User Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 14 minutes ago, Army Guy said: SO...Are they taking ground on a daily basis or not ? SO... Did Ukraine retake ground throughout this war or not? 14 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Again so what... Is russia now taking it back now? Again... you tried to argue Ukraine was not taking ground and in the past tried to downplay this and act like Russia was going to take it all right back. 15 minutes ago, Army Guy said: This is a reach even for you....how do you explain them taking heavy cas , and continuing that trend for over a year now....do you really think they are worried about loss of manpower ? 2+2 has always equalled 4 you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out....what would your impression be if your CO decided to use the same tactics over and over again eating up troops would you think he cared or did not give a flying F#ck.... There is a huge difference with being OK with a war of attrition as Russia is engaged in and just not caring at all. As I already pointed out, plenty of folks have been sacked for having bad tactics and strategy here. If Putin did not care at all... then the facts would be far different. 27 minutes ago, Army Guy said: I did not say they would take it back fast , but rather would take it back, the map is a couple posts up, they have taken more than 1/2 of the original Ukrainian push... but hey it was only a stupid assertion right... Yeah right. You don't get to pretend like you were not saying this would be over shortly: "which will be short lived...and completely forgotten in a few months." "we'll see in a couple of months" "so yes it kind of makes it a kamikaze mission" "This gain is temporary at best" ".it is a temporary Moral boaster..." You tried to downplay this from the start and here we are... 8 months later, and Russia is having to grind down their forces even more to retake this land and guess what, now if there are negotiations, this is a bargaining chip in those, not just a "temporary" morale booster. At the time, as it was point out, for all the land you keep having to tout Russia taking, Ukraine took even more Russian land. Quote
Army Guy Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 7 minutes ago, User said: SO... Did Ukraine retake ground throughout this war or not? Again... you tried to argue Ukraine was not taking ground and in the past tried to downplay this and act like Russia was going to take it all right back. There is a huge difference with being OK with a war of attrition as Russia is engaged in and just not caring at all. As I already pointed out, plenty of folks have been sacked for having bad tactics and strategy here. If Putin did not care at all... then the facts would be far different. Yeah right. You don't get to pretend like you were not saying this would be over shortly: "which will be short lived...and completely forgotten in a few months." "we'll see in a couple of months" "so yes it kind of makes it a kamikaze mission" "This gain is temporary at best" ".it is a temporary Moral boaster..." You tried to downplay this from the start and here we are... 8 months later, and Russia is having to grind down their forces even more to retake this land and guess what, now if there are negotiations, this is a bargaining chip in those, not just a "temporary" morale booster. At the time, as it was point out, for all the land you keep having to tout Russia taking, Ukraine took even more Russian land. Yes they did.... Ukraine has not taken as much ground in Ukraine as the russians have over the last year.... you can sack as many people as you want they all are using the same tactics, mass frontal assualts in most cases....you being in the military know very well a frontal assault is always the most costly... All of which are true, with the exception of the timelines..... the cost of the kursk incursion was a temporary moral booster at best, and now they are wasting more manpower and equipment to keep it... which has seen more than 1/2 of those gains taken back, how ever the cost of manpower and equipment was high and all of that could have been used to reinforce the front lines which are being eroded daily...I mean do you see Ukraine gaining those original Kust potions back any time soon... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
User Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 Just now, Army Guy said: Yes they did.... Ukraine has not taken as much ground in Ukraine as the russians have over the last year.... How did this conversation start? Oh yeah, with you acting like Ukraine has not taken land and my pointing out you want to narrowly focus in on certain times to make your argument work. Oh gee, look what you are doing again. 1 minute ago, Army Guy said: you can sack as many people as you want they all are using the same tactics, mass frontal assualts in most cases....you being in the military know very well a frontal assault is always the most costly... Except, they are not just using the same tactics. It is not just a mindless frontal assault. Again, this was your bogus argument that you made flippantly like they didn't care at all. When they do. This war is costing them. 3 minutes ago, Army Guy said: All of which are true, with the exception of the timelines.... All of which were not true and you did act like this was all just temporary while you were waiting for Russia to take it right back. Here we are 8 months later, it was not a kamikaze mission. 