Canada slowly acknowledging there never was a 'mass grave' (Residential Schools)

[CdnFox]

Canada slowly acknowledging there never was a 'mass grave' | National Post

Long story short, despite years of searching and hundreds of millions of dollars they haven't found any actual bodies yet. The nation freaked, the world was shocked, the senate even passed laws against 'Denialsm",  but at the end of the day it just hasn't materialized. 

[taxme]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Canada slowly acknowledging there never was a 'mass grave' | National Post

Long story short, despite years of searching and hundreds of millions of dollars they haven't found any actual bodies yet. The nation freaked, the world was shocked, the senate even passed laws against 'Denialsm",  but at the end of the day it just hasn't materialized. 

Just more lies coming from the government on top of more lies coming from the government. Just like covid, the climate crisis, EV's and mass grave sites, they all are just more government lies and bullshit. When our lying governments tells the people to stop, the people should then do the opposite and go. Works for me all the time. 😁

[herbie]

"Canada" never said there were mass graves. Neither did the Band.

Mass graves are when you bury a whole bunch of bodies in one hole. Only the alarmist reporting referred to them as that.
But if you want to ignore 215 anomalies, an oral history of burials in the school yard and missing or incomplete records of why, who and where deaths and burials happened, feel free to feel good about yourself.

Yes a couple native activists used the term 'mass graves;, after it had been incorrectly used and spread about, just like how people use the term :union bosses" all the time.

[herbie]

And per usual accusing them of lying by claiming they said something other than what they did?

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, herbie said:

Yes a couple native activists used the term 'mass graves;, after it had been incorrectly used and spread about, just like how people use the term :union bosses" all the time.

And? Whether you say mass graves or  a grave site or whatever the implication is there's bodies there. 

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But if you want to ignore 215 anomalies, an oral history of burials in the school yard and missing or incomplete records of why, who and where deaths and burials happened, feel free to feel good about yourself.

But they didn't. They gave them millions to find the bodies and get to the bottom of it. 

Three years ago. 

Where's the bodies?

Nobody disputes that kids died living at school. The records are not inomplete at all, they died mostly of tuberculosis and they died whether they were at school or at home.  First nations are more susceptible to TB than most. 

so that's about 85 plus percent of the deaths. of the remainder Spanish influenza killed the vast majority. Then you get a tiny amount that's left that was from other illness, accident, etc. There's no mystery here and nobody who has looked at this in the past would have been surprised. And of course we know there are some schools that have bodies built buried there because they were also churches and there are other people's bodies buried there as well.

So what's the issue in the first place? People died during the TB epidemic?  That's not news, they say they found all these mass bodies and that that was a terrible thing because it meant that they weren't returned to their homes. But when they were given money to find the bodies and return them home..... Nothing

The whole thing is a PR hoax. The suggestion from the beginning is that something terrible happened to these children that was abnormal which is a lie. The other suggestion was that they were dumped haphazardly engraves and just left wherever and that was a lie.

They did not die from maltreatment or foul play. And their bodies weren't just buried any old place without regard and forgotten.

[WestCanMan]

50 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Canada slowly acknowledging there never was a 'mass grave' | National Post

Long story short, despite years of searching and hundreds of millions of dollars they haven't found any actual bodies yet. The nation freaked, the world was shocked, the senate even passed laws against 'Denialsm",  but at the end of the day it just hasn't materialized. 

We were even accused of genocide by winners like Iran.

Funny story: my wife and I were at a large surprise party for someone's 60th last weekend and the woman across from me referenced the "mass grave" at the residential school and I said "Are you talking about the tree roots?" ( I live for sh1t like that)

My wife gave me probably the firmest foot-nudge of our 20-yr relationship, and the woman across made the requisite b1tch-face but back-peddled to "The natives there are still really mad", but i never eased up on her at all. I just said "Maybe they're mad about something, but it's not a mass grave, because there isn't one. Just tree roots." 🤣

If it comes down to it, I don't really give a sh1t how mad someone gets just for being corrected when they're falsely accusing someone of the mass murder of children. It's utterly ridiculous that someone is still talking in those terms in spring of 2024.

Anyways, if it matters, her story in general was about moving to some remote area of Manitoba where the population is primarily native. She was trying to sound like a concerned SJW. Blahblahblah. I have no doubt that natives there will eventually start to feel the exact same way about her that I do. 

 

This BS about investigating all the rez schools for mass graves is just like the Trump collusion trial and all these other BS trials against him. There's no real investigation because everyone knows there was never a mass-murder, but holding the investigations lends the impression that maybe there was.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Yes a couple native activists used the term 'mass graves;, after it had been incorrectly used and spread about, just like how people use the term :union bosses" all the time.

 

• Preliminary findings from a survey of the grounds at the former Kamloops Indian Residential School have uncovered the remains of 215 children buried at the site, the Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc First Nation said Thursday.

  The First Nation said the remains were confirmed last weekend near the city of Kamloops, in B.C.'s southern Interior. 

Who's "The CBC"? Are they "a couple native activists"?

