually did say "the unvaccinated are very often racists and misogynists, and we have to ask ourselves if we should tolerate them" on a French-language TV station in Quebec, he meant every word of that exactly the way it sounds, and at no point did CTV ever put his inflammatory and hateful sentiments into a headline. They just ignored it. I didn't even find out about it until at least 4 months later. Well.. the content creator knows that the audience has a very short attention span and so caters to it. They know how to provoke the audience/reader. The reader should be more discerning but are not. When I create a press release.. If I make it more than two pages, the pageviews number drops precipitously. I get heat from both sides because I like to actually read the article (and usually more than one) before I react. A lot of the time, there really is no solid, objective source. Fifteen minutes is not long enough for myself to read a short paragraph and be ready to weigh in. Side note, I do not know a lot about Trudeau but my quick synopsis is that he is the Anti-Trump. In other words, not someone who is very direct and to the point. Edited August 30 by impartialobserver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 34 minutes ago, myata said: Funny that you said it, isn't it what the cult mob want? Shut down any issue, rule law included if they just feel like it? well indeed when you see a moral panic wherein people are cancelled, destroying their lives in the process that is how it was in ancient Greece except in ancient Greece cancellation actually meant exile at best, public execution at worst that was democracy hence why the founding fathers of America rejected that as a model and instead invented the constitutional republic but when you observe a totalitarian Communist country, that is actually a democracy, tho illiberal in that the majority votes with their feet to prop up the regime rather than overthrow it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 35 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: They know how to provoke the audience/reader. The reader should be more discerning but are not. Bringing media culture into politics implicitly and by default is a big unknown and a risk. Deciding if the country is led by a competent patriot or a loose mouth at the times of critical challenge or uncertainty can make a huge if not deciding difference and it's just not the same kind of consideration and decision as voting and commenting on the next pop album. Can it be helped and how - we'll just have to see. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: hence why the founding fathers of America rejected that as a model and instead invented the constitutional republic but when you observe a totalitarian Communist country, that is actually a democracy, tho illiberal I've no desire to think about Chinas and Russias of this world let them figure it out if they can doesn't look that way though. But here, Western democracies are at a crossroads for citizens involvement and credibility. Without participation of active, reasonable and responsible citizens democracy will not last, it'll be subverted or fall to a tyranny one way or the other. On the other hand, political formats and structures were created ages ago, in a completely different reality and changing them in many cases is very challenging and in some (Canada, US) outright impossible. And that's a real problem, an existential challenge nothing less really. Because an entity, species, society that lost ability to evolve intelligently is doomed by the evolution. There are no miracles. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 3 minutes ago, myata said: Â There are no miracles. obviously, as a Christian, I disagree God works in mysterious ways to include inspiring the American constitutional republic Shining City upon a Hill New Jerusalem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impartialobserver Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 58 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: It's not uncommon for people to post cites here that contain information and quotes that completely contradict their own message. It's getting more and more normal for headlines to be sensational and inaccurate, with the truth appearing in just one or two brief sentences in the last few paragraphs at the bottom of an article. Even worse, some disinformation networks use their inaccurate quotes without even giving enough information for readers to come to an informed conclusion. This article from CTV 'News' is a perfect example... They're not even American (Canadian), yet they're just openly lying about Trump for some reason: https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/trump-calls-migrants-animals-intensifying-focus-on-illegal-immigration-1.6830980 Trump calls migrants 'animals,' intensifying focus on illegal immigration At no point did Trump ever refer to migrants in general as animals. He was specifically discussing MS-13 when he used that word, and if you look at the video or read that transcript in its entirety, it's perfectly clear what he said. In this day and age, almost no one has the attention span to verify something like that before they repeat it. It's really troubling for a major network like CTV to do things like that because it's not like they're Vox or The Guardian or something, they're more like a Canadian version of NBC. They're one of our 2 main broadcasters. By contrast, Trudeau actually did say "the unvaccinated are very often racists and misogynists, and we have to ask ourselves if we should tolerate them" on a French-language TV station in Quebec, he meant every word of that exactly the way it sounds, and at no point did CTV ever put his inflammatory and hateful sentiments into a headline. They just ignored it. I didn't even find out about it until at least 4 months later. Anyways, have a good weekend. Thanks for the well written post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodad Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: It's not uncommon for people to post cites here that contain information and quotes that completely contradict their own message. It's getting more and more normal for headlines to be sensational and inaccurate, with the truth appearing in just one or two brief sentences in the last few paragraphs at the bottom of an article. Even worse, some disinformation networks use their inaccurate quotes without even giving enough information for readers to come to an informed conclusion. This article from CTV 'News' is a perfect example... They're not even American (Canadian), yet they're just openly lying about Trump for some reason: https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/trump-calls-migrants-animals-intensifying-focus-on-illegal-immigration-1.6830980 Trump calls migrants 'animals,' intensifying focus on illegal immigration At no point did Trump ever refer to migrants in general as animals. He was specifically discussing MS-13 when he used that word, and if you look at the video or read that transcript in its entirety, it's perfectly clear what he said. In this day and age, almost no one has the attention span to verify something like that before they repeat it. It's really troubling for a major network like CTV to do things like that because it's not like they're Vox or The Guardian or something, they're more like a Canadian version of NBC. They're one of our 2 main broadcasters. By contrast, Trudeau actually did say "the unvaccinated are very often racists and misogynists, and we have to ask ourselves if we should tolerate them" on a French-language TV station in Quebec, he meant every word of that