B.C. NDP: BC hospitals must now provide safe spaces for addicts to take illicit drugs

[blackbird]

B.C. to require hospitals have designated spaces for patient illicit drug use, health minister says - The Globe and Mail

[CdnFox]

But you still can't smoke, because that would be bad.

[herbie]

That's right, if you fire up a crack pipe you should be subject to the same laws as smoking cigs or joints in a hospital.
If they're injecting, no safer space to do that than in a hospital. They can also see if a patient goes in there.

Gives nurses & doctors the ability to call security if they use elsewhere that can't be ruled unconstitutional.

[Aristides]

Who will stop addicts from using where they like and enforce the use of those spaces?

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

If they're injecting, no safer space to do that than in a hospital.

"Using drugs can increase paranoid and irrational thoughts, mood swings, and irritability, amongst many other side effects."

These are not the kind of people nurses, doctors, and patients should have to put up with in hospitals.  As Aristides said, who is going to enforce where they take drugs.  What is going to stop them from taking drugs in hallways, waiting rooms, washrooms, or wherever?  Do you really think drug addicts will follow rules?

Do drug addicts ever rob to get the money for their next fix?

There is some danger in having irrational or irritable people in the hospital with other patients.  There is no way these kind of people should be permitted to be taking illicit drugs in a hospital.  I see this as putting other people at risk.  What is become of society?

 

Edited April 15 by blackbird

[blackbird]

Drug addicts and crime are often closely connected.

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Drug Addiction and Crime

It’s no coincidence that drug-related crime has become a growing concern of government agencies at the local, state, and federal levels. According to a survey of the nation’s prison population by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, 33% of inmates in state prisons and 22% of inmates in federal prisons were using drugs at the time they committed crimes. Even more disturbing is the number of prisoners who had ever used drugs: 83% of inmates in state prisons and 73% of those in federal prisons. In other words, the overwhelming majority of persons incarcerated in the United States at the time the survey was taken had misused drugs in the past.5  "

Dangers of Drug Addiction and Misuse | Rehabs.com

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

That's right, if you fire up a crack pipe you should be subject to the same laws as smoking cigs or joints in a hospital.
If they're injecting, no safer space to do that than in a hospital. They can also see if a patient goes in there.

Gives nurses & doctors the ability to call security if they use elsewhere that can't be ruled unconstitutional.

They're forbidden to call security.  They've been denouncing this furiously for  a week now.  Nurses are not allowed to call security if they have drugs or are armed.

[DUI_Offender]

I have a better solution:

 

A) A person who uses in the hospital should be tazed by security. Then driven out of the hospital.

B ) Do not admit these people. If they want help or are in need of medical treatment, fine. However, using at hospitals should be grounds to terminate their health card.

 

Tough love.

[herbie]

17 hours ago, CdnFox said:

They're forbidden to call security.  They've been denouncing this furiously for  a week now.  Nurses are not allowed to call security if they have drugs or are armed.

They are not forbidden to call security. If you see armed threats anywhere you're supposed to, nurses are no different.

Maybe you all should stop listening to what they are saying and listen to their union, a real cop or the actual details of a story. Not the words of one lazy ass rent-a-cop or one care aide who can't distinguish between protecting her own safety on the job and what is something entirely different. As well as your constant rejection of any attempt to make things safer for others by imagining scenarios where they only can harm others.

Stand directly in front of the hospital doors and light up a cigar and imagine that by law security wouldn't show up if it was only a crack pipe. Imagine how if there's a safety issue at your own worksite how you're supposed to call a reporter instead of your shop steward or Labour board. That's what you're doing.
 

[CdnFox]

59 minutes ago, herbie said:

They are not forbidden to call security. If you see armed threats anywhere you're supposed to, nurses are no different.

