Canada may need to brace for influx of undocumented immigrants if Trump becomes president

[CdnFox]

Opinion: Canada may need to brace for influx of undocumented immigrants if Trump becomes president - The Globe and Mail

Polls show that Donald Trump has a better-than-even chance of winning the U.S. presidential election on Nov. 5. This would pose grave challenges for Canada, in areas from trade to defence to immigration.

On the immigration front, the best solution might be to thin the border rather than thicken it. Here’s why:

Mr. Trump and his allies are threatening to use law enforcement officials, the National Guard and perhaps even the active military to round up an estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants, corral them in detention camps, then deport them.

This could result in undocumented immigrants leaving the U.S. for Canada.

The latest version of the Safe Third Country Agreement stipulates that an asylum seeker crossing into Canada from anywhere along the border must be returned to the U.S. But that won’t lessen the influx of asylum-seekers, Prof. Macklin believes; it only means they will put themselves at risk by clandestinely attempting dangerous water or land crossings.

And “it will be a job-stimulus package for smugglers,” she predicted.

Both Prof. Macklin and Jamie Chai Yun Liew, a professor of law at the University of Ottawa who is also an authority on immigration and refugee issues, believe the better solution would be to restore the opportunity for asylum-seekers to use official ports of entry and to initiate their request for asylum there, the Safe Third Country Agreement notwithstanding.

 

so basically, the leftists are arguing that if trump gets in we really need to open up our borders as wide as possible. I'm shocked. Are you shocked? I was shocked. 

 

 

[taxme]

On 6/20/2024 at 10:48 AM, CdnFox said:

Opinion: Canada may need to brace for influx of undocumented immigrants if Trump becomes president - The Globe and Mail

Polls show that Donald Trump has a better-than-even chance of winning the U.S. presidential election on Nov. 5. This would pose grave challenges for Canada, in areas from trade to defence to immigration.

On the immigration front, the best solution might be to thin the border rather than thicken it. Here’s why:

Mr. Trump and his allies are threatening to use law enforcement officials, the National Guard and perhaps even the active military to round up an estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants, corral them in detention camps, then deport them.

This could result in undocumented immigrants leaving the U.S. for Canada.

The latest version of the Safe Third Country Agreement stipulates that an asylum seeker crossing into Canada from anywhere along the border must be returned to the U.S. But that won’t lessen the influx of asylum-seekers, Prof. Macklin believes; it only means they will put themselves at risk by clandestinely attempting dangerous water or land crossings.

And “it will be a job-stimulus package for smugglers,” she predicted.

Both Prof. Macklin and Jamie Chai Yun Liew, a professor of law at the University of Ottawa who is also an authority on immigration and refugee issues, believe the better solution would be to restore the opportunity for asylum-seekers to use official ports of entry and to initiate their request for asylum there, the Safe Third Country Agreement notwithstanding.

 

so basically, the leftists are arguing that if trump gets in we really need to open up our borders as wide as possible. I'm shocked. Are you shocked? I was shocked. 

 

 

Maybe that is what the Marxist dictator in Ottawa will be hoping for. After all, this buffoon has already allowed way too many 3rd world illegal refugees and unwanted/unneeded immigrants into Canada. Close to 4 million in the past several years alone. Canada's population just 5/6 years ago was around 36 million. Now we are at 40 million. It's not looking very good for the white folk in Canada who are slowly being replaced by the rest of the non-white world. Just my opinion. 😇 

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 6/21/2024 at 3:01 PM, taxme said:

It's not looking very good for the white folk in Canada who are slowly being replaced by the rest of the non-white world. Just my opinion. 😇 

It is not looking good for any Canadian white or otherwise if we end of having a Canada overpopulated (shortage of housing, over-crowded hospitals, over-used infrastructure, racial tensions)

[I am Groot]

We have a large and growing illegal migrant problem. And it's our own fault. We used to get two-thirds fewer asylum claimants, but Trudeau put an end to that when he both expanded the definition of what a refugee is and then broadcast to the world how welcoming we would be to anyone showing up as a 'refugee'. Every one of those now hundred thousand people a year has a phone and are all phoning home telling their relatives and friends to come on over because there is no law to stop them.

Because there isn't. We have no way of removing illegal immigrants, or even finding them. We don't even have an organization to search for them.

So to be clear, anyone can show up from anywhere and make a claim. They then have something like five years here to go through the bureaucracy of hearings and appeals (all at our expense). At the end of which they can make a new claim based on getting married, say, or having a kid here. Or, they can just shrug and continue to stay on without citizenship. Foreign communities are more than large enough now to let people work under the table. And there is a thriving market in fake documents. 

But most claims are accepted. Why not? The sympathetic liberals at the refugee board won't challenge someone who says they're gay or trans. And either is enough to get your claim accepted if you can claim you are oppressed in your home country. Hell, we just accepted two Japanese lesbians because they claimed they were discriminated against at home. Not oppressed, not persecuted, not threatened with jail or death, just discriminated against. So what are the odds they turn down a man who claims he's gay and being is from Iran? Or even Egypt? Or, say India?