Let's not dither between whether there was an accusation of one mass grave or an accusation of 215 individual graves in one area, all that was in that location was some tree roots. 

Apparently there was a massive tree with roots that seemed like they were from 215 trees, or there were 215 trees, but it was all just tree roots. 

[I am Groot]

Even if there are graves that's a meaningless accusation. They're in the middle of nowhere. Of course, they had a graveyard. Lots of people died of various communicable diseases back then. What else were they supposed to do other than bury them? And they tended to use wooden crosses as there were no stonemasons around to cut headstones.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Even if there are graves that's a meaningless accusation. They're in the middle of nowhere. Of course, they had a graveyard. Lots of people died of various communicable diseases back then. What else were they supposed to do other than bury them? And they tended to use wooden crosses as there were no stonemasons around to cut headstones.

It's even more challenging considering the vast majority of them died from tuberculosis. Bodies from victims of tuberculosis remain contagious for quite a long time after their death. It's very difficult to move them safely for any distance. And it's not like they had Refrigeration the way we do now for much of that time

[West]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

"Canada" never said there were mass graves. Neither did the Band.

Mass graves are when you bury a whole bunch of bodies in one hole. Only the alarmist reporting referred to them as that.
But if you want to ignore 215 anomalies, an oral history of burials in the school yard and missing or incomplete records of why, who and where deaths and burials happened, feel free to feel good about yourself.

Yes a couple native activists used the term 'mass graves;, after it had been incorrectly used and spread about, just like how people use the term :union bosses" all the time.

Polio was lethal back in the day.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, West said:

Polio was lethal back in the day.

That's true, but the biggest killer was actually tuberculosis. And not just for the first nations. Tuberculosis ran amok for years and was almost completely incurable especially for older people and children. And as bad as it was in the general community first nations people turn out to be extremely susceptible to tuberculosis. Even today they catch tuberculosis at a rate of about 40 to 1 over the rest of the population.

That accounted for something like 85 or so % of the deaths of the remaining percent the vast majority died to influenza. After that other illnesses such as polio etc, and then accidents and such. 

[West]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Even if there are graves that's a meaningless accusation. They're in the middle of nowhere. Of course, they had a graveyard. Lots of people died of various communicable diseases back then. What else were they supposed to do other than bury them? And they tended to use wooden crosses as there were no stonemasons around to cut headstones.

At the same time there was some evidence of policies that would not allow for protocols to be implemented to prevent such illnesses. 

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, West said:

At the same time there was some evidence of policies that would not allow for protocols to be implemented to prevent such illnesses. 

Like what? They didn't understand policies that would make a difference in those days. It was barely understood how this stuff was even transmitted. The children lived basically the same life or slightly better than they would have on the reserve. In those days nutrition was crappy, conditions were cramped, and there wasn't the same hygiene of having a shower everyday. But that was true both of the schools and in the reserves.

It may be hard for people today to understand but At that time kids died of illness. They did so on the reserve they did so off the reserve. They did so if they were white black red yellow or tangerine. And the conditions were the same in any of the facilities the catholics ran whether it was a residential school or an orphanage or whatever.

It's crappy that in those days children died. My own family lost children to tuberculosis on the prairies back in the day. But that doesn't make it some sort of crime or holocaust

[herbie]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Who's "The CBC"? Are they "a couple native activists"?

Is the term mass graves anywhere in there?

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Even if there are graves that's a meaningless accusation. They're in the middle of nowhere. Of course, they had a graveyard. Lots of people died of various communicable diseases back then

It's FAR from "meaningless", the Kamloops school did NOT bury them in 'the graveyard' and what they died from is what doesn't matter.
There were no records kept, no markings yet you don't think that's an indignity?

And WhoTF are you to claim generations of attendees were all liars? Oh yeah, the same lot still claiming The Donald's innocence.

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, herbie said:

It's FAR from "meaningless", the Kamloops school did NOT bury them in 'the graveyard' and what they died from is what doesn't matter.

It's pretty much the only thing that matters

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There were no records kept, no markings yet you don't think that's an indignity?

Sure there were. For various reasons most of the records were eventually disposed of in the '60s. That would have been long after the people died and certainly any family would have had tons of time to request the records by that point. Also it is been noted many times that most of the time when kids were buried if they had a wooden cross and the graves were marked. But guess what happens to wood after a hundred years. You can argue that someone should have paid to put new markers in place when the old ones began to rot but in a lot of cases those schools weren't even there anymore.

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And WhoTF are you to claim generations of attendees were all liars? Oh yeah, the same lot still claiming The Donald's innocence.

The dead people aren't being accused of being liars. Here's the thing though, if what the living people are saying is true and that they have found all of these bodies, having been given millions of dollars why can't they produce any bodies? It's almost as if they're not really there. It is pretty reasonable to ask someone who's made a concrete statement like"Here is a field full of bodies" To be able to present a body.

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

"Canada" never said there were mass graves. Neither did the Band.

Mass graves are when you bury a whole bunch of bodies in one hole. Only the alarmist reporting referred to them as that.
But if you want to ignore 215 anomalies, an oral history of burials in the school yard and missing or incomplete records of why, who and where deaths and burials happened, feel free to feel good about yourself.