4 minutes ago, Army Guy said: and now they are wasting more manpower and equipment to keep it No, Russia is expending even more manpower and equipment, trying to take it back. What happened to all those resources you said Putin was just sitting on and how he was just going to take this right back? 5 minutes ago, Army Guy said: I mean do you see Ukraine gaining those original Kust potions back any time soon... Ukraine ceded the arguably easy ground to cede and there has been ebb and flow here, but once again, you just look at this moment in time. What I see is that this has proven to be a very strategic gain on Ukraine's part and will be vital to future negotiations if they have them in that Ukraine has something to bargain with. So much for just being a temporary moral booster of no real value like you tried to claim. Quote
User Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 10 minutes ago, Army Guy said: I mean do you see Ukraine gaining those original Kust potions back any time soon... I don't know... "Ukraine is believed to have taken more territory in the Russian region of Kursk..." https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-latest-putin-trump-zelenskyy-live-sky-news-12541713?postid=8649251&gsid=8923de03-a1e1-4dfc-b44f-2f96a2a8b805 Quote
Army Guy Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 18 hours ago, User said: How did this conversation start? Oh yeah, with you acting like Ukraine has not taken land and my pointing out you want to narrowly focus in on certain times to make your argument work. Oh gee, look what you are doing again. Except, they are not just using the same tactics. It is not just a mindless frontal assault. Again, this was your bogus argument that you made flippantly like they didn't care at all. When they do. This war is costing them. All of which were not true and you did act like this was all just temporary while you were waiting for Russia to take it right back. Here we are 8 months later, it was not a kamikaze mission. No, Russia is expending even more manpower and equipment, trying to take it back. What happened to all those resources you said Putin was just sitting on and how he was just going to take this right back? Ukraine ceded the arguably easy ground to cede and there has been ebb and flow here, but once again, you just look at this moment in time. What I see is that this has proven to be a very strategic gain on Ukraine's part and will be vital to future negotiations if they have them in that Ukraine has something to bargain with. So much for just being a temporary moral booster of no real value like you tried to claim. Thats not what i said your twisting my words around, I said Ukraine has not taken back any Ukrainian territory, Russia has been steadily advancing in Ukraine. I gave you a source that said Ukraine has taken back some of the Russian territory in recent days due to counter attacks...See the map below...a total of 5 kms has been taken. Note all of the pink parts of the map are Russian control recaptured from Ukrainians original incursion...all the yellow areas are recent Russian recaptured areas...The blue areas are what is left of your Ukrainian incursions, which is shrinking daily according to the map....not me , but from Ukrainian sources.... https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/ukrainian-forces-advance-5-km-into-russia-s-kursk-region-during-assault-isw/ar-AA1yAupP?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=cc5d1520611a4657b710e9107fdbe890&ei=149 I can show you hundreds of videos showing Russian frontal assaults' on Ukrainian positions, all of them show NO coordination with any support elements at all, no arty stikes, no aircraft support, no drone support, just a column of armored attacking across open ground in frontal attacks....That is suicidal, that's a waste of men and equipment... And you say they care and yet the internet is full of examples of poor leadership and mindless attacks on thinly manned ukrainian defense lines...I take it your not combat arms...because anyone would be able to see this waste , anyone would be able to tell you a frontal attack is your last option....and when you do a frontal it is with massive support from arty, air, and tank support....that's not happening ... So don't sit there and tell me they care when a rockie brown bar could poke holes in these tactics all day....and then to have them continue over the last year is insane, throwing men and equipment away at the rate the russians are...How else do you explain Russian losses ? and why are you defending them or their tactic's....Perhaps you can give an example when Russia cared about its soldiers please feel free to go back in their history and give us examples of how they cared... Russia is taking it back, and at the time this incursion took place Russia was advancing on all fronts, all that manpower and resources could have stopped those