Forget Everything You Think You Know

[gatomontes99]

"Polls show former President Donald Trump is ascendant with the youngest bloc of the electorate, even leading President Joe Biden in some surveys, as less-engaged young voters spurn Biden. Meanwhile, Biden is stronger with seniors than he was four years ago, even as his personal image is significantly diminished since he was elected last time."

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/07/voter-age-biden-trump-2024-election-00150923

One thing Trump is (beyond being a bombastic jackass) is transformational.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, gatomontes99 said:

One thing Trump is (beyond being a bombastic jackass) is transformational.

I am mildly amused by the idea that he may win on "elect the former president as the voice of future change"  

It's not as strong in the states perhaps but there is a movement for young people who are disillusioned about what the future holds for them to move away from the woke.

Many think Joe is making a mistake leaning more to the left to snatch up those votes instead of taking a centrist position.

[Fluffypants]

What is really funny is that Hamas may help give the Republicans a victory in the fall because the Gen Z are all demanding that Biden stop Israel and even though they think Trump will let Israel carpet bomb the Palestinians and wipe them off the planet they won't vote for Biden on principle.

[CdnFox]

Just now, Fluffypants said:

What is really funny is that Hamas may help give the Republicans a victory in the fall because the Gen Z are all demanding that Biden stop Israel and even though they think Trump will let Israel carpet bomb the Palestinians and wipe them off the planet they won't vote for Biden on principle.

The power of the 'stay at home' vote cannot be underestimated. People don't need to switch to trump from biden - if biden's voters just stay home in large numbers it's just as bad.

And we've certainly seen some elections decided by who chose to stay home rather than who voted.

I don't know if it'll still be a factor in the fall. I would guess one way or another the war will conclude in the next 4 moths or so. I think we'll see the next major offensive on Rafah and that'll go on for a few months and that'll probably be the end one way or another. So we'll see if they're still honked off.

IF trump is smart he'll spend most of his time shutting up and letting biden's track record speak for itself.

[robosmith]

24 minutes ago, Fluffypants said:

What is really funny is that Hamas may help give the Republicans a victory in the fall because the Gen Z are all demanding that Biden stop Israel and even though they think Trump will let Israel carpet bomb the Palestinians and wipe them off the planet they won't vote for Biden on principle.

That's not "principle" it's just stupid obstinance.

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, Fluffypants said:

What is really funny is that Hamas may help give the Republicans a victory in the fall because the Gen Z are all demanding that Biden stop Israel and even though they think Trump will let Israel carpet bomb the Palestinians and wipe them off the planet they won't vote for Biden on principle.

That would be Biden's handlers own fault for funding Hamas.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

That's not "principle" it's just stupid obstinance.

So you're saying the left is stupid and obstinate?

My god - i think we actually agree on something   

[myata]

Right, between senile impotence or outright insanity, which wins? Wow, the race is so close!

[eyeball]

52 minutes ago, myata said:

Right, between senile impotence or outright insanity, which wins? Wow, the race is so close!

Aside from partisans with a grudge no one seems very happy with the choices on tap. I think that goes here in Canada too.

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

That would be Biden's handlers own fault for funding Hamas.

It was Netanyahu who was urging Qatar to continue funding Hamas with hundreds of $ MILLIONS just 3 weeks before the invasion, NOT "Biden's handlers."

1 hour ago, myata said:

Right, between senile impotence or outright insanity, which wins? Wow, the race is so close!

You forgot the disinformation spread by right wing propaganda sources which blows the imaginary threats out of the water.

[CdnFox]

34 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Aside from partisans with a grudge no one seems very happy with the choices on tap. I think that goes here in Canada too.

Well the polling, the forums, and the people you meet in the street certainly say otherwise.  They're pretty excited about Polievre. It's just the die hard lefties and liberals who are upset with their choices at the moment.

[Moonlight Graham]

33 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well the polling, the forums, and the people you meet in the street certainly say otherwise.  They're pretty excited about Polievre. It's just the die hard lefties and liberals who are upset with their choices at the moment.

This sounds like confirmation bias to me.  No I think they're more excited to get rid of Trudeau.  Canadians aren't so stupid as to think PP is some kind of saviour.  He answers to his own corporate masters and plays his own tricks and lies.

[Moonlight Graham]

If Jan 6 didn't happen I think Trump would win convincingly.

In Canada, I think Trudeau's Liberals have been so bad that they've red-pilled a lot of young people, and all of the woke nonsense in society hasn't helped.

The left-of-center's used to be cool and chill (Clinton, Obama, the 90's/2000's liberal types).  Now they're just sickening, delusional, and incompetent.

[myata]

2 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

In Canada, I think Trudeau's Liberals have been so bad that they've red-pilled a lot of young people, and all of the woke nonsense in society hasn't helped.

"From f-ck-up to f-ck-up" style of governance is the natural and probably unavoidable result of the evolution of any binary political system. The objective is to get to the power, not so much addressing problems and priorities of the society. Or is it, not at all?

[Nationalist]

Finally the angry Libbies have realized the failure of Brandon.

