So-called science has repeatedly erred in making false claims.

[French Patriot]

On 4/21/2024 at 12:00 AM, herbie said:

More great reasoning by our resident Bible thumper.

They live, they walk among us, they're protesting in the streets and he's whining like shit that they are, but 'science' can't change someone's gender.

I think your last is wrong except for the womb and other reproductive items. 

I admit to not have checked for a while and DNA scissoring might make things a whole new ball game.

Asking potential and future religious parents --- to be ready to hate their children should they be LGBTQ+,. --- is what will bring sanity or death to the worst religions.

Praise God.

Oh wait, this is all the work of people who are more moral that the genocidal one who is creating all these LGBTQ+.

The religious might wonder why and learn an uncomfortable truth.

All people are man made and women delivered.

[French Patriot]

On 4/21/2024 at 12:16 PM, blackbird said:

 You are what you are biologically born as.  You can't change that.  Forget that idea.

"16  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."  John 3:16

 "27  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28  And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. "  Genesis 1:27, 28

If it wasn't for the fact that God created male and female and told them to multiply, we wouldn't even be here to comment.

 

Not quite Biblical. Not that liars care.

Is Satan our divine Mother?

Is she responsible for initiating knowledge of reproduction in us?

This poorly titled clip gives some of the learned logic of Eden as a coming-of-age yarn. 

The only fault I see is his thinking Satan to be male when she is obviously female for both reality and elsewhere. Check the Exsultet hymn to confirm this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpvmbBYtOAk

Satan, like Jesus, has been named as a bringer of light in the bible.

Should we continue with biblical logic and name Satan divine?

Remembering the duality always shown in scriptures, ----- Is Satan the Yin to Jesus as Yang?

I know God knows to venerate life, and knows that Satan is the key that opens that door.

I will answer for her in a way that will have you name her divine and do as scriptures bid you do.

Recognize the Jewish concept of Original Virtue as coming out of Eden.

Recognize the twist in language and interpretations, as Christians sing that sin is a happy fault and necessary to God and nature.

Opposite word, original sin, and original virtue, saying the same thing.

All initiated by the bringer of light, Satan.

[herbie]

Well at least you're not suggesting we should return to the Garden of Eden and wander about in total ignorance, mooing like cows.

[French Patriot]

8 minutes ago, herbie said:

Well at least you're not suggesting we should return to the Garden of Eden-------------------------- and wander about in total ignorance, mooing like cows.

Yes to your first and no to your last.

From my P.O.V., scientifically speaking, we never left Eden. See if you can kind of agree to the non-supernatural aspects of reality. I know this is TLDR but if youm have time to waste thinking ---

Let me speak to the lie of Gnostic Christians hating matter.

I wrote this to refute the false notion that Gnostic Christians do not like matter and reality that the inquisitors propagated to justify their many murders of my religion’s originators.

The Gnostic Christian reality.

Gnostic Christian Jesus said,  "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.

[And after they have reigned they will rest.]"

"If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.

 If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.

Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.

 [Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.

 But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

 As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do.

 Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world?

 Candide.

"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

 That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle.

 

[herbie]

23 hours ago, French Patriot said:

scientifically speaking, we never left Eden

The functional point!
Not the one fundamentals can see. Bliss is preached over knowledge and free will.

[French Patriot]

5 hours ago, herbie said:

The functional point!
Not the one fundamentals can see. Bliss is preached over knowledge and free will.

We may have lost each other as I am perplexed by your reply. 

Did you recognize that, given our history, the Earth and all on it cannot be better than what is now?

Even loony fundamentals in both right and left camps?

 

[herbie]

You are looking at 'what is the Garden of Eden". I'm looking at "what is the meaning of the parable". I'm dissing those who believe the only path is through blind and acceptive obedience.

[French Patriot]

13 minutes ago, herbie said:

You are looking at 'what is the Garden of Eden". I'm looking at "what is the meaning of the parable". I'm dissing those who believe the only path is through blind and acceptive obedience.

That other is an uncomfortable truth to some but ok.

To your point.

That would be the uneducated Christian.

An educated Christian would remind you that they do not believe that way as the sing of Adam's sin as a happy fault and necessary to God's plan. 

Sin is good when you think of it as missing the mark.

That fits the Jewish view of Eden who see us showing Original Virtue.

I have links but they kind of slide into what I put on the Gnostic view of reality above.

As to Yahweh, all moral people will condemn him to hell, if it existed.

[SkyHigh]

On 4/20/2024 at 12:13 PM, blackbird said:

Are you aware many countries have bought into gender transitioning as if it is an unquestionable scientific fact.  Much of the population believes a child changing one's gender is a "scientific fact".  They have been told this by many authorities and political leaders.  This is much like the theory of evolution which has been sold in schools around the world as if it is a scientific fact.  How easily people and the world in general buy into these ideologies which are unproven.

