Pro-Hamas Rallies in Canada

[CdnFox]

33 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You did no such thing. You figure they're bring rewarded?

yes, actually. This is the reward you get when you start a war. When you choose violence and launch a war of aggression without declaration targeted at civilians and slaughter and mutilate people this is your reward. When you elect and support a government that is genocidal and who stated purpose is war with the neighbor, this is your reward.

If you choose peace, decide to live together and tolerate each other, and throw out corrupt governments that insist on war, then the reward is an expanded economy, Prosperity, and peace.

Either way they earn what they get. They will literally get what they worked for, one way or another. I know as a leftist you don't understand that, but in life you get what you worked for and what they worked for is war

[User]

36 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You did no such thing. You figure they're bring rewarded?

Yes, I did. Here you are again:

"No, at least 1/3 of those are Hamas militants killed in a war. The rest are the tragic collateral damage from killing that 1/3 because Hamas is fighting from among their people and, instead of helping to keep their people safe, they willingly endanger them just so they can get folks like you to play the stupid games you are doing right now. "

37 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm to busy criticizing the real root causes of the current outbreak of hostilities - Iran, Russia and China.

And yet, you are repeatedly focused on Israel in this thread. It is only when I push you to criticize Hamas you deflect to Iran, Russia, and China. 

If that is the real root cause you are focused on, lets see you spend your time actually focused on them instead of blaming Israel and criticizing them as you are doing. 

38 minutes ago, eyeball said:

War making, peace keeping, humanitarian aid rinse and repeat for generations to come. This is a forever war.

Then we support the quick and decisive destruction of the terrorist thugs doing it... Hamas. 

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, eyeball said:

Like I said it was a disaster. Probably the single worst act of geopolitical vandalism in the history of geopolitics given the sheer scope and scale of the blowback.

And now we're leaving it to our grandkids to deal with. A real heritage we can all be proud of for sure.

When Pakistan was created there were 800-1M Sikhs and Hindus slaughtered as well as 500K-700K muslims killed. About 15M people were displaced. 

It will take a lot of Oct 7ths and a lot of reprisals to get to 1.5M deaths. The total number of people killed in all of Israel's conflicts is around 150K. 

The only difference is that the muslims can't let go of the 500 deaths in 1948. The "nabka".

[Black Dog]

16 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Do you have proof of that, it seems history says different...Israel has offered many times a peace deal that would include a 2 state solution, why would they offer if they had no interest in a deal....

It's certainly not as simple as that though i understand why pro-israel people like to pretend it is.

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Why so dramatic ,Nobody in Gaza is starving, or near starving....

The UN says there’s ‘full-blown famine’ in northern Gaza.

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If palestinians are hungry it is because Hamas allows it...

Israeli activists block Gaza-bound aid trucks

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I think one has to remember a few key points here, One that Palestinians voted Hamas in during free elections...once in, they killed their political opponents, and have not had an election since...Got to be a red flag....Second the palestinian people seem alright with that as their has been no one group to stand up to them. even with Israel having Hamas on the ropes they the palestinian people still do not stand up and fight for their freedom...I know you don't have the answer..

Hard to stand up and fight when you don't have arms or food.

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It seems almost everything that has been tried is not working, most try's have been total failures....and since they hate us anyways, why not some tough love...show them that the rest of the world is sick of their shit, and cut off the taps...or perhaps your one of those that prefers continuing on beating our heads against the wall hoping to get different results...

If you think the world has been easy on the Palestinians you are simply not operating in reality.

 

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

If you think the world has been easy on the Palestinians you are simply not operating in reality.

If so many people in the muslim world care so much for Palestinians, why have they lived in refugee camps for 75 years? 

There were more Syrian and Iraqi refugees created by islamic state, and they were all resettled already. No 75 yr wait period necessary.

[carepov]

On 5/7/2024 at 12:20 PM, impartialobserver said:

The entire saga of the middle east centers on the establishment of a Muslim caliphate. As for Isreal.. the conflict all starts with the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948. The grudges in the middle east run long and deep. When the state of Israel was formed in 1948... the majority of the population in that geography were what? Arabs/Berbers... who were mostly Muslim and had been since roughly 1200. This is why the conflict keeps going and will always continue. This is much the same as the Europeans coming to what is now called the US and forcing the natives off the land. Only difference is that the Palestinians (arabs/berbers) are better equipped. 

