CDN1 Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 (edited) 2 hours ago, herbie said: White Woman Abandons Kids in Mexico Oh the fact she's Canadian or that she's a Mom isn't what's important. She's white and almost certainly a Christian. Or better yet she may be an atheist for even a bigger share of bigots to explode over. Now let's argue for 32 people that headline isn't racist or even prejudicial in any way. Lol. That's already been normalized. Look at the Ralph Yarl case in the US. You will only see race in a legacy media headline if the perp is White and the victim(s) are non-White. This has totally distorted perceptions and influenced policy. At the height of BLM, Democrats were polled and asked how many unarmed Black people were killed by the police every year. Over 1/3 believed it to be over 10,000. Nearly half over 1000. The real number fell somewhere between 9-25. About twice as many unarmed White people were killed. Majority of those still being justified. Edited July 3 by CDN1 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted July 3 Author Report Posted July 3 2 hours ago, eyeball said: Or homophobia stemming from a deep seated and badly misguided conservative value that ME men seem to share. Instead it's all about lefties heads exploding. Sure. And it's all harper's fault anyway. 🙄 1 Quote
eyeball Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 44 minutes ago, CDN1 said: You will only see race in a legacy media headline if the perp is White and the victim(s) are non-White. Then how do you explain this story? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted July 3 Author Report Posted July 3 1 minute ago, eyeball said: Then how do you explain this story? It's not mainstream Canadian media. Go look at the source again. It weren't cbc that reported on it was it. Quote
CdnFox Posted July 3 Author Report Posted July 3 16 minutes ago, eyeball said: Then how do you explain this story? Oh look daily mail UK reported on it too with videos about the beating. No word from our MSM tho. Terrifying moment mob of men brutally beat lesbian couple celebrating a birthday after the women objected to their homophobic slurs | Daily Mail Online Quote
eyeball Posted July 4 Report Posted July 4 22 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Sure. And it's all harper's fault anyway. 🙄 No, this phobia and hatred precedes Harper by centuries. Apparently you need to be somewhat irreligious and progressive to get over it. I guess I need to allow for the possibility I'm at fault here for jumping to the assumption these ME men are not progressive lefties and there's something else going on but what are the chances? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted July 4 Report Posted July 4 21 minutes ago, CdnFox said: It's not mainstream Canadian media. Go look at the source again. It weren't cbc that reported on it was it. CTV covered it. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted July 4 Author Report Posted July 4 8 minutes ago, eyeball said: No, this phobia and hatred precedes Harper by centuries. Not before and not after. It's just in your mind as a sad and tired excuse to blame others Quote
CdnFox Posted July 4 Author Report Posted July 4 7 minutes ago, eyeball said: CTV covered it. Bit of a lie there. His commet was "You will only see race in a legacy media headline if the perp is White" Their headline was "Woman recovering after altercation with group of men" It's the same story but with all descriptions of the men and their country of origin removed. If you read the story you'd thik it was probably white men. The only hint that it's not white men is that they don't mention 'white' which they surely would have if they were white. So they did a 'sanitized' version. And he was still absolutely right. Same story, same headline but no race or ethnicity because they weren't white. Quote
WestCanMan Posted July 4 Report Posted July 4 On 7/2/2024 at 3:11 PM, Michael Hardner said: It's pretty transparent when you only care about hate crimes that are committed by brown people.... You can fill in your own conclusion as will I. Think about this MH, you sick little apologist... If you wanted to find ten like-minded guys to go beat up lesbians, how many people would you have to screen to meet them all? That was a group of people who all hang out together. Do you have the slightest f'ing clue what that says about the tolerance bell curve for that group of people? In any other group those ten people are distant outliers, as in 4 or 5 s-devs from the mean. You'd need to draw all of the ten worst violent freaks from a group of about 15M Canadians to do that. Name me the last time a group of ten non-muslims raped a woman or beat up a couple of lesbians, MH... I'll wait. We both know that hasn't happened here, ever. Not once. And keep in mind that only 2% of our population is even muslim. Statistically speaking, it should happen 50x as often from people of other religious/ethnic groups, seeing as there are 50x as many people in the other groups, right? So when was the last time ten white guys did that? Black guys? Jews? Mormons? Jehovahs? Chinese? Sikhs? Buddhists? Italians? Latinos? A mix of all of them? Not even 10, Mikey. Not even 6. Try 4. Find the last time a group of 4 Canadian males from any other ethnic group beat up on 2 lesbians. It's disgusting that you'd equate other groups with what islamists around the world are doing. No one else forms a new country to that they can ethnically cleanse just because the already mega-bigoted sh1thole countries like Iran and Pakistan aren't bigoted enough for them. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth.