exactly the way it sounds, and at no point did CTV ever put his inflammatory and hateful sentiments into a headline. They just ignored it. I didn't even find out about it until at least 4 months later. WCM complains about Trump's comments being misrepresented. Then turns around an (99% chance) does the EXACT same thing to Trudeau, and hence chose not to provide the actual quote. No honest. No shame. No decency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 2 hours ago, Hodad said: WCM complains about Trump's comments being misrepresented. Then turns around an (99% chance) does the EXACT same thing to Trudeau, and hence chose not to provide the actual quote. No honest. No shame. No decency. Whataboutism. How did the left ever survive without it   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 17 hours ago, impartialobserver said: Side note, I do not know a lot about Trudeau but my quick synopsis is that he is the Anti-Trump. In other words, not someone who is very direct and to the point. Trudeau is the wokest of the woketards. He has never heard a criticism against Canadians that he didn't love. His 2 favourite things are calling Canadians genocidal racists and giving hundreds & hundreds & hundreds of millions of dollars to media outlets. He's up around the $1.5B mark officially. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 17 hours ago, myata said: Funny that you said it, isn't it what the cult mob want? Shut down any issue, rule law included if they just feel like it? What's with the faux outrage? Don't you remember the vag-head march after Trump got elected? It was led by a convicted gay-basher/murderer and they openly talked about blowing up the WH. After countless documented cases of MSM disinformation campaigns, some of them even inciting riots, you're complining about what now? Quote Should any criminal go free of all and any charges the moment they claim running for president? No, no but our baby is so special! 34 felonies from a legal NDA agreement and legal tax write-offs is a bit much, don't you think? When was the last time you did something legal and got hit with 34 felony counts? Contrast that with Hillary destroying evidence after it was subpoenaed and not even going to trial... Contrast that with an FBI lawyer altering evidence to invert it's meaning and then providing it to a judge to get warrants to spy on a duly elected president and not spending a day in jail or losing his licence to practice law... Can you say 'fall guy'? Quote Is it wrong when Maduro or any authoritarian thug go drawing themselves all the votes they need but not our lying baby he's so cute and deserves a reward! If Trump was an authoritarian he'd look a lot more like Biden. He'd weaponize the FBI, DoJ and IRS like Biden did, he'd control FB and other social media outlets like Biden did, and he'd control the MSM like Biden does. Quote Good that you know the difference, wonder if at least some of them could figure it out too. Can you admit to any wrongdoing or failures by the Biden administration, or are all these wars, open borders, military debacles, inflation records all Twumpie's fault? Can you show us on the dolly where the bad man mind-raped you? Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impartialobserver Posted September 3 Report Share Posted September 3 It is interesting how when you point out how short our attention span is or how short our memory is.. some counter with, "No, they are pissed off, they will not forget this" or "only x or y is this way". Just think how different your life is today versus 1985 (if you were alive at that time). Just the seemingly simple act of writing an editorial was a pain. First, you write it by hand or typewriter. Second, you had to mail it and put a stamp on it. Third, it had to be received and approved by the editor. At least 3 to 7 lag between when you wrote it and when it was published. Lastly.. your real name was out there and so anyone reading the newspaper knew your name and possibly knew you. The flurry of opinions that we see today dwarves the past by a 1000 to 1 margin. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 3 Report Share Posted September 3 6 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: It is interesting how when you point out how short our attention span is or how short our memory is..  And in that era, Neil Postman's book Amusing ourselves to death was acclaimed for highlighting how far democracy had fallen.  In retrospect, things have maybe just become easier than our institutions could have anticipated.  Work itself is barely work anymore. And fill in the blanks for anything we do. Hot takes are considered opinions, and wisdom itself doesn't exist outside of one's own tribal circle.   Quote  Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impartialobserver Posted September 3 Report Share Posted September 3 2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: And in that era, Neil Postman's book Amusing ourselves to death was acclaimed for highlighting how far democracy had fallen.  In retrospect, things have maybe just become easier than our institutions could have anticipated.  Work itself is barely work anymore. And fill in the blanks for anything we do. Hot takes are considered opinions, and wisdom itself doesn't exist outside of one's own tribal circle.   you are correct. Most everything is easier. Because of the ubiquity of opinions.. the hot takes are so numerous so as to become ordinary and boring. I remember when Rush Limbaugh was regarded as vitriolic, vulgar, intense, adamant... he would be regarded as mellow or boring today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 3 Report Share Posted September 3 9 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: you are correct. Most everything is easier. Because of the ubiquity of opinions.. the hot takes are so numerous so as to become ordinary and boring. I remember when Rush Limbaugh was regarded as vitriolic, vulgar, intense, adamant... he would be regarded as mellow or boring today. But we still need wisdom. We still need long-range thinking, so socially we have to adapt to this somehow.  I'm reading a lot about early agricultural societies and it seems to me they had leaders who could convince people to do things such as migrate or plant crops, based on their personal vision of what was right for the group.  The best tribes at navigating the land won. I think that Nation and international mind space will need to return to meritocracy in order for the Western way of life to succeed. 1 Quote  Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodad Posted September 4 Report Share Posted September 4 19 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: But we still need wisdom. We still need long-range thinking, so socially we have to adapt to this somehow.  I'm reading a lot about early agricultural societies and it seems to me they had leaders who could convince people to do things such as migrate or plant crops, based on their personal vision of what was right for the group.  The best tribes at navigating the land won. I think that Nation and international mind space will need to return to meritocracy in order for the Western way of life to succeed. Meritocracy? Crop rotation? That seems like an impossibly distant goal. Today, all the world's scientists can't convince a factory worker in Texas that the Earth is warming due to the burning of fossil fuels. He'll waste his own money "rolling coal" in his diesel truck just to spite people who believe in science. Half the country is aggressively anti-merit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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