Former Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney has died at 84.

[August1991]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

indeed

as while BPM may have been the Great Statesman on the international stage

....

Disagree.

Mulroney was no Great Statesman on the international stage.

But on the domestic stage, he was fundamental. He changed Canada.

1. He was the first federal Conservative leader that people in French Canada could understand.

2. He was the second Catholic Conservative federal leader after Thompson.

2a. He was the second Conservative federal leader from Quebec after Abbott.

2b. He defeated Clark.

3. He fixed our our old manufacturing sales tax. He negotiated free trade. 

 

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Disagree.

Mulroney was no Great Statesman on the international stage.

But on the domestic stage, he was fundamental. He changed Canada.

1. He was the first federal Conservative leader that people in French Canada could understand.

2. He was the second Catholic Conservative federal leader after Thompson.

2a. He was the second Conservative federal leader from Quebec after Abbott.

2b. He defeated Clark.

3. He fixed our our old manufacturing sales tax. He negotiated free trade. 

 

1. nobody cares about French Canada, disloyal Fenian bastards

2 Free Trade was all part of his downfall, since it was extremely unpopular at the time

3 Clark would have lasted longer, just by caving into the NDP on everything

4 Roman Catholicism is the Whore of Babylon, leading us the collectivist lunatic asylum of the Post National State

 

[August1991]

Diefenbaker won in 1958. Layton in 2011.

But in 1984, Mulroney's win was different.

It changed Canada.

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I have always suspected that Trudeau Snr had a hand in this.

 

 

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, August1991 said:

It changed Canada

not enough tho

since it is still a French & Indian Romanist collective dictatorship

against the liberties of the Lowland Scots Orangemen who founded British North America for individual freedom

resulting the totalitarian Chinese Communist frozen sh1t hole we are living in now

Edited March 1, 2024 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

16 minutes ago, August1991 said:

I have always suspected that Trudeau Snr had a hand in this.

Justin has avenged him

the dynasty is complete

Canada is no more

the cult of the personality has prevailed

[SpankyMcFarland]

25 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

1. nobody cares about French Canada, disloyal Fenian bastards

Fenian? That is another tradition. 
 

25 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

2 Free Trade was all part of his downfall, since it was extremely unpopular at the time

It was the right decision for the country.

 

25 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

4 Roman Catholicism is the Whore of Babylon, leading us the collectivist lunatic asylum of the Post National State

 

Is this a joke? 

Edited March 1, 2024 by SpankyMcFarland

[Dougie93]

17 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Fenian?

a French or Irish republican,  dedicated to the overthrow of the Crown of Canada

17 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

It was the right decision for the country.

 a Faustian bargain with the American menace at the gates

only to the benefit of multinational corporations

 

Edited March 1, 2024 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

12 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Is this a joke? 

only in the sense that the vast majority are saddled under the yoke of French Romanist collectivist tyranny

sad farce

[herbie]

9 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Result we have the Conservative party today, initiated and run by a buncha western bible thumping preacher-men.

As Joe Clark said at the time, "They dropped the 'progressive' part".

That and the BQ gobbling all their support in Quebec.

8 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Mulroney was a soft on Communism lefty progressive

I was waiting to see how long some contemporary fascist claiming to a conservative would take to call him out as a woke leftist.
Yeah he managed not to adopt every crazy 18th century ass backwards social conservative policy on the planet.

- like his leadership role on S Africa
- taking the first steps in recognizing the rights of gays
- pushing sex education during the AIDs era (rather than denial. blame and disinformation)
- improved maternity leave, made it more tax deductible

At the same time brought in Free Trade that got us out of a 100 yr old branch plant economic colony.
Brought in the GST which was needed, originally to begin moving taxation away from income and onto spending - your disposable income ( an idea today's so called conservatives forgot)

Aside from the incessant scandals and appeasement to Quebec, I still gag at those shots of him singing Irish Eyes with Reagan. And still gets accused of not being Reagan's best ally after Thatcher. F that noise.

He was the last Tory I ever voted for in 1984.