WestCanMan Posted July 4 Report Posted July 4 On 7/2/2024 at 6:05 PM, Michael Hardner said: The most obvious thing would be to condemn the crime without asking why the other numerous examples of these crimes NOT committed by Arabs or minorities are ever reported by this poster or in general on here. Now go get your cap and gown.... cite Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth.
WestCanMan Posted July 4 Report Posted July 4 22 hours ago, herbie said: 10 men beat up two women out celebrating. Checkmark. Quote The ethnicity of the men and the sexuality of the women are secondary to the crime. 1) Ethnicity, yes. Religion, no. FYI DNA doesn't commit crimes, religious bigots do. 2) the sexuality of the victims is a key component here because they're an oft-targeted demographic. If they were librarians, teachers, or landscapers then it would be unlikely that played a factor, but there are a lot of countries where gay people stay in the closet or face death. Quote And even though you can't admit it, everyone knows the reason you posted it was exactly the reason I said. blash blah something shitty about immigrants, Muslims, Trudeau, Liberals, Canada etc. etc.etc. Ya live in the BEST country in the world, ya got it? Get a life FFS. You're not even a good troll. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth.
WestCanMan Posted July 4 Report Posted July 4 10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: What does Middle Eastern mean then? How would you know that other than their look... I can't tell ME men from Italians, Spaniards, Portuguese, Indians, etc, just by looking, and a lot of the ME men over here aren't even muslims. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth.
WestCanMan Posted July 4 Report Posted July 4 8 hours ago, Black Dog said: Let's be real you wouldn't care one bit about this incident of it were a mob of white boys. You're a loser. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth.
WestCanMan Posted July 4 Report Posted July 4 8 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. You said I called you racist. 2. I didn't. 3. You now say I'm dishonest for denying it. Semantic bending can sometimes give you the bends... You insinuated as much in your very first post in this thread. It's was blatant. You're lying now Bending over backward for bigots is as bad as bending over forwards sometimes. 8 hours ago, Black Dog said: I know you do. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth.
eyeball Posted July 4 Report Posted July 4 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: Not before and not after. It's just in your mind as a sad and tired excuse to blame others No, I blame the gang of ME men. I'm just wondering why you people feel the need to make this another issue about being woke. I say it's because you can't own the fact that it's almost always religious conservatives who are most likely to be found attacking homosexuals. I definitely find it interesting that no media is following that up or looking into the background of the attackers other than to report they're middle Eastern. I expect it's a given they'll be considered crazy assed religious fundamentalists but why not conservative as well? What's the more important factor here that they're ME, crazy assed religious fundamentalists or right wing conservatives? If it could be shown they were secular lefties you'd probably have something but I've seen nothing to suggest that have you? I mean that would really clinch the implication the MSM is trying to hide something here. Why are they afraid of delving into the ideological aspects of homophobia? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WestCanMan Posted July 4 Report Posted July 4 8 hours ago, CrazyCanuck89 said: You're right, not every socially conservative person is Christian, but every socially conservative person is religious. Never heard of an atheist, who is also socially conservative. I'm a social conservative and an atheist. I'm patriotic (or was until Trudeau came along - now I hate 50% of Canadians), I believe in celebrating the traditional religious holidays, I support religions like Sikhism, Buddhism, Christianity, I believe in the nuclear family above all else, and I believe in traditional gender roles. I understand some people are born gay, and I'm indifferent to that, but I do feel lucky to be cisgender because when you find a life partner there's always a good chance that you can have a family. I just don't believe in the great googly moogly. I think there's less than a 0% chance that an omniscient, omnipotent being created the whole universe before there was even a grain of sand. If other people wanna believe, good for them. My son has even been going to church this year. If I had to say I believe in one thing it would just be the golden rule. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth.