I expect at least 90% of the foreign workers and foreign students who aren't given citizenship to claim refugee status.

Edited June 23, 2024 by I am Groot

[ExFlyer]

So, can all this anti immigrant posting be considered "hate posting"?

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

So, can all this anti immigrant posting be considered "hate posting"?

It's not "anti-immigrant". It's "anti-immigration system as it is currently not working."

[ExFlyer]

19 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

It's not "anti-immigrant". It's "anti-immigration system as it is currently not working."

Hmmm, being anti-immigration  is being anti immigrant.

Or are you attempting to say there are better immigrants and worse immigrant and ones you like and ones you don't like?? Or are you saying all immigrants are bad and we should not let any in?

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Hmmm, being anti-immigration  is being anti immigrant.

 

I mean, you know that's wrong don't you? You don't need that explain to you right? You can have a problem with the system and not have a problem with any of the people obviously.

And there are definitely better immigration candidates than others. A high school dropout with a criminal record and history of serial rape is not as good a candidate as a graduated last year with a degree in Medicine who doesn't even have a parking ticket on his record.

That should be pretty obvious too

[taxme]

On 6/22/2024 at 12:57 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

It is not looking good for any Canadian white or otherwise if we end of having a Canada overpopulated (shortage of housing, over-crowded hospitals, over-used infrastructure, racial tensions)

Immigration will bankrupt us all into oblivion if it is allowed to continue. In the past five years, our population has grown by an extra five million people and approx. 80% of those new immigrants and refugees came from non-white countries. Any fool can see that all of these millions of non-white people will eventually replace the white folk in Canada. Many of our big major cities in Canada are already starting to turn nonwhite. White folk are in big trouble indeed. Just saying 😇

[taxme]

On 6/23/2024 at 11:13 AM, ExFlyer said:

So, can all this anti immigrant posting be considered "hate posting"?

Nope. It is just just my instinct for my white racial survival in Canada. To have an opinion about immigration is not being racist or promoting hatred. It is just my racial instinct for survival for my white brothers and sisters that i am concerned about. I do not want to live in a country that has dozens of different languages, religions cultures and traditions where many of those cultures end up bringing with them their hatred and racism into Canada and towards other cultures. 

Thanks to left wing liberal nonsense like multiculturalism and diversity those new immigrants are told that they do not need to assimilate anymore into Canadian culture but just carry on like they did from whence they came. We are starting to see way too many foreign cultures that now have their own schools, religious buildings, TV, radio and newspapers in their own languages and businesses that can pretty much operate and deal in their own foreign language and culture and are pretty much able to survive and avoid joining the Canadian white culture. In order for them to get by they must speak the English language of this country in order to get by, for now.  

To not become part of the white fabric of Canada is showing their own true racism and hatred towards their white hosts. Enough already. It is time to end this divisive Marxist program and agenda of multiculturalism and diversity now before it becomes too late and the white folk lose their own white homeland. It will happen. Just my own opinion of course. 😇

[taxme]

On 6/23/2024 at 1:26 PM, ExFlyer said:

Hmmm, being anti-immigration  is being anti immigrant.

Or are you attempting to say there are better immigrants and worse immigrant and ones you like and ones you don't like?? Or are you saying all immigrants are bad and we should not let any in?

Stop always looking for some racism or hatred in some things said here. According to the Charter of Rights, forum members here do have the right to their freedom of expression and their opinions. Personally, i am all in for a moratorium on immigration for at least seven years to try and get this country back on track. More immigration will not help but hinder. Just saying. 

[ExFlyer]

On 6/23/2024 at 11:27 PM, CdnFox said:

I mean, you know that's wrong don't you? You don't need that explain to you right? You can have a problem with the system and not have a problem with any of the people obviously.

And there are definitely better immigration candidates than others. A high school dropout with a criminal record and history of serial rape is not as good a candidate as a graduated last year with a degree in Medicine who doesn't even have a parking ticket on his record.

That should be pretty obvious too

[CdnFox]

42 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

 

Oh Noes - hes' gone full retarded and can't speak  

Usually i don't make you cry THAT hard till the evening   

[Army Guy]

On 6/23/2024 at 5:26 PM, ExFlyer said:

Hmmm, being anti-immigration  is being anti immigrant.

Or are you attempting to say there are better immigrants and worse immigrant and ones you like and ones you don't like?? Or are you saying all immigrants are bad and we should not let any in?

Yes, there are better immigrants, or regions to pick from...I think we would all be agree to , no criminals we have enough already(liberal party) , no gang members, no terrorist or terrorist supporters, no racists we already have way to many, no cancel culture no hard leftists extremists, no hard right wingers, no hard core eviromentists, ....... If you fit into any of those categories please report to BC coast where you will be boarded onto ships to take you away to your new paradise..south pole where you'll get to play with penguins, have snowball fights, make snowmen  all year round...well most of the year anyways...

what we are looking for for is hard working , honest people, that are smart full of initiative, proud of who they are, and where they came from, but also proud to be given a chance to be Canadian. people who are not looking for a hand out but willing to work hard at making a good community. people with good moral values, who loves family, and everything that brings to the table...I'm sure i'm forgetting some other important stuff...but it's a good start. 