Gender transitioning medical intervention for children is being abandoned by the UK and a number of other countries based on the Cass Review.  But Canada appears to be doubling down and rejecting the Cass Review.  Sad.  But just shows how people are so gullible.  This puts many youth at great risk of permanent harm. They have done the same thing with the theory of evolution even though the scientific support for it is not there and other scientists have raised many legitimate facts that refute evolution.

Barbara Kay: CBC doubles down on unscientific youth transgender care in wake of Cass Review (msn.com)

"Just to show how gullible the world can be about many things:

"The article also cites the World Professional Association of Transgender Health (WPATH) as a reliable source of bona fide science, failing to note the recent scandal that exposed its shameful privileging of ideology over ethical responsibility. WPATH guidelines are, according to Montreal endocrinologist Dr. Roy Eappen, opinion rather than science-based, and therefore “the lowest grade of evidence.” He also disparaged the article for the reporter’s failure to consult a proper expert on evidence-based medicine ."  

"Memo to the CBC and the government: The medicalized transition bubble has burst. The affirmation-model Titanic has hit the iceberg. You have a choice — jump into a lifeboat named “We were wrong,” or strike up the band with “Nearer my ideology to thee,” and go down with the ship. Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock."

The theory of evolution is more opinion than science.  In fact it is a religion for many people who believe it explains where we came from. 

 Home - creation.com

Puting the science aside, being that you've proven time and time again that you are wilfully ignorant, not only to specific scientific theories but to the very basic principles of the scientific method and arguing with someone who disregards observable facts of reality is pointless.

As for the"trans" question, honestly I give it very little thought, how people choose to self identify is none of my concern.

My question is why do you care? Have you ever even met a trans person? 

My guess is you have some deep seeded sexual tendencies you're trying to deny and given your diminished mental acuity and religious "beliefs" , hatred is your only coping mechanism.

I await the convoluted justification for your bigotry.

[blackbird]

22 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

Puting the science aside, being that you've proven time and time again that you are wilfully ignorant, not only to specific scientific theories but to the very basic principles of the scientific method and arguing with someone who disregards observable facts of reality is pointless.

As for the"trans" question, honestly I give it very little thought, how people choose to self identify is none of my concern.

My question is why do you care? Have you ever even met a trans person? 

My guess is you have some deep seeded sexual tendencies you're trying to deny and given your diminished mental acuity and religious "beliefs" , hatred is your only coping mechanism.

I await the convoluted justification for your bigotry.

No, I never expressed hatred for anyone re the trans subject.  I simply pointed out, if you read and understood what I said, that changing sex is not natural and is unproven.  That is simply my opinion.  We all have a right to express our opinions on such subjects without being accused of hate or bigotry by people such as you.  The LGBTQ being taught to young children in schools as normal is having disastrous consequences for many young people and families.  That is why I care about it even if you don't.

I don't have an agenda to hate anyone.  My comments are simply to disagree with the ideology claiming it is a normal thing.  Unfortunately you seem to have accepted it as a legitimate.  There is no scientific method that proves trans is normal. 

I accept the scientific method but it has been rejected by many scientists and people today.  Darwinism is a kind of religious ideology with many people and not supported by the scientific method.  It promotes the evil of atheism which is against reason and logic.

[SkyHigh]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

No, I never expressed hatred for anyone re the trans subject.  I simply pointed out, if you read and understood what I said, that changing sex is not natural and is unproven.  That is simply my opinion.  We all have a right to express our opinions on such subjects without being accused of hate or bigotry by people such as you.  The LGBTQ being taught to young children in schools as normal is having disastrous consequences for many young people and families.  That is why I care about it even if you don't.

I don't have an agenda to hate anyone.  My comments are simply to disagree with the ideology claiming it is a normal thing.  Unfortunately you seem to have accepted it as a legitimate.  There is no scientific method that proves trans is normal. 

I accept the scientific method but it has been rejected by many scientists and people today.  Darwinism is a kind of religious ideology with many people and not supported by the scientific method.  It promotes the evil of atheism which is against reason and logic.

All you do is preach hate

Still wondering why you care about a community that represents less than 1 percent of the population.

If you're into trans people, live your truth, it's okay to be you.

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, SkyHigh said:

All you do is preach hate

Still wondering why you care about a community that represents less than 1 percent of the population.

If you're into trans people, live your truth, it's okay to be you.

 I don't agree with brainwashing young people in schools with LGBT ideology but I guess you do.  That should be easy to understand.

[SkyHigh]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Darwinism is a kind of religious ideology.

"Darwinism is a term used only by creationists and negates over 150 years of scientific discovery, ie: DNA and using it again denotes your complete lack of knowledge on how science functions.

Would you call the theory of gravity Newtonism? Or heliocentrism Copernicusism? Or course not because you'd sound like an uneducated fool but that doesn't seem to bother you 

7 minutes ago, blackbird said:

 I don't agree with brainwashing young people in schools with LGBT ideology but I guess you do.  That should be easy to understand.

