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8 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Recently mail in ballots were sent out in NV. There were errors? Immediately the conspiracy theories started coming in. Guess what? It was all wrong. Simple logistical error. They printed on 3 instances and one was in error. The third job, the one that contained the errors was sent out inadvertently.

You mean 3 batches? Different printers? Seems like a hell of an "error," NOT inadvertent. Whoever discovered the error batch should have discarded it IMMEDIATELY and not given ANYONE a CHANCE to send it out.

8 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

This is how the Internet and discussion forums are not helpful. Simple, garden variety human error was to blame.. nothing nearly as grand or exciting as certain types would like it to be. This small time case exemplifies the sore loser act that everybody in politics seems to portray. Nobody can simply lose.. it was rigged. 

Are you not aware of the history of MANY purposeful election fraud shenanigans? Most by private actors, AKA NOT government elections officials. Think last minute poll lists being scrubbed by Brian Kemp as SoS in GA when he was ON THE BALLOT. Clear conflict of interest.

THOSE make suspicions of purposeful election fraud legitimate. They DO NOT make inciting VIOLENCE AFTER court challenges FAIL, legitimate.

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17 minutes ago, robosmith said:

The machine controlled how the punch tool interacted with the card, NOT THE VOTER.

LOL, it is comical how unrelenting you are in not admitting the obvious. The voter was responsible for putting the ballot into the "machine" properly and aligning it properly. The voter was responsible for picking up that punch and pushing it all the way through the ballot. 

The simple fact here is that at the end of the day, it was the voter's responsibility to ensure a handheld hole punch actually created a hole in the ballot to make their choice. 

22 minutes ago, robosmith said:

I explained it to you AGAIN, cause you STILL FAILED to understand due to cognitive dissonance.

No, you just keep saying I am wrong. Where? How?

22 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Prove it. Where are the instructions telling the voter to check the scan and flag errors?

Thanks for admitting that the machines were SO UNRELIABLE they produced AMBIGUOUS RESULTS.

That is why those machines were discarded.

Where were the instructions that told voters how to stand upright and then walk on two legs? Where were they? OMG!?!?!?! How did they know how to walk without guidance on how to walk?!

I don't have to "prove it" that if you are given a ballot to vote for someone and you turn in the ballot without ensuring that it was marked correctly, then that is your fault. 

The guidance on the "machine" did instruct them to ensure they pushed down through the ballot as well. I already provided you a picture of this. 

The vast majority of people voted just fine. We are talking about a very small percentage of votes that were not clearly marked. The fact that the technology at the time produced an opportunity for people to be dumb, doesn't change the fact that those dumb people turned in an incomplete ballot. It didn't count because of that. 

The votes that did count show that Bush won. Gore Lost. 

The same thing would happen if you mail your ballot to china instead of the election office... it isn't going to count. If you forget to mail your ballot and leave it laying on the floor of your car... it is not going to count. If you didn't clearly mark who you were voting for on your paper ballot that you mail in... it is not going to count. 
 

28 minutes ago, robosmith said:

The machines were defective because they produced UNINTENDED RESULTS.


No, the machines were not great, confusing, which led to issues with voters not clearly marking their ballots. Just as if people don't mail their ballots in correctly, or if people don't mark their paper ballots correctly, or if people choose the wrong person on an electronic machine and then don't review it before hitting submit... Gore lost. The people who correctly marked their ballots had their votes counted and recounted. Gore lost. 

 

 

30 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You've already admitted the machines were defective, because they produced AMBIGUOUS RESULTS.

No, dumb people turned in ballots without checking they were properly marked. The Machines made this more likely to happen. People could still correct this before submitting their votes, as the vast majority of people turned in perfectly marked ballots that could be scanned. Gore Lost. 

31 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You are FULL OF SHIT. Trump incited violence in an ILLEGAL ATTEMPT to overturn the election and intimidated elections officials to change the count.

I HAVE DONE NOTHING to change ANY ELECTION DECISION. 

Thanks for proving just how UNHINGED YOU ARE. 👋

Listen to yourself, "screaming" at me in all caps here refusing to accept these basic facts. Gore Lost. You are the unhinged one about it, which is why you are no better than Trump in the end. 

