CdnFox Posted August 10 Report Share Posted August 10 A Quarter of Employed Canadians Now Work For The Government - Better Dwelling We also have fewer entrepreneursbigger government. This is going to be a massive drag on our economy for a long time. People don't invest here. People don't want to start new businesses. The government has punished anyone who wants to have a business and the provincial governments beat the remainder into death over covid. Trudeau has kept up hiring to help make the economy look better than it is. It is horrible, and that facade is about to crumble. Just one more way that the woke left and the liberals and their wonderful supporters have driven a stake into the very heart of Canada and left it crippled for the next generation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted August 10 Report Share Posted August 10 Work for The Government. Like it's all the same, one big conspiratorial bogeyman thing. Nusrses Doctors Ambulance Drivers Police & Prison Guards and their staff Lab techs Firemen The guys who collect your garbage. The snowplow driver etc. etc. etc. So get yer butt out there and hire some people if you think that's a problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted August 10 Author Report Share Posted August 10 1 hour ago, herbie said: Work for The Government. Like it's all the same, one big conspiratorial bogeyman thing. Nusrses Doctors Ambulance Drivers Police & Prison Guards and their staff Lab techs Firemen The guys who collect your garbage. The snowplow driver etc. etc. etc. So get yer butt out there and hire some people if you think that's a problem. Nope. Doctors are not considered gov't employees, they own their own busienss (remember the whole capital gains flap) lab techs frequently work for independant companies. Lifelabs for example, while doing gov't medical work, is independent. Most waste management companies are independent and hired by municipalities as part of an competative bid process - they don't count either. Same with snowplow guy in most municipalities. Some do provide their own. As usual you don't know what you're talking about. and virtually none of the jobs you listed actually create wealth for the country. They may be necessary costs but the don't actually produce revenues. So if a quarter of our people rely on the ohter 3/4 to make the actual money the country runs on.... then that means that a quarter of our incomes have to go to support that group. THat's not sustainable. THat is grossly too high. The percentage of gov't workers is higher now than its every been by a LOT. We simply cannot sustain that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted August 10 Report Share Posted August 10 14 hours ago, herbie said: Work for The Government. Like it's all the same, one big conspiratorial bogeyman thing. Nusrses Doctors Ambulance Drivers Police & Prison Guards and their staff Lab techs Firemen The guys who collect your garbage. The snowplow driver etc. etc. etc. So get yer butt out there and hire some people if you think that's a problem. How are you going to pay for them if the number of tax paying private sector employees keeps decreasing? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500channelsurfer Posted August 10 Report Share Posted August 10 A review needs to be done of what are all these new public sector jobs, and how do they compare to other countries. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/public-sector-size-by-country A more important way to judge a country is what does the public expense accomplish? Does the country provide efficient healthcare, good education and affordable quality housing? And at what trade-off? Some outlier countries with high public sector rates have nationalized oil sectors or are communist, so even if they do offer efficient healthcare, good education and guaranteed housing, trade-offs such as lack of press freedom, poor working conditions and political repression make them undesirable places to live. Canada's growing public sector seems to be growing in the wrong direction. It's growth is not as concerning as it growing despite not accomplishing significant improvements to our healthcare and education systems and reduction in housing issues. If the public sector was, instead, capable of addressing these issues, it would be good for the economy, as having an educated, healthy and affordably well-housed workforce is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted August 10 Report Share Posted August 10 2 hours ago, Aristides said: How are you going to pay for them if the number of tax paying private sector employees keeps decreasing? Tax the snot out of them. Or bring back vagrancy laws and jail the unemployed. Both more effective than whining that someone else hasn't created more jobs. You're actually complaining that some people have jobs that wouldn't otherwise. And that the money they earn is just "lost" and not propping up your own job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted August 10 Report Share Posted August 10 4 hours ago, Aristides said: How are you going to pay for them if the number of tax paying private sector employees keeps decreasing? Immigrants. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted August 10 Author Report Share Posted August 10 2 hours ago, herbie said: Tax the snot out of them. Already done that nothing left in the tank to tax them on. People are one step away from rebellion as it is. csis is already concerned about it. Quote Or bring back vagrancy laws and jail the unemployed. That COSTS tax money, it doesn't MAKE us tax money. Fack you're dense. Quote You're actually complaining that some people have jobs that wouldn't otherwise. And that the money they earn is just "lost" and not propping up your own job. The money is worse than lost. It was taken from the economy which causes it to slow and Worse it creates severe inflation when you re-inject it without creating value to offset it. THat's how a market economy works. A person puts in x resource (such as time on a job) and a corresponding x value of wealth is produced. That keeps the system in balance, inflation doesn't happen even as the economy gets hotter because the extra money being generated is offset by increases in goods and services. But when you pump money into the system that was never 'earned' by the offset of the creation of wealth or value for that money you get inflation. And when you combine that with the drag on the economy you eventually get a severely underperforming economy with a lower quality of life. Sound familiar? That's why every socialistic society eventually spirals towards being on the low end of the totem pole economically. 