Edited March 1, 2024 by herbie

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, herbie said:

 I still gag at those shots of him singing Irish Eyes with Reagan.

that was the best part

for that I wish him godspeed to Heaven's bright shore

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, herbie said:

- like his leadership role on S Africa

yeah, the ANC has done a real nice job there

now siding with Vladimir Putin & Hamas

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, herbie said:

- taking the first steps in recognizing the rights of gays

pretty sure that was PET with Bill C-150 in 1969

[Dougie93]

16 minutes ago, herbie said:

He was the last Tory I ever voted for in 1984.

Commies voting for the soft on Communism lefty Progressive Mulroney

thanks for proving my point

[taxme]

21 hours ago, CdnFox said:

His first election was the first i scrutineered for.

He did better than most. He was far from perfect, but he did run structural surpluses for most of his time in office. Of course with the debt and inflation left by trudeau that still meant deficit spending to pay the interest but he left a pretty tight ship.

The free trade agreement increased our trade surplus with the US tenfold, and that made a HUGE difference for us.

And the GST proved to be a massive game changer as well. 

Of course the liberals campaigned against both but kept them.

It's a shame he got himself a little dirty at the end with airbus and the cash for services thing but lets face it - you coudln't get elected in the east if you weren't a little corrupt, ontario doesn't vote for honest people much  

And it's a shame he allowed the tradition of completely ignoring the west to continue  - that would lead to the  death of the PC party of course

But all in all he was at least a C+ or B as far as prime ministers go and he did a lot of things that he believed was right for canada even though it hurt him politically, and you absolutely have to admire that trait in a leader

No big loss for Canada. For a conservative, i was surprised when he gave us all the GST. That was not a very nice conservative thing to have done at all. Bulroney was just like the rest. He believed in more government, more taxes and less freedom. He didn't help make Canada great. He made it even worse. But what can one expect from a liberal wearing conservative clothing. Stop praising a guy who really did nothing for Canada. 👎 Just my opinion.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Now you're arguing I was being honest? Bwahahaha!

 

No, nobody would ever argue that  

So just to double check - are you saying you were confused about your lying or lying about being confused?

Although with you two things can be true

 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, August1991 said:

Disagree.

Mulroney was no Great Statesman on the international stage.

But on the domestic stage, he was fundamental. He changed Canada.

1. He was the first federal Conservative leader that people in French Canada could understand.

2. He was the second Catholic Conservative federal leader after Thompson.

2a. He was the second Conservative federal leader from Quebec after Abbott.

2b. He defeated Clark.

3. He fixed our our old manufacturing sales tax. He negotiated free trade. 

 

He also did the acid rain deal - which makes him about the only prime minister who actually passed a climate bill and hit the target  

[eyeball]

18 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No, nobody would ever argue that   

Then you'll just have to take my word.

21 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So just to double down...are you saying...?

Lol!

[August1991]

44 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

He also did the acid rain deal - which makes him about the only prime minister who actually passed a climate bill and hit the target  

True.

Mulroney brought Elizabeth May into government. 

[CdnFox]

21 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Ok you're right.  It just i always feel so bad when you make me look stupid.

Well there you go - was that so hard to admit? LOL

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

was that so hard to admit?

What you said? Always, honestly.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, August1991 said:

True.

Mulroney brought Elizabeth May into government. 

Yep.  He wasn't perfect but he got a hell of a lot done, including things he knew would be bad for him but good for canada.

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

What you said? Always, honestly.

You said you mean? 

[eyeball]

22 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You said you mean? 

No, that's entirely your shtick.

 

[CdnFox]

33 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yes, misquoting people is something i do pretty often.

 

Yeah - that would be your 'shtick' allright. Changing what people said and lying about it is YOUR little game.

Ya about done with it?

[August1991]

In 1976, Stanfield resigned. There was a federal Conservative leadership.

Joe who? Clark (Catholic, from Alberta, lousy French) won. Wagner (from Quebec) lost. Mulroney (Catholic) came third.

Note: Federal Conservatives chose Clark a third candidate someone outside Quebec.

(People folded Mulroney's name so that it was "Money".)

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In 1979, Clark became PM, in a minority government.

He bungled everything in Feb 1980 and the rest, as they say, is a walk in the snow. 

 

[eyeball]

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Yeah - that would be your 'shtick' allright. Changing what people said and lying about it is YOUR little game.

Ya about done with it?

No it's up to you to put the Kim Campbell card you played to bed not me.