[gatomontes99]

6 hours ago, robosmith said:

It was Netanyahu who was urging Qatar to continue funding Hamas with hundreds of $ MILLIONS just 3 weeks before the invasion, NOT "Biden's handlers."

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-admin-dismissed-concerns-about-millions-in-palestinian-aid-potentially-being-used-for-terrorism-report/ar-AA1flPgQ

"The State Department went ahead with plans to provide millions in aid to Palestinians, despite knowing there was a “high risk” that funding would be used for the terrorist group Hamas, according to a Freedom of Information Act request obtained by the Washington Free Beacon"

Biden's handlers knew the  consequences and they did it any way. Could it be because his office was plagued with terrorist sympathizers?

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2023/09/26/did-the-biden-administration-hire-iranian-agents-n2628970

 

 

Edited April 11 by gatomontes99

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-admin-dismissed-concerns-about-millions-in-palestinian-aid-potentially-being-used-for-terrorism-report/ar-AA1flPgQ

"The State Department went ahead with plans to provide millions in aid to Palestinians, despite knowing there was a “high risk” that funding would be used for the terrorist group Hamas, according to a Freedom of Information Act request obtained by the Washington Free Beacon"

Biden's handlers knew the  consequences and they did it any way. Could it be because his office was plagued with terrorist sympathizers?

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2023/09/26/did-the-biden-administration-hire-iranian-agents-n2628970

 

 

Oh goodie. Brandon has been hiring Iranians. The complete failure...

Gets even worse.

[impartialobserver]

I would not count the chickens yet. Still 5.5 months until we get more than speculation. 

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

This sounds like confirmation bias to me. 

Well you're not very bright then. You really should have done some research first

Read the approval rating stats.

https://abacusdata.ca/conservatives-lead-by-18-evaluations-drop-trudeau-government-abacus-data/

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/poilievre-s-conservatives-widen-lead-over-liberals-nanos-1.6777766

 

"The trend line for Pierre Poilievre is at a level that is higher than any Conservative leader, including Stephen Harper, in the past decade," Nanos said. "He's basically in the driver's seat in terms of the ballot numbers and also in the driver's seat when it comes to who Canadians today at least would prefer as prime minister."

- Nanos

 

All the polls and news reports show the same thing - polievre has climbed from about a 20 percent approval rating to about a 40 percent approval rating.  Trudeau is cruising in the low 20's. Jagmeet is in the low 30's.

And as far as voting intentions the cpc matches that at about 40 percent of the vote.  So the people who are going to vote for him like him.

people are not supporting him just to get rid of trudeau (tho there are many on top of this who might), they actually like him.

 

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, myata said:

"From f-ck-up to f-ck-up" style of governance is the natural and probably unavoidable result of the evolution of any binary political system. The objective is to get to the power, not so much addressing problems and priorities of the society. Or is it, not at all?

We don't have a binary system ffs.   Hell - as we speak today it is only a coalition of two parties that allows the gov't to stand while a third party challenges it and a 4th party also has a strong voice. You have to be 7 different kinds of stupid to say we have a 'binary' system.

Take off your mittens and you'll be able count past two.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

I would not count the chickens yet. Still 5.5 months until we get more than speculation. 

Campaigns matter, and they'll matter more in this election than most. I don't know that i would say either is the 'underdog', both could win with the right campaign. Trump has a slight edge but it's thin at best. Biden's got money but his track record is not great and right now he's leaning into the left and that is not a winning strategy if he keeps it up when the campaign starts.

Probably somewhere around september we'll start getting a real look at who's likely to come out on top.

[impartialobserver]

8 hours ago, myata said:

"From f-ck-up to f-ck-up" style of governance is the natural and probably unavoidable result of the evolution of any binary political system. The objective is to get to the power, not so much addressing problems and priorities of the society. Or is it, not at all?

Maybe not in Canada but in the US.. it is pretty much binary (two options). yes, third parties win on relatively rare occasion but they are mostly niche and of little influence. 

Just now, CdnFox said:

Probably somewhere around september we'll start getting a real look at who's likely to come out on top

precisely my point. 

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Finally the angry Libbies have realized the failure of Brandon.

^Supreme IRONY from the top DEFENDER of the 88 count indictments against Trump. Talk about FAILURE.... 🤮

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-admin-dismissed-concerns-about-millions-in-palestinian-aid-potentially-being-used-for-terrorism-report/ar-AA1flPgQ

"The State Department went ahead with plans to provide millions in aid to Palestinians, despite knowing there was a “high risk” that funding would be used for the terrorist group Hamas, according to a Freedom of Information Act request obtained by the Washington Free Beacon"

Biden's handlers knew the  consequences and they did it any way. Could it be because his office was plagued with terrorist sympathizers?

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2023/09/26/did-the-biden-administration-hire-iranian-agents-n2628970

^TWO blatant right wing propaganda sites: Daily Caller and Townhall. Could find any sources with CREDIBILITY?

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Oh goodie. Brandon has been hiring Iranians. The complete failure...

Gets even worse.

Your naivete is already off the charts.

[CdnFox]

54 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

 

precisely my point. 

I know.  I was agreeing with you