 

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38 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You mean 3 batches? Different printers? Seems like a hell of an "error," NOT inadvertent. Whoever discovered the error batch should have discarded it IMMEDIATELY and not given ANYONE a CHANCE to send it out.

Are you not aware of the history of MANY purposeful election fraud shenanigans? Most by private actors, AKA NOT government elections officials. Think last minute poll lists being scrubbed by Brian Kemp as SoS in GA when he was ON THE BALLOT. Clear conflict of interest.

THOSE make suspicions of purposeful election fraud legitimate. They DO NOT make inciting VIOLENCE AFTER court challenges FAIL, legitimate.

Oh.. so you are a conspiratorial thinker... I thought better of you. It was a simple mistake. They do happen. Not every error or mistake is due to some illuminati conspiring in the background. Just today.. i found 3 transcription errors on forms filled out by business owners. They must be conspiring against someone, somebody. 

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15 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Oh.. so you are a conspiratorial thinker... I thought better of you. It was a simple mistake. They do happen.

The fact that purposeful frauds "do happen" justifies suspicion about "simple mistake."

NOT DISCARDING discovered errors is a mistake that is NOT SIMPLE when the results produce great damages to reputation.

The "mistake" is FAULTY TRAINING which does not account for the disastrous repercussions of ALLOWING the possibility of erroneous ballots being distributed.

15 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Not every error or mistake is due to some illuminati conspiring in the background.

"Every," is NOT alleged. But EVERY error damages reputations and contributes to justification of suspicion.

15 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Just today.. i found 3 transcription errors on forms filled out by business owners. They must be conspiring against someone, somebody. 

Like Trump's "transcription error" of FALSELY classifying a bribe to silence as "legal expenses"?

You have to consider the POSSIBLE motivations by looking at the RESULTS of the "simple error."

That clearly was NOT "legal expenses" when you consider the evidence of KNOWLEDGE that the "legal expenses" would no longer be necessary AFTER the election. 

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3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

The fact that purposeful frauds "do happen" justifies suspicion about "simple mistake."

NOT DISCARDING discovered errors is a mistake that is NOT SIMPLE when the results produce great damages to reputation.

The "mistake" is FAULTY TRAINING which does not account for the disastrous repercussions of ALLOWING the possibility of erroneous ballots being distributed.

"Every," is NOT alleged. But EVERY error damages reputations and contributes to justification of suspicion.

Like Trump's "transcription error" of FALSELY classifying a bribe to silence as "legal expenses"?

You have to consider the POSSIBLE motivations by looking at the RESULTS of the "simple error."

That clearly was NOT "legal expenses" when you consider the evidence of KNOWLEDGE that the "legal expenses" would no longer be necessary AFTER the election. 

Well.. I am part of the real world where simple mistakes do happen and happen often. Humans are imperfect. When the issue that I brought up was investigated... none of your assumptions were even close. Care to know the source of the problem or do you want your hollywood-esque fantasies?

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6 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Like Trump's "transcription error" of FALSELY classifying a bribe to silence as "legal expenses"?

You have to consider the POSSIBLE motivations by looking at the RESULTS of the "simple error."

That clearly was NOT "legal expenses" when you consider the evidence of KNOWLEDGE that the "legal expenses" would no longer be necessary AFTER the election. 

A bribe is based on some underlying illegality. It is not illegal to pay someone hush money to not talk about something embarrassing. 

Classifying the expenses as a "legal expense" is a minor misdemeanor for which the statute of limitations has run out. 

So, what is your point?

 

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Trump’s VP Contenders Echo His Claims on Election Fraud, Debate Drug Tests

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Sen. Marco Rubio refused to commit to accepting the results of the 2024 election. Sen. Tim Scott said President Biden should take a drug test. And Rep. Elise Stefanik snapped at a television host who brought up an article questioning her support for Donald Trump.

All three Republicans appeared on Sunday news shows, and all three are candidates in the unofficial race to become Trump’s running mate. Their performances show that being in the Trump veepstakes can entail embracing some of the former president’s controversial or unsupported claims, and facing uncomfortable moments. 

Of course they do. Personal loyalty to Trump's LIES are the bare minimum of things that count to him.