[ExFlyer]

3 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Yes, there are better immigrants, or regions to pick from...I think we would all be agree to , no criminals we have enough already(liberal party) , no gang members, no terrorist or terrorist supporters, no racists we already have way to many, no cancel culture no hard leftists extremists, no hard right wingers, no hard core eviromentists, ....... If you fit into any of those categories please report to BC coast where you will be boarded onto ships to take you away to your new paradise..south pole where you'll get to play with penguins, have snowball fights, make snowmen  all year round...well most of the year anyways...

what we are looking for for is hard working , honest people, that are smart full of initiative, proud of who they are, and where they came from, but also proud to be given a chance to be Canadian. people who are not looking for a hand out but willing to work hard at making a good community. people with good moral values, who loves family, and everything that brings to the table...I'm sure i'm forgetting some other important stuff...but it's a good start. 

Look, I agree that our immigration system has gotten out of control but, in today politically correct atmosphere, your long list of "no's" would be very difficult to vet.

In the past, we have not been so politically correct and yet, we allowed lots of "bad" people in. Once in, we cannot get them out.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Oh Noes - hes' gone full retarded and can't speak  

Usually i don't make you cry THAT hard till the evening   

Such a failure.

Cannot come up with a proper retort.

So sad, you have fallen so far LOL

[ironstone]

On 6/23/2024 at 2:13 PM, ExFlyer said:

So, can all this anti immigrant posting be considered "hate posting"?

It's more akin to being 'anti mass immigration'.

[CITIZEN_2015]

3 hours ago, taxme said:

Immigration will bankrupt us all into oblivion if it is allowed to continue. In the past five years, our population has grown by an extra five million people and approx. 80% of those new immigrants and refugees came from non-white countries. Any fool can see that all of these millions of non-white people will eventually replace the white folk in Canada. Many of our big major cities in Canada are already starting to turn nonwhite. White folk are in big trouble indeed. Just saying 😇

Not sure why you put so much emphasis in skin color rather than incompatible culture (banning  criminals or those who don't believe in the equality of women for example or respect for other beliefs than theirs). Are you saying that if all those 4 millions immigrants recently arrived were from Russian mafia or Eastern Europe human or drug traffickers then since they were while then it was all right and Canada would have been in good position?

[I am Groot]

On 6/23/2024 at 4:26 PM, ExFlyer said:

Hmmm, being anti-immigration  is being anti immigrant.

Or are you attempting to say there are better immigrants and worse immigrant and ones you like and ones you don't like?? Or are you saying all immigrants are bad and we should not let any in?

Clearly we should be seeking the best, not people to work at Tim Hortons.

Nor should we be admitting 146,000 'refugees' every year, most of whom have few or no job or language skills

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Look, I agree that our immigration system has gotten out of control but, in today politically correct atmosphere, your long list of "no's" would be very difficult to vet.

There are ways to ensure we get the best, like prioritizing applicable education and job skills and requiring would-be citizens get a job offer before letting them in. Prioritize couples who both have such skills over couples where only one has them. Prioritize those who are most willing and able to adapt their values to ours and integrate. 

And use the Notwithstanding clause to stop most immigrants at the borders, including putting those who land at airports from safe third countries or who tore up and flushed their documents on board right back on the plane they got off of.

[ExFlyer]

26 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

There are ways to ensure we get the best, like prioritizing applicable education and job skills and requiring would-be citizens get a job offer before letting them in. Prioritize couples who both have such skills over couples where only one has them. Prioritize those who are most willing and able to adapt their values to ours and integrate. 

And use the Notwithstanding clause to stop most immigrants at the borders, including putting those who land at airports from safe third countries or who tore up and flushed their documents on board right back on the plane they got off of.

Not going to argue that the immigration system is broken. It very much seems to be.

I think th e Notwithstanding clause is applicable to Canadians and governments only.

 

 

 

[August1991]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Yes,

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...what we are looking for for is hard working , honest people, that are smart full of initiative, proud of who they are, and where they came from, but also proud to be given a chance to be Canadian. people who are not looking for a hand out but willing to work hard at making a good community. people with good moral values, who loves family, and everything that brings to the table...I'm sure i'm forgetting some other important stuff...but it's a good start. 

In the 1890s, Clifford Sifton did that.

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And federal Canada is f*cked since. Sifton refused any Quebecers moving West.

Edited June 26, 2024 by August1991

[PIK]

Family reunification needs to be ended.

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Such a failure.

Cannot come up with a proper retort.

So you've gone from 'can't talk at all '  to 'now talking to yourself'  

Just FYI - nyquil isn't supposed to be a recreational drink.   

[Army Guy]

17 hours ago, August1991 said:

In the 1890s, Clifford Sifton did that.

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And federal Canada is f*cked since. Sifton refused any Quebecers moving West.

Are you saying Quebecor's are not hard worker honest folks.... or is it something else...