Maybe you all should stop listening to what they are saying and listen to their union,

Sigh.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/weve-absolutely-lost-control-to-drug-users-desperate-b-c-hospital-nurses-say

The scandal erupted last week when a leaked internal memo from B.C.’s Northern Health Authority, which covers the northern half of the province, revealed that staff at hospitals within the region had been instructed to tolerate drugs and weapons at their workplaces.

Faced with a public uproar, B.C. Health Minister Adrian Dix said the memo was outdated and poorly worded, and he claimed that drug use and weapons have not been permitted in the province’s hospitals.

However, his statement was immediately contradicted by the B.C. Nurses Union, whose president, Adriane Gear, told several media outlets that open drug use and weapons have become “a widespread issue of significant magnitude,” and that these problems spiked after drugs were decriminalized in the province last year. “Before there would be behaviours that just wouldn’t be tolerated, whereas now because of decriminalization, it is being tolerated,” she said.

 

They're allowed to keep drugs - they're allowed to keep large knives and even an axe,  etc.

That's according to the nurse's union.

Maybe you should read before making yourself look like a tard.

[herbie]

I suppose it's all a result of the slippery slope of legalizing the demon weed....

They're talking about govt run care homes which are legal residences just like you own or rent, not hospitals. Just go ahead and try to walk into Vancouver General packing a 'large' knife or an axe, you'll find out quick enough.
Staff were going into patient rooms where they'd been smoking up and were exposed to it, a workplace safety issue. Smoking in the rooms is enforceable by building management, not staff, they're free to report it but not their job to enforce it. The staff are not required to go into such a room and perform their damn job if they themselves claim any safety issue.
In a hospital per se, they can see and note who's going in and out pf a dedicated room and note it on a patient's chart. They don't have to enter the room. A safety issue again.

It's incomprehensible how people can not see drug and mental issues as health issues, only in criminal terms needing enforcement in Gestapo like responses. Stuck in 100 year old reactions that didn't ever work, and discard anything else.

[Aristides]

16 minutes ago, herbie said:

I suppose it's all a result of the slippery slope of legalizing the demon weed....

They're talking about govt run care homes which are legal residences just like you own or rent, not hospitals. Just go ahead and try to walk into Vancouver General packing a 'large' knife or an axe, you'll find out quick enough.
Staff were going into patient rooms where they'd been smoking up and were exposed to it, a workplace safety issue. Smoking in the rooms is enforceable by building management, not staff, they're free to report it but not their job to enforce it. The staff are not required to go into such a room and perform their damn job if they themselves claim any safety issue.
In a hospital per se, they can see and note who's going in and out pf a dedicated room and note it on a patient's chart. They don't have to enter the room. A safety issue again.

It's incomprehensible how people can not see drug and mental issues as health issues, only in criminal terms needing enforcement in Gestapo like responses. Stuck in 100 year old reactions that didn't ever work, and discard anything else.

So what happens if you are stuck in a room with one of these people and staff refuse to enter? Or should addicts get private rooms?

[Perspektiv]

7 hours ago, Aristides said:

Or should addicts get private rooms?

With cable TV and catering. Its only right, that tax payer dollars get spent wisely. Talking that rehab talk, is racist.

[CdnFox]

14 hours ago, herbie said:

I suppose it's all a result of the slippery slope of legalizing the demon weed....

They're talking about govt run care homes which are legal residences just like you own or rent, not hospitals. Just go ahead and try to walk into Vancouver General packing a 'large' knife or an axe, you'll find out quick enough.
Staff were going into patient rooms where they'd been smoking up and were exposed to it, a workplace safety issue. Smoking in the rooms is enforceable by building management, not staff, they're free to report it but not their job to enforce it. The staff are not required to go into such a room and perform their damn job if they themselves claim any safety issue.
In a hospital per se, they can see and note who's going in and out pf a dedicated room and note it on a patient's chart. They don't have to enter the room. A safety issue again.

It's incomprehensible how people can not see drug and mental issues as health issues, only in criminal terms needing enforcement in Gestapo like responses. Stuck in 100 year old reactions that didn't ever work, and discard anything else.