advances....take a look at what that incursion cost and what remains of those sacrifices almost half of it has been recaptured...and Russia continues to advance all along the main front...and in the last 8 months or so russia has capture thousands of sq kms on ukraine Your source you just posted reflects on that...daily advances can be measured in meters or km's....This year has not been ebbs and flows...it has been of Russia advancing and ukraine trying to slow them down...all at a cost to both sides.... You continue to say this is costing Russia and they are in trouble, so when do you think this war is going to end...must be soon as you painted Russia as a hurting army that can't do much....And somehow with all this fighting going on Ukraine forces are also hurting, they to are having recruiting problems, lack of equipment , lack of supplies, and now they don't know what trump is going to do, as their biggest supplier of munitions and equipment there is a huge question mark over Ukraine... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
User Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 2 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Thats not what i said your twisting my words around, I said Ukraine has not taken back any Ukrainian territory, Again, that is not true. Ukraine has taken back tons of territory throughout this war. 5 minutes ago, Army Guy said: no arty stikes So... which is it... you sit here going on and on and on about how much artillery the Russians are using in this war... and now you are going on about how they are not using artillery. You will say anything and flip-flop back and forth at any moment to make whatever asinine point you are trying to make here. Now you are arguing against a big strawman, as if I said Russia has always cared at every moment about loss of life and tactics, no, you were the one making the generalized claims that Putin didn't care at all, while you keep ignoring the point I am making that he certainly does care to some degree as again, he has routinely fired and replaced leadership to get better results. 7 minutes ago, Army Guy said: You continue to say this is costing Russia and they are in trouble, so when do you think this war is going to end.. It is costing them, all the same things you sit here saying Ukraine is suffering through... with manpower, equipment, recruitment, so is Russia. I am not making any predictions other than saying at this rate it will take Russia over 100 years to take Ukraine. You can't refute that, for all the arguing you do saying how much land they are taking, how many men they are killing, I have done the math for you several times. So, in 100 to 200 years, Russia will conquer Ukraine! It is you who keeps arguing how great Russia is doing, I am just pointing out the reality and facts. Quote
Army Guy Posted February 9 Report Posted February 9 7 hours ago, User said: Again, that is not true. Ukraine has taken back tons of territory throughout this war. So... which is it... you sit here going on and on and on about how much artillery the Russians are using in this war... and now you are going on about how they are not using artillery. You will say anything and flip-flop back and forth at any moment to make whatever asinine point you are trying to make here. Now you are arguing against a big strawman, as if I said Russia has always cared at every moment about loss of life and tactics, no, you were the one making the generalized claims that Putin didn't care at all, while you keep ignoring the point I am making that he certainly does care to some degree as again, he has routinely fired and replaced leadership to get better results. It is costing them, all the same things you sit here saying Ukraine is suffering through... with manpower, equipment, recruitment, so is Russia. I am not making any predictions other than saying at this rate it will take Russia over 100 years to take Ukraine. You can't refute that, for all the arguing you do saying how much land they are taking, how many men they are killing, I have done the math for you several times. So, in 100 to 200 years, Russia will conquer Ukraine! It is you who keeps arguing how great Russia is doing, I am just pointing out the reality and facts. I did not say in the war and its entirety, I have said they have taken territory in the kursk region shit you may even find some little sector in ukraine that was taken back then lost again....as Russia has made steady movement on the Ukrainian front.... I'm starting to guess you did not serve, or don't know what a combine arms operation is.... I have never said otherwise both sides are suffering , Russia being the worst off. I'm not refuting it is going to be a long protracted war, as it already has been , and as your one for details and the way things are worded it is not going to take 100 years, sooner or later NATO is going to get bored and quit or drastically refine its support...it has already done so...or maybe NATO steps up and kicks Russia a$$...but not a 100 years... Ukraine can not keep up with Russia if NATO slows it's support, thats a fact...Trump has already stated that US support Ukraine will have to pay for it, no more freebies... No where did i say Russia is doing great, at most i said steady advances...which translates into Ukraines steady losses... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonbox Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 (edited) On 2/8/2025 at 8:31 PM, Army Guy said: Russia has made steady movement on the Ukrainian front.... At horrific cost and of near-meaningless strategic value. On 2/8/2025 at 8:31 PM, Army Guy said: I'm starting to guess you did not serve, or don't know what a combine arms operation is.... It'd be hard to believe that you did, if I didn't already know better. "Advancing is advancing", as you keep saying, is absolute nonsense and displays a shocking ignorance of even the most basic parts of sound military doctrine. As far as combined arms go, Russia has written a treatise on exactly what not to do. On 2/8/2025 at 8:31 PM, Army Guy said: Ukraine can not keep up with Russia if NATO slows it's support, thats a fact...Trump has already stated that US support Ukraine will have to pay for it, no more freebies... Russia cannot keep up if NATO (or even just Europe) resolves to continue supporting Ukraine. It's economically outclassed 10:1 by the EU alone. It's already dealing with 10% inflation and 21% interest rates, and their "economy" is more and more based on deficit-financed arms production. Last time they tried this was in 1989. Do you remember what happened? The fact that Russia has resorted to bringing North Korean troops (and workers for their factories) and is relying on Iranian and North Korean arms to support their war effort should tell you a lot. Edited February 11 by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 On 2/7/2025 at 6:11 PM, Army Guy said: 100 % right everyone has a expiry date attached to their name...I don't think in Russia's mind it is stolen land but anything is possible...you see that happening anytime soon ? I hope so. Russia’s campaign depends on one man. Ukraine has to be lucky just once. Quote
Army Guy Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 4 hours ago, Moonbox said: At horrific cost and of near-meaningless strategic value. It'd be hard to believe that you did, if I didn't already know better. "Advancing is advancing", as you keep saying, is absolute nonsense and displays a shocking ignorance of even the most basic parts of sound military doctrine. As far as combined arms go, Russia has written a treatise on exactly what not to do. Russia cannot keep up if NATO (or even just Europe) resolves to continue supporting Ukraine. It's economically outclassed 10:1 by the EU alone. It's already dealing with 10% inflation and 21% interest rates, and their "economy" is more and more based on deficit-financed arms production. Last time they tried this was in 1989. Do you remember what happened? The fact that Russia has resorted to bringing North Korean troops (and workers for their factories) and is relying on Iranian and North Korean arms to support their war effort should tell you a lot. And yet they have been doing exactly that for the past year of more, without trying anything new that has produced real gains....it would suggest their idea of strategic value is much different than mine or yours...the fact that it is producing results however small seems to satisfy that strategic value for now regardless of cost, or they would have tried something much different...So to Russia advancing is advancing , in the west it is a waste of manpower and equipment.... You can throw around economic figures all you want, it does not explain why Russia is gaining ground across the entire front, nor does it explain why Russia is out producing all of NATO arty and small arms ammo at the rate or 3 to 1...maybe the west with all its' economical advantages are not using those advantages to ukraines benefit...like i have been say all along....Russia has been trading with other nations in other areas, instead of a money transfer they are offering tech on a variety of things mostly weapons related... Having to rely on other countries support works both ways Ukraine is starving for equipment and supplies from its international allieds Ukraine has been saying this over the media for years now....Trump is now saying Ukraine will have to start paying for these supplies.....or get nothing....Trump is a huge question mark here , and which direction he is going to go is the key to everything... Every day that goes by makes Ukraine weaker...Ukraine can not hope to go toe to toe with Russia without support from NATO which does not want to pi$$ off mother Russia for fear of sparking something much bigger... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
