Trudeau wants to make sure we're not vulnerabalizing kids.

[CdnFox]

 

Sigh.  He really inspires a sense of confidence these days.  I feel so good knowing our leadership is in the hands of this great thinker.  Well.. he can find his way off the stage so i suppose there' that

Once again he's out there trying to divide people. He wants to shatter canada into as many small pieces as possible and have them fight for his amusement and for votes. 

He has no business wading into this fight other than he things if he can make one group of people hate another group that somehow he'll win the next election, and he doesnt' care if it permanently harms canada

[Moonlight Graham]

He has the vibe of a guy who is dejected and checked out.

Pretty clear they won't run him in the election next year, they may be timing his resignation closer to the election so the new leader doesn't get blamed for any of the mess in his wake.  Maybe a Fall or even Spring 2025 Liberal leadership race. If I were a Liberal I definitely wouldn't put my hat in if I had any serious ambitions.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

He has the vibe of a guy who is dejected and checked out.

Pretty clear they won't run him in the election next year, they may be timing his resignation closer to the election so the new leader doesn't get blamed for any of the mess in his wake.  Maybe a Fall or even Spring 2025 Liberal leadership race. If I were a Liberal I definitely wouldn't put my hat in if I had any serious ambitions.

They can't.  Whenever that happens it's a disaster -  the first trudeau did that and the libs got squashed - the PC did that and were reduced to 2 seats and never rose again. 

even if you go FAST - it takes at least 6 months to have a leadership race and hoenstly 9 is better.  It takes time for the candidates to test the waters to see if they have the support to make it worth it, if they can come up with the money - and then they have to campain and convince the members to vote for them. 

Then - once the campaign is done that person has to recruit and hire an election team, who will have to get the party organized, come up with some policy for the election, work on the nominations and vetting, and all of that takes a LOT of time.  A year is the usual 'minimum' - if you rush like hell you can half ass the job in maybe 6 months but don't expect a great campaign, 

And you have to hire an actual campiagn manager who'll put it together for you when the election starts and figure out ALL the adverting across the nation etc. 

Plus if people just donated to a leadership campaign it may be hard to get money for the election so someone's got to organize the fundraisers. 

To be blunt - it's VERY hard to do a good job in 2 years start to finish. We are already under that.  

The simply cannot afford for it not to be him who runs.  If he walks away they are screwed. If he waits till the fall to resign the party faces the very real threat of a 'kim campbell' moment. 

[Guest]

I will vote him out just to never hear the words "will step up", again. I would vote out any leader who did so after.

That, or to be gaslit into thinking paying more for my fuel will stop forest fires and weather calamities.

[Zeitgeist]

11 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

He has the vibe of a guy who is dejected and checked out.

Pretty clear they won't run him in the election next year, they may be timing his resignation closer to the election so the new leader doesn't get blamed for any of the mess in his wake.  Maybe a Fall or even Spring 2025 Liberal leadership race. If I were a Liberal I definitely wouldn't put my hat in if I had any serious ambitions.

They should throw someone in as leader who is on the brink of retirement and would be happy to have the PM title on the resume for a few months.  Of course the decent way for Trudeau to end his PM role play is to go down with his ship as PM in the next election.  If he did so, it wouldn’t be out of honour but pride, because he thinks he can win the election. 

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

because he thinks he can win the election. 

That level of delusion, is both comical and disturbing.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

They should throw someone in as leader who is on the brink of retirement and would be happy to have the PM title on the resume for a few months.  Of course the decent way for Trudeau to end his PM role play is to go down with his ship as PM in the next election.  If he did so, it wouldn’t be out of honour but pride, because he thinks he can win the election. 

I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to find someone like that, and even if they did throw someone like that in the party could actually do WORSE. There's at least SOME die hard libbie fans out there who will vote for him (a couple here in fact  )  

 A new face could kim campbell the party.  

They're going to have to ride it out. IF he gets sick of it and leaves on his own they'll be screwed. 

[herbie]

an he uses big wurds too!

Vote for the guy who won't tell you nuthin about nuthin, just repeats wut you whine about on TV.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

an he uses big wurds too!

Sure like vulnerabalizing    

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Vote for the guy who won't tell you nuthin about nuthin, just repeats wut you whine about on TV.