8 minutes ago, eyeball said: Immigrants. Sadly that really was justin's answer. Vote woke go broke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted August 11 Report Share Posted August 11 19 hours ago, Aristides said: How are you going to pay for them if the number of tax paying private sector employees keeps decreasing? Government workers also pay taxes. Quote The truth does not require participation to exist. Bullshit does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted August 11 Report Share Posted August 11 (edited) 17 hours ago, herbie said: Tax the snot out of them. Or bring back vagrancy laws and jail the unemployed. Both more effective than whining that someone else hasn't created more jobs. You're actually complaining that some people have jobs that wouldn't otherwise. And that the money they earn is just "lost" and not propping up your own job. What are you talking about? Tax the snot out of who? Governments don’t create wealth they redistribute wealth created by others. If you tax the snot out of everyone, where is the incentive to create anything? 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: Government workers also pay taxes. Pay a government employee 70K and tax him 20K. Where does the other 50K come from? Edited August 11 by Aristides 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted August 11 Report Share Posted August 11 6 minutes ago, Aristides said: .... Pay a government employee 70K and tax him 20K. Where does the other 50K come from? Government workers pay the same taxes as you and i. The tax schedule and laws do not differentiate where you work or who you work for. Where does the "other" come from in any employment? Quote The truth does not require participation to exist. Bullshit does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted August 11 Report Share Posted August 11 4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Government workers pay the same taxes as you and i. The tax schedule and laws do not differentiate where you work or who you work for. Where does the "other" come from in any employment? Yes they do but where does the income come from to pay those taxes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted August 11 Report Share Posted August 11 Governments don't create wealth, they take it from those who do(private sector). Then there are the other well known perks with government. The ironclad job security as layoffs or firings are extremely rare. It is pretty much like a salary for life. Benefits for life too. Typically more vacation time and way more sick leave than their private sector counterparts. Let's be honest, anyone that gets into government at a young age is pretty much set for life. https://www.hrreporter.com/focus-areas/compensation-and-benefits/report-shows-huge-divide-between-public-private-sector-perks/373126 Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted August 11 Report Share Posted August 11 31 minutes ago, Aristides said: Yes they do but where does the income come from to pay those taxes? And that matters how??? They also provide the services Canadians want. Regardless of what party is in power. You vote for the party that's going to give oyu the most LOL Quote The truth does not require participation to exist. Bullshit does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted August 11 Report Share Posted August 11 The point isn't so much that 1 in 4 work for government, some countries have more. The problem is we have 42,000 private sector employees to pay for 41,000 more public employees in the past year. https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/jobs-july-stats-can-1.7289784 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted August 11 Report Share Posted August 11 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ironstone said: Governments don't create wealth, they take it from those who do(private sector). Then there are the other well known perks with government. The ironclad job security as layoffs or firings are extremely rare. It is pretty much like a salary for life. Benefits for life too. Typically more vacation time and way more sick leave than their private sector counterparts. Let's be honest, anyone that gets into government at a young age is pretty much set for life. https://www.hrreporter.com/focus-areas/compensation-and-benefits/report-shows-huge-divide-between-public-private-sector-perks/373126 The government jobs are open to all Canadians. Don't be pissed off that you did not get one or could not get one or even did not apply for one. Oh and thank the unions for all the "perks" they get (I am anti union BTW) 4 minutes ago, Aristides said: The point isn't so much that 1 in 4 work for government, some countries have more. The problem is we have 42,000 private sector employees to pay for 41,000 more public employees in the past year. https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/jobs-july-stats-can-1.7289784 It is all to serve you and your demands...regardless of the party you vote for. Governments do what they do to please you LOL Edited August 11 by ExFlyer Quote The truth does not require participation to exist. Bullshit does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted August 11 Report Share Posted August 11 (edited) So if private sector tax revenue isn't there to make up the difference between what public sector employees are paid and what they pay in taxes, where does the money come from? When you think about it, all the revenues come from the private sector because the taxes public employees pay, also came from the private sector. Edited August 11 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted August 11 Report Share Posted August 11 2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: The government jobs are open to a;l Canadians. More accurately, government jobs are open to people that 'know someone' and 'designated groups'. I did briefly have a summer job at a government building when I was a teenager. I remember employees taking a lot of stuff. My dad worked for the government. He loved to go on benders on weekends and he missed an awful lot of Mondays because he was too hung over to go to work. As a child, I often wondered how on earth he never lost his job after missing to much time. Only when I was older did I realize that this kind of behavior isn't a big deal in government. My dad never saved a dime, never had much money in the bank because he spent a lot on booze and new cars. But he didn't have to save, he had a very good pension to rely on. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted August 11 Report Share Posted August 11 (edited) 22 minutes ago, ironstone said: More accurately, government jobs are open to people that 'know someone' and 'designated groups'. I did briefly have a summer job at a government building when I was a teenager. I remember employees taking a lot of stuff. My dad worked for the government. He loved to go on benders on weekends and he missed an awful lot of Mondays because he was too hung over to go to work. As a child, I often wondered how on earth he never lost his job after missing to much time. Only when I was older did I realize that this kind of behavior isn't a big deal in government. My dad never saved a dime, never had much money in the bank because he spent a lot on booze and new cars. But he didn't have to save, he had a very good pension to rely on. Incorrect. All job applications are reviews blind The reviewers do not know who the applicants are. Only the qualifications and standards for that specific job. I have reviewed many. Have al ook at the applications. Designated groups, yup. That is years of trying to appease everyone. All governments did this, PC's as well as Liberals. Gays, coloured, indigenous, females and other anomalous groups are sometimes put at the front of the hiring list .Governments gotta please everyone. Alcoholism and lack of performance and attendance is not tolerated in the public service so, you are misguided. Alcoholism and drug users are easily hidden, even in civilian jobs. Poor performance is often aided by the unions. I am sorry about your tale of woe about your father. Sounds like he has issues and problems that went unresolved. Don't blame the public service for your fathers failings. Clearly he did not have much of a home life either. Edited August 11 by ExFlyer Quote The truth does not require participation to exist. Bullshit does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 11 Report Share Posted August 11 47 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: 1 hour ago, Aristides said: Yes they do but where does the income come from to pay those taxes? And that matters how??? They also provide the services Canadians want. Regardless of what party is in power. You vote for the party that's going to give oyu the most LOL Wow! Have you ever heard government employees don't produce wealth or any product. They only provide a service. Wealth and prosperity is produced by private industry. That is what creates wealth for a country. The more government employees you have, the more taxes you pay and the less money the people have to pay for the cost of living. Quite simple isn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted August 11 Report Share Posted August 11 2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Incorrect. All job applications are reviews blind The reviewers do not know who the applicants are. Only the qualifications and standards for that specific job. I make this claim because I have a close relative that got into the government last year. I personally think this person is qualified but the father told me how she really got in. Her friend's father, who happened to be involved in the hiring process in some capacity, made sure to 'flag' her resume and bingo, she get's hired. I'm happy for her, now in her early 20's, she can look at a calendar and know almost to the day when she can retire. A former coworker had a serious legal matter ended up with a plum government job. He told me that his neighbor, who also happened to be very involved in the hiring process, gave him a copy of some test in advance so he had an unfair advantage. I'm not suggesting that this happens 100% of the time, but it sure can't hurt to know someone that works in the government. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted August 11 Report Share Posted August 11 1 minute ago, ironstone said: I make this claim because I have a close relative that got into the government last year. I personally think this person is qualified but the father told me how she really got in. Her friend's father, who happened to be involved in the hiring process in some capacity, made sure to 'flag' her resume and bingo, she get's hired. I'm happy for her, now in her early 20's, she can look at a calendar and know almost to the day when she can retire. A former coworker had a serious legal matter ended up with a plum government job. He told me that his neighbor, who also happened to be very involved in the hiring process, gave him a copy of some test in advance so he had an unfair advantage. I'm not suggesting that this happens 100% of the time, but it sure can't hurt to know someone that works in the government. The help can come from someone that knows the department will be hiring and can tell someone. Then they apply as soon as the openings are posted. As I said, when applications come in, they are first vetted to meet the requirements, then the qualifications. In my experience, over 60% do not meet the requirements. Everyone applies. The remaining then go to another board of reviews where they are assigned points. If there are, say 20 positions openings or a for a pool, they are then ranked and put in the pool. Department heads then take from that pool and do interviews. (lately, most are done over the phone so again, the interviewer has no ide awhat they look like). Lots of stories out there but honestly, most are hearsay or downright bunk. The y then decide which applicant best fits the job, the environment and criteria. Quote The truth does not require participation to exist. Bullshit does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted August 11 Report Share Posted August 11 (edited) 16 minutes ago, blackbird said: Wow! Have you ever heard government employees don't produce wealth or any product. They only provide a service. Wealth and prosperity is produced by private industry. That is what creates wealth for a country. The more government employees you have, the more taxes you pay and the less money the people have to pay for the cost of living. Quite simple isn't it. We need public employees of all sorts, including the military. My issue isn't the need for them but the fact the public sector is growing at a greater rate than the tax base to pay for it. Last year it actually shrunk. Edited August 11 by Aristides 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted August 11 Report Share Posted August 11 12 minutes ago, blackbird said: Wow! Have you ever heard government employees don't produce wealth or any product. They only provide a service. Wealth and prosperity is produced by private industry. That is what creates wealth for a country. The more government employees you have, the more taxes you pay and the less money the people have to pay for the cost of living. Quite simple isn't it. Wow...did you just have that brain fart?? LOL Of course the government ts not in a manufacturing or production role. It is not called Public SERVICE because they build things LOL "The more government employees you have," is because you demand more of your governments. And yes, you pay for it, just like you pay for your products. Duhhhh LOL "Quite simple isn't it." LOL Quote The truth does not require participation to exist. Bullshit does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted August 11 Report Share Posted August 11 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: The y then decide which applicant best fits the job, the environment and criteria. How big a role does race/gender/ethnicity play into that? Does it ultimately tip the balance for or against a candidate? Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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