WestCanMan Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 On 2/8/2025 at 9:48 AM, Army Guy said: and when you do a frontal it is with massive support from arty, air, and tank support....that's not happening ... If General Currie, from little old Canada, all the way back in WWI, took charge of the Russian advance he would employ a more modernized attack plan 🤣. That's sad. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Moonbox Posted February 12 Report Posted February 12 18 hours ago, Army Guy said: And yet they have been doing exactly that for the past year of more, without trying anything new that has produced real gains....it would suggest their idea of strategic value is much different than mine or yours. All it suggests is that they're not capable of anything else. 🙃 18 hours ago, Army Guy said: You can throw around economic figures all you want, it does not explain why Russia is gaining ground across the entire front, nor does it explain why Russia is out producing all of NATO arty and small arms ammo at the rate or 3 to 1 It explains how Ukraine narrowed the artillery shell advantage from 10:1 to 1.5:1 in less than a year, and how they'll be able to quickly outscale Russia with even the slightest amount of commitment. Fortunately for Russia, they have guys like you doing everything they can to promote the inevitability of their victory. 20 hours ago, Army Guy said: Having to rely on other countries support works both ways Yes, and that was my point. You keep talking about how Ukraine relies on foreign military aid to underline its weakness, but dismiss the reality that Russia has relied heavily on shitholes like North Korea and Iran. 22 hours ago, Army Guy said: Every day that goes by makes Ukraine weaker...Ukraine can not hope to go toe to toe with Russia without support from NATO which does not want to pi$$ off mother Russia for fear of sparking something much bigger... That's the whole point, isn't it? Ukraine needs the support to hold off and defeat Russia, and here you are doing everything you can to argue against it. 😑 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Army Guy Posted February 12 Report Posted February 12 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Moonbox said: All it suggests is that they're not capable of anything else. 🙃 It explains how Ukraine narrowed the artillery shell advantage from 10:1 to 1.5:1 in less than a year, and how they'll be able to quickly outscale Russia with even the slightest amount of commitment. Fortunately for Russia, they have guys like you doing everything they can to promote the inevitability of their victory. Yes, and that was my point. You keep talking about how Ukraine relies on foreign military aid to underline its weakness, but dismiss the reality that Russia has relied heavily on shitholes like North Korea and Iran. That's the whole point, isn't it? Ukraine needs the support to hold off and defeat Russia, and here you are doing everything you can to argue against it. 😑 Which has been my point all along "they don't care about current losses, or the current tactics being used, as long as they are pushing forward...regardless of why they still have not changed their tactics or strategies, and have forgotten basic military strategies and tactics You'd have a point if this war was not 3 years in the making...NATO is still trying to replenish their own stocks...and Billions of NATO dollars are being spent to increase capacity....So in 3 more years maybe NATO will surpass what Russia is making every month....but right now, today NATO is dead last in this conflict... I guess your definition of heavily relied upon is not the same as mine...Russia still produces the bulk of its ammo and equipment. And the support it does get only makes them stronger....IF NATO economies are 10 times as large, and has much larger equipment to draw upon...why is russia winning today.... No, i'm not been saying that at all along "NATO needs to step up" or Ukraine will the net losser in all of this......and here we are months later and NATO still has not provided Ukraine with the amount of equipment and supplies to turn the battle map around....how is that arguing against it... By laying our the facts that Russia is winning this war, it is paying a horrible price for it but everyday they are gaining ground...and they are doing that through sheer force and numbers...Ukraine without additional help is going to continue to loose it's territory, its men, and equipment.... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14389607/pete-hegseth-ukraine-europe-nato-donald-trump.html Edited February 12 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonbox Posted February 12 Report Posted February 12 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Which has been my point all along "they don't care about current losses, or the current tactics being used, as long as they are pushing forward...regardless of why they still have not changed their tactics or strategies, and have forgotten basic military strategies and tactics Yeah, we understand what you think you're point is. It's just not a very good one. At a basic level, you have to accept that there's a threshold where the amount of lives and equipment lost is not worth the amount of territory being gained. If not, then you're proposing that losing 1,000,000 soldiers to capture a cow path would be acceptable in Mad Vlad's mind. Assuming you can at least get on board with that logic, we have to assume what you actually mean is that Putin doesn't view casualties the same way we do, which is undoubtedly true, but completely irrelevant. He can devalue his people and overvalue territory all he wants, but he can't afford to continue losing soldiers and torpedoing his country's finances for as long as Ukraine could continue to cede territory. That's objective fact. Understanding that, you have to realize that Russia's efforts in this war hinge on the narrative. Their only hope is to win the information war - to convince the west they're way stronger than they are, that the situation is hopeless, and that their grinding advance is inevitable. It's not. Russia is always weaker/poorer/less capable than they pretend they are, but if enough Army Guys buy into Putin's propaganda spin, they'll win regardless. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 12 Report Posted February 12 Seems like Trump is in a hurry to cave to Putin while sidelining Zelenskyy. Some deal-maker that boy is! Quote