CdnFox Posted July 4 Author Report Posted July 4 54 minutes ago, eyeball said: No, I blame the gang of ME men. ME men? Sorry - sometimes it's hard to keep up with all of your imaginary friends, who're those again? Quote I'm just wondering why you people feel the need to make this another issue about being woke. I say it's because you can't own the fact that it's almost always religious conservatives who are most likely to be found attacking homosexuals. Cite? None? No cite at all? Can't find anything? Just made it up did you? Sigh, well... not like anyone's surprised. In any case it's a 'woke' issue because right now in Canada and the US there's a craptonne of 'woke' protestors insisting that palestinians and people from that part of the world such as syria are ultra-accepting of gays and definitely support the lgbtq community. Allah loves gays you see. Of course it's patently insane. Allah throws gays off of roof tops. Syrians would happily beat gays and lesbians to death and palestinians would burn them at the stake and sleep like babies that night. But they insist - and there's a push to bring more of them here by those same people. So it's worth pointing out that a bunch of syrian immigrants didn't turn out to be quite that tolerant of gays. Quote I definitely find it interesting that no media is following that up or looking into the background of the attackers other than to report they're middle Eastern Our media didn't even report that. However the story i posted said they were syrian. Quote I expect it's a given they'll be considered crazy assed religious fundamentalists but why not conservative as well? Because most muslims and syrians support the left. That's why trudeau is always sucking up to them. These are YOUR people, not ours Quote What's the more important factor here that they're ME, crazy assed religious fundamentalists or right wing conservatives? Sorry kiddo - they're leftists. Which is why our papers didn't report their ethnicity or country of origin at all. Those are the people left wing fanatics are supporting right now. Quote If it could be shown they were secular lefties you'd probably have something If it could be shown they were even a tiny bit on the right we'd have heard all about it But the fact is they're the people supported by the left. Which is why my point was - maybe the left needs to rethink that. THey don't seem quite as accepting as the left thinks they are. Quote
WestCanMan Posted July 4 Report Posted July 4 8 hours ago, Goddess said: Why do you think this should be hushed up and not discussed? That's not their point. They think it should be discussed, but as always, we're supposed to do so within the framework of their approved (non-fascist) narratives, so facts are verboten. In this case their primary narrative is: "Every racial and religious group of men is just as likely to do that sort of thing to women as muslims, especially cisgender white devil-men." [You can throw in gratuitous jabs at cgwd-m whenever you want and it's not racist] Now choose from one of their secondary narratives or you're a racist: the fact that those two women were lesbians had nothing to do with the fact that they were beaten up. They were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. If they were the 3rd and 4th wives of a mullah, and they were wearing burqas and bringing halal groceries back to their home, they would have gotten beaten up just as badly. the women were beaten because they were lesbians, but "all dudes in Canada do that sort of thing to lesbians". Note that if you choose #2, you don't need to have any examples of times when other groups of men did it. If anyone asks for facts, they're racist. 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth.
eyeball Posted July 4 Report Posted July 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: ME men? Sorry - sometimes it's hard to keep up with all of your imaginary friends, who're those again? The Syrians in your thread title. You can't even keep up with your own thread you're such a frickin' doofus. 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Cite If you were capable of following the discussion you started you'd see references to woke from the usual right wing conservatives. 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: In any case it's a 'woke' issue because right now in Canada and the US there's a craptonne of 'woke' protestors insisting that palestinians and people from that part of the world such as syria are ultra-accepting of gays and definitely support the lgbtq community. Allah loves gays you see. You're hallucinating. I don't see that happening and in fact here I am pointing out they're homophobic because they're religious conservatives. 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Because most muslims and syrians support the left. That's why trudeau is always sucking up to them. Trudeau will suck up to anyone. In the meantime you'll have to come up with something tangible that suggests these guys are lefties. You recognize their religion probably had something to do with why they attacked these women but you can't seem to draw the same connection to their ideological views, and especially as they relate to homosexuality. As I pointed out earlier we have our experience with right wing christianity and it's dim view, to say the least, towards homosexuality to guide our thinking on the motivating factors here. So is it religion that drives homophobia the hardest or conservatism and why are they so closely associated in the first place? I think you'll have a hard time convincing anyone that it's actually gangs of secular lefties that are running around attacking homosexuals. 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Which is why my point was - maybe the left needs to rethink that. THey don't seem quite as accepting as the left thinks they are. I have no issue at all with screening immigrants for overtly right wing views and values that are obviously out of sync with Canada's. We're a progressive country and that needs to be protected. Edited July 4 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted July 4 Author Report Posted July 4 36 minutes ago, eyeball said: The Syrians in your thread title. You can't even keep up with your own thread you're such a frickin' doofus. Are you on glue or something? There's no mention of syrians in the thread title. The mention of syrians is from the article: Emma MacLean was walking with her girlfriend Tori in Halifax, Canada when a group of about ten ‘middle eastern men, believed to be from Syria’ came towards them.Sigh. What the hell's the matter with you? No drinking before posting. 39 minutes ago, eyeball said: If you were capable of following the discussion you started you'd see references to woke from the usual right wing conservatives. That's not what i asked you to cite. Thanks for answering a question nobody asked i guess. Seriously what the hell is wrong with you tonight? 40 minutes ago, eyeball said: You're hallucinating. I don't see that happening and in fact here I am pointing out they're homophobic because they're religious conservatives. Which you couldn't cite and are just making up. Ok - i dont' know what brand of cough syrup you're drinking this evening but you're obviously about as mentally fit as biden during a debate right now. have a sleep and maybe try again in the morning. Quote