The only difference?  Really?  

23 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

The Palestinians and/or Arab-Berber population believe that they are in effect being colonized. It is not the body count of one war, one attack, one massacre. They focus on 1948 because that is the year that the Western nations imposed the State of Israel on them and essentially took their land and made them second-class citizens ( in their eyes). That is the long story made short. Now, should they get over it? Yes. Is Hamas and the state of palestine one in the same? No but there is enough overlap to correlate the two. What makes this messier than what you see on the surface is that the Muslim world (multiple nations and about 1 billion people) feels a sort of brotherhood with them. The population and leadership do not fully embrace the terrorist activities of Hamas but they tolerate it because they feel it may achieve a mutual goal.. a return to where they have all of the land. That is not going to happen. Without completely wiping out the population of one side or the other.. the only solution is where the palestinians put aside their grievances and move on. Just not sure what will make that happen. 

I would argue that this is what happened already in Israel with 2,000,000 Arab-Israelis living peacefully.

I've been asking myself:  Why is it that, in the only Jewish country in the world, 2,000,000 Arabs (or Palestinians) live peacefully and prosperously (better than most Arabs in other countries), while there are almost no Jewish people able to live in Arab or Muslim countries? 

Edited May 10, 2024 by carepov

[eyeball]

31 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

This is the reward you get when you start a war. When you choose violence and launch a war of aggression without declaration targeted at civilians and slaughter and mutilate people this is your reward.

Yes it's plain to see why Israel shouldn't have been created. 

33 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If you choose peace, decide to live together and tolerate each other, and throw out corrupt governments that insist on war, then the reward is an expanded economy, Prosperity, and peace.

Yup, it's to bad right-wingers choose to scrap the Oslo Accord.

35 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Either way they earn what they get. They will literally get what they worked for, one way or another. I know as a leftist you don't understand that, but in life you get what you worked for and what they worked for is war

Yes well you guys have been whining about lefties forever without doing anything about it so you clearly don't have a clue what you want.

[impartialobserver]

14 hours ago, blackbird said:

The problem is as an atheist, you would not believe the fact that the Bible tells us that God chose Israel as a special people for his purposes several thousand years ago and he gave them the land of Israel for perpetuity.  This is of vital importance in the whole subject.  The Jews are one of the only ethnic groups that survived in spite of everything that happened to them in the world in the past several thousand years.  That alone is a kind miracle.

They have also been the target of hatred by much of the world during the past 2,000 years and a third of them were killed off by the Nazis in the Holocaust.  In spite of all that has happened, they miraculously re-established the state of Israel in 1948.  But they know they must continue to fight for their survival.

100% unrelated to my posts. If you are going to go off into the weeds then lets start talking about the price of asphalt in Kazakhstan. 

[impartialobserver]

16 hours ago, Army Guy said:

What do we care what other nations do, if they step up then fine...Not everyone abides by others foreign policy anyways, look at sanctions of Russia, China, India, North korea are buying russian oil like no tommorrow...and they are under threat of UN sanctions of their own if they get caught..

The gap can not get any wider than it is today....They can claim whatever they want...

here are some sources that disagree...it depends on what they take into account such as written text, verbal content, etc...

https://www.oldest.org/religion/religions/

https://www.britannica.com/story/which-religion-is-the-oldest

 

Judaism dates to about 1800 BC and muslim starts in roughly 870 AD. However, the conflict is this. The arab/berber population dates back to about 3150 BC. In the time between 3150 and now.. the majority of the population has been arab//berber/canaanite with their religion being Islam after about roughly 1000 AD. The Jews were not the majority for the overwhelming majority of the time especially from roughly 1000 to 1920. So the Palestinians (or Arabs) are feeling that they are being colonized by Europeans. Israel came into existence because Europe forced it upon them. I am a pragmatist at heart and would say that you just get over it and move on. Israel is not going to stop existing nor are the Jews going to leave. Make the best of what you have now but that's not how they view it. 

as for other nations... other muslim nations have shown over and over again that while their nations may differ in name and geography, they feel a greater kinship based on them being Islam. It is much like the southern states abide by this. 