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5 hours ago, robosmith said:

 

You are FULL OF SHIT. Trump incited violence in an ILLEGAL ATTEMPT to overturn the election and intimidated elections officials to change the count.

Has he been convicted of that? Do you have any proof that a judge has said that that's true? So in other You have no proof

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I HAVE DONE NOTHING to change ANY ELECTION DECISION. 

The Russians say you did. Trust me. The FBI will have the proof. Any day now. We promise. AAnnnnnyy minute now...  just give us another 4 years and we'll have it.. 

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1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Of course they do. Personal loyalty to Trump's LIES are the bare minimum of things that count to him.

And yet you are in this thread lying to support your saying Gore did not lose. 

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Kristen Welker interviews VP contender Marco Rubio

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Q: KW: Will you accept the election results no matter what happens?
Marco Rubio: No
KW: Will you accept the election results no matter who wins?
Rubio: The Democrats...
KW: Every Democrat that lost conceded their election. Will you accept the election results no matter who wins?
Rubio: *refuses to answer*
KW: You voted to certify the 2020 election. Do you think Trump's comments about election interference undermine Americans’ confidence in democracy?
Rubio: *refuses to answer* 



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On 5/23/2024 at 5:31 PM, User said:

And yet you are in this thread lying to support your saying Gore did not lose. 

Gore conceded. YOU'RE the one who's LYING.

What I said is that we don't know the vote count in FL because the SCOTUS stopped it prematurely. 

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2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Gore conceded. YOU'RE the one who's LYING.

Gore has gone on to say he should have won... and my comment was directed to YOU. You were the one claiming the election was not legitimate. You are pushing lies to claim that. 

 

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

What I said is that we don't know the vote count in FL because the SCOTUS stopped it prematurely. 

This is a lie. We do know the vote count. We had machine recounts and we have those numbers too. 

Look at that, a vote count!

FLORIDA Bush, George W. R 2,912,790 48.85 Gore, Al D 2,912,253 48.84

https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/FederalElections2000_PresidentialGeneralElectionResultsbyState.pdf

Gore lost. 

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On 5/17/2024 at 3:59 PM, User said:

Of course, I can compare the two. I just did. You just don't like to acknowledge the facts here, that both Clinton and Gore engaged in the same petty game Trump did and does. All you can do is try to downplay it. So, they didn't do it as much as Trump... LOL, that is your big sticking point? OK. And those were just the comments from them, nevermind many Democrats all still push the same crap.

What a bunch of nonsense. Trump didn’t simply “make comments”. He tried to overturn the election in a number of ways:

- 60+ bogus lawsuits filled with lies and unconfirmed rumours that were all THROWN OUT OF COURT as completely meritless and unworthy of the court’s time

- The fake electors scam wee false elector certificates were forged sent to congress with the hope of sowing confusion during congressional ratification of results on Jan 6 

- Trump’s calls to election officials pressuring them to change their results in his favour 

-Trump’s role in encouraging the Jan 6 attack in which many of his supporters beforehand their belief that if they could prevent the election from being certified exactly on Jan 6 as required by the constitution then the election would be nullified 

Gore didn’t force the recount nor was he out of line to challenge the recount method chosen by the state considering no method was prescribed and the Republican officials under the command of Bush’s brother sought a method that was most favourable to Republicans.

When Gore lost he didn’t allege conspiracies or claim the legal system was rigged, he respected the court’s decision while making it clear he continued to disagree with it, which is in keeping with core principles of democracy. Democracy doesn’t require you agree with the court’s decisions, simply that you abide by it and respect the institution and its authority.  
 

Conversely Trumps attempts to undermine and delegitimize the 2020 election with baseless claims of conspiracy and the “deep state” were an attack on democracy itself. 

On 5/17/2024 at 3:59 PM, User said:

Again, for all practical purposes of concession to the Presidency, Trump left. Trump left peacefully. He walked right out the door, got on the helicopter, and flew away. He publically announced his administration was transferring over to Bidens. Here you go again, don't believe me, believe the media who reported it:

"President Trump concedes, condemns supporters who rioted"

That’s AFTER JANUARY 6 when all of the attempts mentioned above failed. Not a coincidence. Neither Clinton not Gore nor any other US Presidential candidate waited so long to concede.  Has that ever happened in US history?  
 