If that was actually happening I would have a problem with it but it's not and facts don't care about your "opinions"

[Michael Hardner]

8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

 I don't agree with brainwashing young people in schools with LGBT ideology but I guess you do.  That should be easy to understand.

Tolerance is actually Christian ideology.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, SkyHigh said:

If that was actually happening I would have a problem with it but it's not and facts don't care about your "opinions"

What is he Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity (SOGI) in the school system curriculum all about?  You know the answer but are being deceptive and not telling the truth.

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Tolerance is actually Christian ideology.

 I tried to explain my reply below in a more reasonable way.

Edited May 21 by blackbird

[SkyHigh]

12 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The Bible has no tolerance to teach evil.  Don't tell lies.

The classical god of the bible is evil and that's no lie

[SkyHigh]

39 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

Darwinism is a term used only by creationists and negates over 150 years of scientific discovery, ie: DNA and using it again denotes your complete lack of knowledge on how science functions.

Would you call the theory of gravity Newtonism? Or heliocentrism Copernicusism? Or course not because you'd sound like an uneducated fool but that doesn't seem to bother you 

 

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Darwinism is a kind of religious ideology

Funny how you just ignored this. Your biblical nonsense is hard to square when confronted with reality eh?

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Tolerance is actually Christian ideology.

In a general sense but that does not include approving of evil practices.  Some churches welcome people and at the same time approve of their unbiblical lifestyles but this is contrary to the Bible.   That would not fit the Biblical definition of tolerance.  These churches have departed from the Bible and historic Biblical Christian faith. 

Other churches try to welcome everyone but that does not mean they have to approve of their lifestyle.  Tolerance does not necessarily mean one has to agree or approve of every practice.  One can be tolerant in the sense of welcoming someone if they are open to seeking guidance and help.  They try to be accepting and work with individuals through counseling, but the person has to show some willingness to change.  That would be more biblical.  I hope that makes sense.

Edited May 21 by blackbird

[Black Dog]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

No, I never expressed hatred for anyone re the trans subject.  I simply pointed out, if you read and understood what I said, that changing sex is not natural and is unproven.  That is simply my opinion.  We all have a right to express our opinions on such subjects without being accused of hate or bigotry by people such as you.  The LGBTQ being taught to young children in schools as normal is having disastrous consequences for many young people and families.  That is why I care about it even if you don't.

Who cares.

[herbie]

Blackbird said: that changing sex is not natural and is unproven

Chopping down trees, grinding them up, bleaching and pressing the pulp into sheets so you can wipe your bum is not natural either, but you prove it everyday after your morning coffee.
What's 'natural' got to do with it.

And your gripe seems to be how scientific theory can adapt based on new evidence yet the words in an ancient committee written book were, are, and ever will be the absolute truth. IOW you criticize theory without knowing what it is.

[blackbird]

31 minutes ago, herbie said:

And your gripe seems to be how scientific theory can adapt based on new evidence yet the words in an ancient committee written book were, are, and ever will be the absolute truth. IOW you criticize theory without knowing what it is.

 I don't think you are qualified to comment on the Bible.  You don't appear to know anything about it.

[herbie]

It's a book. Do tell me what qualifications one requires to read and interpret a book. Blindly accepting what someone else claiming to be more qualified tells you it means certainly isn't anything at all.

[blackbird]

33 minutes ago, herbie said:

It's a book. Do tell me what qualifications one requires to read and interpret a book. Blindly accepting what someone else claiming to be more qualified tells you it means certainly isn't anything at all.

"7  The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction." Proverbs 1:7

"

1  Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice? 2  She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths. 3  She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors. 4  Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man. 5  O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart. 6  Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things. 7  For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips. {an…: Heb. the abomination of my lips} 8  All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them. {froward: Heb. wreathed} 9  They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge. 10  Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold. 11  For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it. 

12  I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions. {prudence: or, subtilty} 13  The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate. 14  Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength. 15  By me kings reign, and princes decree justice. 16  By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth. 17  I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me. 18  Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness. 19  My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver. 20  I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment: {lead: or, walk} 21  That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures. "

Proverbs 8: 1-21

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, SkyHigh said:

 

Funny how you just ignored this. Your biblical nonsense is hard to square when confronted with reality eh?

"

1  Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. {ungodly: or, wicked} 2  But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. 3  And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. {wither: Heb. fade} 

4  The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. 5  Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. 6  For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish. "

Psalm 1

I will stick with God's counsel in his mighty written word.  Fools can mock it and do as they please, but their time is limited on earth.  They will find out on the day of judgment.
 

[French Patriot]

18 hours ago, blackbird said:

It promotes the evil of atheism which is against reason and logic.

Too stupid of a statement to reply to.