Edited May 10, 2024 by impartialobserver

[eyeball]

36 minutes ago, User said:

And yet, you are repeatedly focused on Israel in this thread. It is only when I push you to criticize Hamas

You're new around here, I've said my piece about Hamas plenty of times, they're criminals. Israel won't make peace so there's no process by which to extradite criminals hence the reason so many innocent civilians wind up being killed instead.

Fu ck the IDF too.

43 minutes ago, User said:

Then we support the quick and decisive destruction of the terrorist thugs doing it... Hamas. 

And creating the next one in the process. They don't call it mowing the lawn for nothing.

 

[blackbird]

10 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

100% unrelated to my posts. If you are going to go off into the weeds then lets start talking about the price of asphalt in Kazakhstan. 

You still don't get it.  If you believed the Bible concerning Israel, your posts would not be tainted.  So yes, the Biblical record of how Israel came to be and why it exists is directly related.  You just don't want to admit it.

[impartialobserver]

Just now, blackbird said:

You still don't get it.  If you believed the Bible concerning Israel, your posts would not be tainted.  So yes, the Biblical record of how Israel came to be and why it exists is directly related.  You just don't want to admit it.

I rely on proven historical record not the Bible. However, you are off topic again. How is the weather in Iqaluit? 

[blackbird]

3 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

The Jews were not the majority for the overwhelming majority of the time especially from roughly 1000 to 1920.

The Jews were also dispersed to the rest of the world by the Roman Empire which destroyed Jerusalem in 70 A.D.  However, again this does not change the fact that God gave them the land in perpetuity.

2 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

I rely on proven historical record not the Bible. However, you are off topic again. How is the weather in Iqaluit? 

How do you know since you have not studied the Bible?  You are just making wild assumptions.

[impartialobserver]

Just now, blackbird said:

The Jews were also dispersed to the rest of the world by the Roman Empire which destroyed Jerusalem in 70 A.D.  However, again this does not change the fact that God gave them the land in perpetuity.

How do you know since you have not studied the Bible?  You are just making wild assumptions.

Off topic again.. I am not playing your game. Show some character and stop going to the theological weeds when it is irrelevant to my posts. 

[User]

49 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Israeli activists block Gaza-bound aid trucks

There are multiple entry points of aid into Gaza every day, all day, day after day. 

You cite a protest that Israeli forces break up as they have in the past as evidence of what?

51 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

The UN says there’s ‘full-blown famine’ in northern Gaza.

Well, of course they do, when they can't prove out the allegation yet. Where are all these starving people? Oh, can't find them. Meanwhile, more and more aid is pouring into Gaza day after day... 

[eyeball]

54 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

When Pakistan was created there were 800-1M Sikhs and Hindus slaughtered as well as 500K-700K muslims killed. About 15M people were displaced. 

It will take a lot of Oct 7ths and a lot of reprisals to get to 1.5M deaths. The total number of people killed in all of Israel's conflicts is around 150K. 

The only difference is that the muslims can't let go of the 500 deaths in 1948. The "nabka".

Oh well, there's centuries of conflict to look forward to so be patient.

[impartialobserver]

Just now, User said:

Meanwhile, more and more aid is pouring into Gaza day after day... 

Lets see you prove this.. give us exact amounts, end destination, who sent it, who received it, estimated dollar amount of this aid. Subjective articles are useless. If what the UN reports is so biased and useless.. then lets see you step up with some objective, RAW data. 

[User]

Just now, impartialobserver said:

Lets see you prove this.. give us exact amounts, end destination, who sent it, who received it, estimated dollar amount of this aid. Subjective articles are useless. If what the UN reports is so biased and useless.. then lets see you step up with some objective, RAW data. 

LOL, as usual, I always bring the receipts while you folks play this disingenuous game. Are you really this unaware of the amount of aid efforts going on right now?

 

 

[CdnFox]

21 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yes it's plain to see why Israel shouldn't have been created. 

Sure it is - if you're an uneducated !diot  

But - doesn't really matter. It was created. That' almost a century ago, too late to stop it now. 

So. In october Gaza decided to start a war.  this is the reward they get for all that work 

 

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Yup, it's to bad right-wingers choose to scrap the Oslo Accord.

Yep.  Well - at least it would be if that wasn't a lie.

But again regardless if you choose to start a war, there's a reward for it. This is their reward .

If you choose peace, then there's rewards for that too.