Gore called Bush to congratulate and concede the day after the court decision was received. Hilary, and Obama both congratulated Trump on his win in person and in public on November 9 2016. Obama then hosted Trump at the White House per tradition.  Trump never did either for Biden after 2020 and despite your clip to this day he continues to claim he won the election and there was a conspiracy to rig the election.

Despite his admission in your clip in the immediate aftermath of Jan 6 that it was a “heinous attack” since then he and republicans including those on this forum have reverted back to their original false claim that Jan 6 was a peaceful family friendly event and the convicted insurrectionists are innocent and prisoners  

Trump is a habitual liar  He says whatever is most convenient to his impulses in the moment and in the moment of the video clip you provided, when the nation and Republicans were still in shock from Jan 6 , he briefly changed his story to a moderate one nd his cult followers dutifully lobotomized themselves in order to install the new story and soon afterwards lobotomized themselves again to revert back to the original story. 
 

 

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Wasting your time with these deadheads Beave. As has been said: You can convince 1,000 men with their prejudices faster tan convince one with logic.

Meanwhile I have decided to stop calling them Trumpoids, Trumpalosm, keeners, Russian trolls, etc.
 i pronounce the new name shall be "Splinters" and it's simply a matter of declaring Trump as Splinter Prime, the queue notations, and who shall be Splinter "n" (the last one in the line to happily swallow every single drop of shit that flows down it).

 

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9 hours ago, herbie said:

Wasting your time with these deadheads Beave. As has been said: You can convince 1,000 men with their prejudices faster tan convince one with logic.

Meanwhile I have decided to stop calling them Trumpoids, Trumpalosm, keeners, Russian trolls, etc.
 i pronounce the new name shall be "Splinters" and it's simply a matter of declaring Trump as Splinter Prime, the queue notations, and who shall be Splinter "n" (the last one in the line to happily swallow every single drop of shit that flows down it).

 

It's funny how folks like you always seem to have time for petty, childish name-calling—just not a good argument. (well an attempt at good argument anyways...) 

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On 5/16/2024 at 10:40 AM, robosmith said:

The article is not about "some politician trying to win a race," it is about ALL the SYCOPHANTS who face PRESSURE to deny the election results WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE OF FRAUD.

More precisely, they deny acceptance of the RESULTS (post legitimate disputes/recounts) solely to please the LIAR Trump.

roboshill works within a very tight box these days. He has to, because his guy is such an old, useless, pervert degenerate, wastrel. lol

 

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11 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

What a bunch of nonsense. Trump didn’t simply “make comments”. He tried to overturn the election in a number of ways:

Yeah... just like Gore tried to "overturn" the election the same ways...

*GASP* You mean Trump tried to use the legal system to challenge things?

Guess what, that is what Gore did too! Gore tried to throw out Military votes AND he tried to selectively recount votes and "interpret" them to his favor. 

Yes, Gore did in fact try to force a selective recount to "interpret" voters intent to his favor. 

The recount method was not "chosen" by the state. It was what the law called for. They recounted the ballots with the machine. That was it. 

You clearly do not understand how any of this worked or are just being intentionally deceitful here. 

Voters, to some extent, did not clearly punch their ballots. The machine could not count their votes, because they were not punched correctly. The recount Gore wanted would have sought to "interpret" voters intent based on how much the ballot had been marked and to do so only in the counties that would most likely be believed to favor him. 

It is not just when Gore lost... he accepted the results, the Democrats in general did not, as they to this day still say that the SCOTUS robbed Gore of the election. 

And Gore continued to say after this that he was basically robbed too. 

11 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

That’s AFTER JANUARY 6

And?

You are moving the goal posts now. You tried to claim he never conceded, then you tried to claim it was not a concession... only after I destroyed your repeated false claims, now your big complaint is that it was after January 6th?

LOL, and it took Gore over a month to concede, too... Oh man, only after his failed attempts to try to overturn the election. Not a coincidence!

Since Trump said what he did about January 6th the following day, this politicized DOJ has gone on to try to railroad folks who were peaceful that day. Yes, Trump and others have rightly condemned this. 
 