See?  I KNEW you were voting for Justin   

[Guest]

12 hours ago, herbie said:

Vote for the guy who won't tell you nuthin about nuthin, just repeats wut you whine about on TV.

Many Canadians will simply vote for anyone but Trudeau. 

Trudeau talks a lot about what he's done, but gaslights Canadians about the damage included in the mix.

[Nationalist]

Man Pixie-Dust get more dangerous by the day...

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Many Canadians will simply vote for anyone but Trudeau. 

Trudeau talks a lot about what he's done, but gaslights Canadians about the damage included in the mix.

He hasn't actually done anything, and when you listen to his replies they have a certain formula to them where he avoids having to talk about that. He first restates the problem as if he was the one bringing it up and stating it, (even if he disagrees), then he claims it's a problem everywhere and goes on about insigificant details and will pretend he's been talking to canadians about this, till people forget there WAS a question and then claims they're already fixing it without really saying how. He will then say he's trying to fix things for "All canadians'   

Pick a topic. The rise in interest rates for example. 

"Mr trudeau, why are interest rates climbing under your leadership"

"I think you'll agree that inflation is one of the largest problems facing young people today. It's a global issue that's being felt in every country everywhere and as we know from the past inflation is a terrible thing that can quickly impact people's lives in a negative fashion. Canadians want lower inflation That's why my government will continue to do everything we can to fight inflation and create a better life for all Canadians

trudeau's other little trick if you haven't noticed is to constantly say the word Canadians. And he insists on what Canadians want or what they believe or how they think. Canadians want vaccine hesitant people to suffer. Canadians know that I'm doing my best on inflation and if that's not good enough too bad. Canadians believe that parents have no right to know about their child's mental health.

He thinks if he tells people that Canadians want or believe or whatever that they will be more likely to think that they should too because after all, the rest of Canada already wants or believes that way apparently.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

He hasn't actually done anything

You can smoke weed legally.

If you're a family of 4 on welfare (or refugees), you've just hit the jackpot on getting free money. The average Canadian family has less than 2 kids.

If you make 65K or more, congrats. You're helping to pay for it.

Have two cars? Pay your fair share, and bend over! Deep in debt, tough s**t. 

Coming to think of it, his legalizing weed is genius, because if you truly realize the damage, a fat spliff is probably the best thing since sliced bread to you. Probably cheaper, too.

 

[WestCanMan]

Didn't that champion of anti-vulnerablization tell the world that little kids need the jab, long after we knew that not to be the case? 

[Nationalist]

48 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

You can smoke weed legally.

If you're a family of 4 on welfare (or refugees), you've just hit the jackpot on getting free money. The average Canadian family has less than 2 kids.

If you make 65K or more, congrats. You're helping to pay for it.

Have two cars? Pay your fair share, and bend over! Deep in debt, tough s**t. 

Coming to think of it, his legalizing weed is genius, because if you truly realize the damage, a fat spliff is probably the best thing since sliced bread to you. Probably cheaper, too.

 

Ya know...interesting you should bring that up. During the soviet days, booze was cheaper than water. Seems getting the populace high makes it easier for them to swallow being broke.

[Zeitgeist]

18 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

You can smoke weed legally.

If you're a family of 4 on welfare (or refugees), you've just hit the jackpot on getting free money. The average Canadian family has less than 2 kids.

If you make 65K or more, congrats. You're helping to pay for it.

Have two cars? Pay your fair share, and bend over! Deep in debt, tough s**t. 

Coming to think of it, his legalizing weed is genius, because if you truly realize the damage, a fat spliff is probably the best thing since sliced bread to you. Probably cheaper, too.

 

Exactly.  Raise debt, inflation, and taxes, make people feel guilty about asking for a bag at the grocery store or going on a road trip, but give them drugs and assisted suicide to deal with the fallout of their broken dreams. Birth control and abortion are free and unlimited, just in case you had the high and mighty idea of saving enough money to have kids and buy a home.  Why bother?  Get a small rental apartment, have poly hetero and non-hetero sex, go on meth or opioids, collect welfare, then book your appointment with the MAID team.  So much for the Canadian Dream…

Edited May 20, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[paradox34]

On 5/17/2024 at 8:53 PM, CdnFox said:

 

Sigh.  He really inspires a sense of confidence these days.  I feel so good knowing our leadership is in the hands of this great thinker.  Well.. he can find his way off the stage so i suppose there' that

Once again he's out there trying to divide people. He wants to shatter canada into as many small pieces as possible and have them fight for his amusement and for votes. 