Gaza chose war and they chose what's happening to them now.   I think they should have chosen peace.  But - that was their choice. 

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Yes well you guys have been whining about lefties forever without doing anything about it so you clearly don't have a clue what you want.

what are you talking about? We've hired PP, we're going to kick you out of power entirely for probably a generation and we'll undo all your garbage. 

And in the states it looks like they're going with trump again, the anti-biden. 

In europe the reaction is even stronger with seriously right wingers gaining traction. 

Didja think guns were the only way we'd come for you, snowflake    Sit tight, we're getting around to you   

[impartialobserver]

1 minute ago, User said:

LOL, as usual, I always bring the receipts while you folks play this disingenuous game. Are you really this unaware of the amount of aid efforts going on right now?

 

 

Where did this data come from? You think that I am pro-hamas or pro-isreal... this is what you get for assuming. I am simply thinking that you get the same subjective media and because it agrees with you, you hold on to it unquestioningly. Is this data formed counts or is it an estimate? There is a difference.... I do it every day. 

[User]

15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You're new around here, I've said my piece about Hamas plenty of times, they're criminals. Israel won't make peace so there's no process by which to extradite criminals hence the reason so many innocent civilians wind up being killed instead.

Fu ck the IDF too.

So, I ask you to criticize Hamas, and you turn it into attacking Israel even more again. 

This is so comically sad. 

Do you even realize how incapable you are of just criticizing Hamas? If the real root cause is Iran, China, and Russia, why do you keep criticizing Israel?

And... its a pretty lame excuse to let terrorists live and continue to kill you, because if you stop them more terrorists will be created. That makes no sense. At all. 

[User]

1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

Where did this data come from? You think that I am pro-hamas or pro-isreal... this is what you get for assuming. I am simply thinking that you get the same subjective media and because it agrees with you, you hold on to it unquestioningly. Is this data formed counts or is it an estimate? There is a difference.... I do it every day. 

I can't help you. I am not in the business of spoon-feeding someone who should be a grown adult fully capable of having a shred of intellectual integrity to look at what I shared here and grasp on their own where this data comes from and that they have been posting evidence about it basically daily since the outset of the war. Instead, you tried to act like what I said about aid was false and then feigned doubt over my source.

I can only speak to what your comments here allude to... which is that through your comments and actions in liking posts, you certainly seem to favor Hamas here over Israel. You like comments calling this genocide, you say Israel is going too far, which is a defacto support for Hamas living on... 

You tell me. You want Hamas to survive and Israel to stop the war? Or... should Hamas surrender? 

[impartialobserver]

1 minute ago, User said:

I can't help you. I am not in the business of spoon-feeding someone who should be a grown adult fully capable of having a shred of intellectual integrity to look at what I shared here and grasp on their own where this data comes from and that they have been posting evidence about it basically daily since the outset of the war. Instead, you tried to act like what I said about aid was false and then feigned doubt over my source.

I can only speak to what your comments here allude to... which is that through your comments and actions in liking posts, you certainly seem to favor Hamas here over Israel. You like comments calling this genocide, you say Israel is going too far, which is a defacto support for Hamas living on... 

You tell me. You want Hamas to survive and Israel to stop the war? Or... should Hamas surrender? 

off topic. I asked you to prove what you say.. and as the typical gutless internet forum poster... you go off into the weeds. If your "evidence" is so untouchable, you would be able to answer my simple questions with no delay. This stall tactic ^^^ shows that you do not know the answer and can't own up to it. 

[User]

9 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

off topic. I asked you to prove what you say.. and as the typical gutless internet forum poster... you go off into the weeds. If your "evidence" is so untouchable, you would be able to answer my simple questions with no delay. This stall tactic ^^^ shows that you do not know the answer and can't own up to it. 

I did prove what I said, then you pretended like you could not understand the source. 

No stall tactic at all, just not interested in dumb games like yours. 

Here are some more pretty pictures for you to pretend like you can't figure out:

 

[User]

41 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Oh well, there's centuries of conflict to look forward to so be patient.

None of us will be around to look forward to any of that. 

What we can look forward to now is the destruction of Hamas and Israel occupation that will lead to the start to an eventual reversal of a generation of brainwashing Hamas put on their people and children. 

You support this of course? Right? 

Or do you want Hamas to live on so they can keep attacking Israel and brainwashing their kids to hate Jews?