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6 hours ago, Deluge said:

roboshill works within a very tight box these days. He has to, because his guy is such an old, useless, pervert degenerate, wastrel. lol

 

Tight box :) dude, considering the black hole that is his brain where  all reason and logic is sucked away,  a brain so dense that no thought can escape,  he's not working in a box- he's down to working in a singularity ;)  

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On 5/16/2024 at 9:47 AM, gatomontes99 said:

2016 Democrats losing their shit because Trump won:

I mean, it goes on and on and on.

‘Not Our President’: Protests Spread After Donald Trump’s Election

And some of those protests got violent. But that doesn't matter because they are on your side, right? Its only when the right does it that it becomes reprehensible.

Not to mention the fact that they constantly endorsed overt references to Trump's assassination, and incited their followers to harass, intimidate and threaten members of the GOP, right up to the point where one of their cultists brought a rifle to the congressional baseball game and started shooting Republicans.  

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5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Tight box :) dude, considering the black hole that is his brain where  all reason and logic is sucked away,  a brain so dense that no thought can escape,  he's not working in a box- he's down to working in a singularity ;)  

He's practically his own negative event. lol

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Welcome to the world.. From here on out.. every election will not be won or lost. Nope. Every loser will claim that it was rigged against them. Even the winners will sometimes claim that they should have won by more but it was rigged. Such a sad state of affairs.. never in American history has being the sore loser been so accepted. 

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1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

Welcome to the world.. From here on out.. every election will not be won or lost. Nope. Every loser will claim that it was rigged against them. Even the winners will sometimes claim that they should have won by more but it was rigged. Such a sad state of affairs.. never in American history has being the sore loser been so accepted. 

Truth be told, they have done poles going back several elections now. Certainly for the entirety of the 21st century it has already been the case that the losing side believes that the election was rigged in favor of The Winning Side. Like overwhelmingly so. Regardless of who wins.

So the US has been heading down this path for quite some time. I'm sure you've noticed I've made several posts noting that this is a very serious problem and that what should happen is they should federalize the election process and put in place the requirements for voting and make them strong enough that it is difficult for most people to argue that rigging could have taken place without someone noticing

Our Canadian system makes cheating on any kind of scale challenging. So even when people lose an election they believe that it was still fairly held for the most part. Heck, Trudeau did not win the popular vote in the last two elections and yet you don't hear conservatives in Canada screening up and down about how things are unfair.

The us is going to fall apart if somebody doesn't get this in hand. People have to have faith in their elections and they don't at the moment and haven't for quite some time

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1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Truth be told, they have done poles going back several elections now. Certainly for the entirety of the 21st century it has already been the case that the losing side believes that the election was rigged in favor of The Winning Side. Like overwhelmingly so. Regardless of who wins.

So the US has been heading down this path for quite some time. I'm sure you've noticed I've made several posts noting that this is a very serious problem and that what should happen is they should federalize the election process and put in place the requirements for voting and make them strong enough that it is difficult for most people to argue that rigging could have taken place without someone noticing

Our Canadian system makes cheating on any kind of scale challenging. So even when people lose an election they believe that it was still fairly held for the most part. Heck, Trudeau did not win the popular vote in the last two elections and yet you don't hear conservatives in Canada screening up and down about how things are unfair.

The us is going to fall apart if somebody doesn't get this in hand. People have to have faith in their elections and they don't at the moment and haven't for quite some time

Its promising to see that at least one other notices that BOTH sides do it. We had a primary election for governor and a small county commissioner race where the sore loser act crept up. The loser in both cases lost big but they could not accept the result. So they paid for a recount.. failed. And then when that did not work, they took to social media and found an audience. 

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18 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Welcome to the world.. From here on out.. every election will not be won or lost. Nope. Every loser will claim that it was rigged against them. Even the winners will sometimes claim that they should have won by more but it was rigged. Such a sad state of affairs.. never in American history has being the sore loser been so accepted. 

Here on out?

Democrats STILL cry about Bush v Gore, Democrats spent the entirety of Trumps first term claiming he stole the election with Russia, as did Clinton too. 

This notion that somehow things are only different now with Trump is just false on its face. 

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