He has no business wading into this fight other than he things if he can make one group of people hate another group that somehow he'll win the next election, and he doesnt' care if it permanently harms canada

The danger to Canada is not Justin Trudeau, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him being Prime Minister. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of a Trudeau Liberal government than to restore the common sense and good judgment of a depraved electorate willing to elect such a man and his party. The problem is much deeper and more serious than Trudeau who is merely a symptom of Canada’s sickness. Blaming the prince of fools should not blind one to the vast confederacy of fools that made him prince. The country can survive Trudeau who is after all merely a fool. It can not survive the fools that willingly elected his party to govern.

[Michael Hardner]

23 minutes ago, paradox34 said:

The danger to Canada is not Justin Trudeau, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him being Prime Minister. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of a Trudeau Liberal government than to restore the common sense and good judgment of a depraved electorate willing to elect such a man and his party. The problem is much deeper and more serious than Trudeau who is merely a symptom of Canada’s sickness. Blaming the prince of fools should not blind one to the vast confederacy of fools that made him prince. The country can survive Trudeau who is after all merely a fool. It can not survive the fools that willingly elected his party to govern.

Ok, but Trump is much worse IMO.  But,ok, we're electing incompetent leaders because we're sick and the political sphere is sick.

What do we do to get better?

The system is too complicated to reform, and yet desperately needs reform. Undemocratic solutions aren't the answer either.

[CdnFox]

47 minutes ago, paradox34 said:

The danger to Canada is not Justin Trudeau, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him being Prime Minister. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of a Trudeau Liberal government than to restore the common sense and good judgment of a depraved electorate willing to elect such a man and his party. The problem is much deeper and more serious than Trudeau who is merely a symptom of Canada’s sickness. Blaming the prince of fools should not blind one to the vast confederacy of fools that made him prince. The country can survive Trudeau who is after all merely a fool. It can not survive the fools that willingly elected his party to govern.

A reasonable argument.  You get the gov't you deserve as the saying goes. 

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ok, but Trump is much worse IMO.  But,ok, we're electing incompetent leaders because we're sick and the political sphere is sick.

What do we do to get better?

The system is too complicated to reform, and yet desperately needs reform. Undemocratic solutions aren't the answer either.

The system isn't the problem. Which is what he was saying. The problem is the  voters.  And he's right. 

There is nothing you can do to "fix" a car if the driver is going to fall asleep at the wheel and not do his job.  

In the 80's when it became clear that the PC party had become corrupt and was impossible to salvage the voters including the conservatives did the right thing and wiped them out.  Not just voted them out but reduced them to 2 seats. 

We've seen that repeated in a number of provincial cases both on the right AND left with the ndp. IN bc for example when the ndp appeared to be corrupt or dishonest voters reduced them to 2 or 4 seats (can't remember now.)  If politicians know that's the fate of those who cross a line then they'll smarten up a bit. 

If we were going to make any changes to the system i'd say make the pensions longer to kick in.  You have to have represented your riding for 12 years instead of 6 (in total, not consecutive).  Then politicians would be VERY afraid of getting wiped out.. 

IF they know you'll accept any level of corruption they put out there for 10 years as has been the case so far with justin, there's really no reason for them to behave, 

[Michael Hardner]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

1. The system isn't the problem. Which is what he was saying. The problem is the  voters.  And he's right. 

2. If we were going to make any changes to the system i'd say make the pensions longer to kick in.  You have to have represented your riding for 12 years instead of 6 (in total, not consecutive).  Then politicians would be VERY afraid of getting wiped out.. 

3. IF they know you'll accept any level of corruption they put out there for 10 years as has been the case so far with justin, there's really no reason for them to behave, 

1. Okay, well instead of saying we'll fix the system, how about we make it fit for use by the existing electorate. 

2. Okay, I like the fact that your suggestion is concrete and realistic. Not sure if it would do much to stop any party leader, such as Trudeau, since going against him would get you booted from the party anyway. Right? And if you try to run independently... Good luck.

3. I think if we look at the media supporting the public sphere, and what's wrong with that, we might come up with a solution that aligns The voter with the information they need. 

Some ideas here though. Thanks