They're talking about hospitals stupid.  First you claim the nurses don't feel this way, then i post quotes from nurses. Now you claim it's not really 'Hospitals" -  and it's hospitals.'

If you have to lie to yourself constantly to defend your point of view - it's time for a new point of view.

[herbie]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

If you have to lie to yourself constantly to defend your point of view

Look who's f*cking talking.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Look who's f*cking talking.

You are. And you lie constantly - you just did it above.

I've posted the facts which show it.

So maybe its time for you to rethink your point.  If you have to lie to defend your point it's probably not a very good point.

[blackbird]

20 hours ago, herbie said:

It's incomprehensible how people can not see drug and mental issues as health issues, only in criminal terms needing enforcement in Gestapo like responses. Stuck in 100 year old reactions that didn't ever work, and discard anything else.

Lock them up until they are ready to be rehabilitated.  Then keep them in a secure rehab centre until they are clean.   Why inflict drug addicts on society?  NDP are brainless.  NDP have no conscience and don't even try to protect society from criminals and drug addicts.  Addicts are unpredictable and some are dangerous.  The primary job of government is to protect law-abiding citizens, not criminals.

Edited April 16 by blackbird

[CdnFox]

Oh and by the way -

20 hours ago, herbie said:

It's incomprehensible how people can not see drug and mental issues as health issues,

We see your inability to admit that 'safe supply' has caused more harm than good by far as being a mental health issue if that helps at all?

Seriously - you had the chance, you've tried it your way and the results have been an unmitigated disaster.  Soooo - we would listen to you now... why?

[Legato]

7 minutes ago, blackbird said:

 The primary job of government is to protect law-abiding citizens, not criminals.

That's would be anathema to a NDP government.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Legato said:

That's would be anathema to a NDP government.

Criminals are victims too.

[Legato]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Criminals are victims too.

Understanding the mind of a lefty is one of my life's failures. Nonetheless a happy failure. Would never want to sink to their level.

[CdnFox]

Just now, Legato said:

Understanding the mind of a lefty is one of my life's failures. Nonetheless a happy failure. Would never want to sink to their level.

Yeah - i'm ok with not understanding rapists or nazi's either.

However the leftie logic for criminals is pretty straight forward if somewhat hard to swallow,  The idea is that the criminal is not responsible for being the way he/she is.  The criminal has no agency or self determination and is strictly a product of what society in general has made them.  IF they are committing bad acts it's not the criminal that's at fault - it's society's fault (or the conservatives) for not having done SOMETHING differently to prevent them from being this way,

Maybe we needed to give them more free things? Or free drugs? Or a gender change? SOMETHING - but clearly WE failed not them.

So how can you punish them for OUR faults. You can't.

That's how they think.

[herbie]

21 hours ago, blackbird said:

Lock them up until they are ready to be rehabilitated

See?
The mind of someone who knows diddly squat about the subject, only believes it's BAD and needs to be punished.

And another absolute dimwit trying to make others believe the govt is talking about private room hospital beds with free TV for patients and their visitors to do drugs and keep guns under their pillows, in which nurses are forced to work in against safety concerns.
And the gaslighting sack of shit's usual response that everyone else is lying.

[CdnFox]

52 minutes ago, herbie said:

See?
The mind of someone who knows diddly squat about the subject, only believes it's BAD and needs to be punished.

And another absolute dimwit trying to make others believe the govt is talking about private room hospital beds with free TV for patients and their visitors to do drugs and keep guns under their pillows, in which nurses are forced to work in against safety concerns.
And the gaslighting sack of shit's usual response that everyone else is lying.

Oh look - another leftie who can't admit when his social experiments have failed.

Senior police officers say B.C. is not better off after drug decriminalization

https://globalnews.ca/news/10427660/bc-senior-police-officers-drug-decriminalization-comments/

 

we tried it your way - lets try locking them up and see how that goes.  Can't be worse.