Goddess Posted July 4 Report Posted July 4 So this article from today sort of sums up what I was trying to convey yesterday: Gad Saad: The West suffers from cultural self-delusion (msn.com) Western politicians view magnanimity, empathy, kindness, and tolerance toward outgroup members as laudable traits. It is a form of virtuous largesse that permits Western leaders to pat themselves on the back whilst admiring their reflections in the mirror. Many middle eastern societies interpret these overt virtuous signals as manifestations of pathological weakness. They consider the values that they hold dear as precisely those that any society will cherish with equal alacrity. This cultural blindness results in extraordinarily disastrous domestic and foreign policy errors. Granting entry to millions of immigrants who otherwise possess values that are perfectly antithetical to those of the host nations is a manifestation of cultural blindness. .....namely you hold the misguided view that the values cherished in your society must be those that are equally cherished by everyone else around the world. It is a form of narcissistic cultural imperialism. Nothing could be further from the truth. As someone who was born and raised in the Middle East, I am always baffled by the astounding cultural blindness exhibited by the likes of Justin Trudeau, a man-child void of worldly savoir-faire. 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
CrazyCanuck89 Posted July 4 Report Posted July 4 (edited) 13 hours ago, WestCanMan said: I'm a social conservative and an atheist. I'm patriotic (or was until Trudeau came along - now I hate 50% of Canadians), I believe in celebrating the traditional religious holidays, I support religions like Sikhism, Buddhism, Christianity, I believe in the nuclear family above all else, and I believe in traditional gender roles. I understand some people are born gay, and I'm indifferent to that, but I do feel lucky to be cisgender because when you find a life partner there's always a good chance that you can have a family. I just don't believe in the great googly moogly. I think there's less than a 0% chance that an omniscient, omnipotent being created the whole universe before there was even a grain of sand. If other people wanna believe, good for them. My son has even been going to church this year. If I had to say I believe in one thing it would just be the golden rule. You can't be an Atheist and a Social Conservative. Social Conservatism is based on the fact that my God or Gods say what you're doing is a sin. Edited July 4 by CrazyCanuck89 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted July 4 Author Report Posted July 4 9 minutes ago, CrazyCanuck89 said: You can't be an Atheist and a Social Conservative. Social Conservatism is based on the fact that my God or Gods say what you're doing is a sin. Nonsense. There's a lot of people who have 'moral' values which arent' tied directly to religion. I believe stealing is wrong and i'm not religious - "UNPOSSIBLE" you'd say A social conservative is simply a conservative who believes that it's appropriate for a gov't to enforce a moral code which reflects traditional values on the public by force of law. Everyone believes that a LITTLE (which is why theft is illegal) but people who consider themselves social conservatives tend to accept that kind of gov't intervention more or by some definitions as their primary political concern or voting motivation. And honestly there's not all that many who would fall into that category. Whereas the liberals and left these days mostly tend to fall into the socialist liberal category which is where their moral beilefs should be enforced by force of law, but instead of traditional values they substitute a social agenda. Same thing really. Gov'ts really should not be used to enforce moral or ethical beliefs overly much. If anything they should be striving to keep things neutral and level and focus on personal rights. Quote
Army Guy Posted July 5 Report Posted July 5 On 7/3/2024 at 5:03 PM, herbie said: White Woman Abandons Kids in Mexico Oh the fact she's Canadian or that she's a Mom isn't what's important. She's white and almost certainly a Christian. Or better yet she may be an atheist for even a bigger share of bigots to explode over. Now let's argue for 32 people that headline isn't racist or even prejudicial in any way. Maybe we should be asking why we feel the need to whitewash the news ? if everyone is upset about the mention of muslim men...why do we allow the fact both were identified as lesbians, why not just 2 girls...is the fact they are lesbians integral to the story, would it change the story if they were straight women...... I think so, as the fact that these 10 men are Muslim it tells the whole story...it gives the motive for the 10 men to beat them up in the first place...are people that soft we can not handle the entire story or are we trying to protect muslim men from bad stereotypes...... I mean if it was not for these 10 muslim mens actions that night this would not be a story, their actions brought shame to all muslims, or white, black brown, or purple people whom ever did it...Should the entire community not be made aware that there is a group of 10 MUSLIM men roaming their neighborhood, beating up gay women....where is the balance, public safety, or bad stereotypes. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
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