Yes a couple native activists used the term 'mass graves;, after it had been incorrectly used and spread about, just like how people use the term :union bosses" all the time.

The media used the term mass graves, 

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That evening CTV News was reporting shockwaves rolling across the country: “The discovery of the mass grave is gripping the nation tonight. . .” By then, Trudeau had already lowered the flag on Parliament Hill. By Monday, the flag was down on all federal buildings across the country. The Toronto Star’s Monday edition: Mass grave of Indigenous children discovered in Kamloops BC. The CBC, also on Monday: “After childrens’ mass grave found, advocates say it’s time to scan all residential school sites.”

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/first-nations-graves

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The local Indigenous leaders most directly involved in last summer’s ‘discoveries’ tended to be the most cautious of all the various participants in the rancorous public debates. In some cases, those local leaders had never even intended to draw any public attention to the ‘ground truth’ work they were overseeing at the residential school sites that ended up the subject of all those shocking headlines,” wrote National Post columnist Terry Glavin in a detailed account last May of how the 2021 graves issue was misrepresented by Canadian and international media.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/first-nations-graves

[herbie]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

The media used the term mass graves, 

That is exactly what I said. So when will they start calling Arlington Cemetery a mass grave too?

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, herbie said:

That is exactly what I said. So when will they start calling Arlington Cemetery a mass grave too?

They might if it turns out to be a first nations grave site  

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Is the term mass graves anywhere in there?

I already explained to you that saying "215 confirmed graves of children" and being 100% wrong is no better than saying "215 confirmed bodies of children in a mass grave" and being 100% wrong. 

Stop trying to hide behind semantics now.

The fact is that you guys made a horrible accusation and rolled with it for years when it was completely unfounded. Once again you were stooged, herbie. Maybe learn from it. Maybe stop watching CTV and CBC and calling it "news". 

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

That is exactly what I said. So when will they start calling Arlington Cemetery a mass grave too?

I was just providing a source bug guy...

[Goddess]

19 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It's even more challenging considering the vast majority of them died from tuberculosis. Bodies from victims of tuberculosis remain contagious for quite a long time after their death. It's very difficult to move them safely for any distance. And it's not like they had Refrigeration the way we do now for much of that time

Maybe this is why I've seen some commenting on X that now that they haven't found any bodies, the claim is that the bodies were incinerated.

I've looked to see where the source of the incinerator claim is, but haven't found the original source.

[WestCanMan]

27 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Maybe this is why I've seen some commenting on X that now that they haven't found any bodies, the claim is that the bodies were incinerated.

It's bizarre how desperate people are to create a false narrative around the residential school program.

To listen to leftards talk about it, you'd think that it was a vast conspiracy among every white Canadian to get all indigenous children raped and converted to Christianity. 

There's no consideration for the fact that when our ancestors were living in insulated houses with 50,000 BTU coal stoves, there were native children growing up in igloos and teepees, with no hope of ever attending a university or getting a job outside of the "hunter/gatherer" category.

Next time you're in the frozen tundra on Jan 15th, and it's 35 below with a 20 mph wind, just imagine how fun life must have been for kids living in stone age accommodations. Of course there were a lot of very concerned people who were hoping to do what was best for the children, and not trying to hurt them. And TBH, if people were so racist that they'd want to harm them, why would they spend all the time and money to try to help them? I think that the people who didn't like them would probably rather have saved the money and let them continue to live in the stone age right through to today.

And I'm not denigrating first-nations people when I say "stone age": the fact that the Inuit survived 10,000 or 25,000 years whatever with stone age technology in the frozen north is one of mankind's greatest achievements imo. It's on par with travelling to the moon, maybe even more impressive. But new technology came to the area and I doubt that many would go back to igloos and teepees if they were really given the opportunity. 

[I am Groot]

20 hours ago, herbie said:

It's FAR from "meaningless", the Kamloops school did NOT bury them in 'the graveyard' and what they died from is what doesn't matter.

You don't know where they buried them or why or with what markers.

20 hours ago, herbie said:

There were no records kept, no markings yet you don't think that's an indignity?

I'm sure there were records once upon a time. Stuff gets lost after a hundred years..

20 hours ago, herbie said:

And WhoTF are you to claim generations of attendees were all liars? Oh yeah, the same lot still claiming The Donald's innocence.

Never been a fan of the Donald. And yes, people, shockingly, will lie if you offer them a whole lot of money to tell you a story that needs no evidence. Oh, I'm sure some were mistreated. Such was the lot in boarding schools. Spare the rod and spoil the child was the culture back then. Even for the rich. King Charles described the one he went to as Colditz in kilts. Imagine what orphanages were like! 

Edited May 31, 2024 by I am Groot

[herbie]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

It's bizarre how desperate people are to create a false narrative around the residential school program.

He says as if it's not him creating one.

[WestCanMan]

11 minutes ago, herbie said:

He says as if it's not him creating one.

Nice try loser. 

So what's your honest guess at who started the res school program and why? I'd love to hear it. 

Edited May 31, 2024 by WestCanMan