Army Guy Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 2 hours ago, Moonbox said: Yeah, we understand what you think you're point is. It's just not a very good one. At a basic level, you have to accept that there's a threshold where the amount of lives and equipment lost is not worth the amount of territory being gained. If not, then you're proposing that losing 1,000,000 soldiers to capture a cow path would be acceptable in Mad Vlad's mind. Assuming you can at least get on board with that logic, we have to assume what you actually mean is that Putin doesn't view casualties the same way we do, which is undoubtedly true, but completely irrelevant. He can devalue his people and overvalue territory all he wants, but he can't afford to continue losing soldiers and torpedoing his country's finances for as long as Ukraine could continue to cede territory. That's objective fact. Understanding that, you have to realize that Russia's efforts in this war hinge on the narrative. Their only hope is to win the information war - to convince the west they're way stronger than they are, that the situation is hopeless, and that their grinding advance is inevitable. It's not. Russia is always weaker/poorer/less capable than they pretend they are, but if enough Army Guys buy into Putin's propaganda spin, they'll win regardless. I know what my point is, it's you that are having issues with it. I have been making the same point for over 8 months now, during that time Russia has lost on average 1200 to 1500 troops per day....and it has been going on like this well over a year...So i ask you a week a month , a couple of months a whole year of the same thing happening over and over again a pattern emerges...I 've ask this question many times, Do you think they care how much men they have lost, and what of their actions shows you that ? And in your mind where is that threshold, do you think they are close to it ? and what of their actions tell you that ? They are close to that mark with loosing 1,000,000 men already if they have not already past it, do you see them pausing or slowing down or changing things up...So explain to me if vlad is not accepting these losses without even blinking why has he not done anything....or paused or started to talk about peace or showed any sign of anything except doing the same thing expecting a different result... I've already said that Russian have never cared about casualties, in any conflict they have been involved with....and we in the west have much different cultural ideas of what is expectable and what is not in regards to loss of men and equipment. And yet i see no changing of any tactics or modes of operation, they still produce the same manpower loss day after day how much longer can he sustain these losses....well when he runs out of men and women...Thats not my opinion that is what historically to date we have seen so far.... His finances have been hurting for some time now, and yet no changes to how this conflict is doing, and their economy is not the same as ours , the state owns the resources, the state owns the manufacturer's facility. it does not cost the same as the west when they build a tank or ammo etc...and from what i heard recently they are now breaking into their gold reserves, how much longer they can last,well beyond my pay grade...but i do know it is not going to stop any time soon, not today not tomorrow... The objective is not to capture all of Ukraine...they have already said that, mind you they have said a lot of things....but we do not know what Putin's objectives are in this conflict... They have already won the war of information....why is the west so hesitant on giving Ukraine the materials they need to stop Russia or even push them back....why is it the aid that NATO has given is not enough to really effect the situation that much...Because NATO does not want to get drawn into the conflict, and they don't want to upset putin...unless you have another opinion i'm all ears... Anyone on this forum is NOT going to have an effect on this conflict....regardless of what they say or post...disagree with mainstream opinion is just that a disagreement, it has nothing to due with spewing Russia propaganda...I've always been on Ukraine side, but have criticized NATOs actions in prolonging this war by slow rolling aid... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonbox Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 15 hours ago, Army Guy said: And yet i see no changing of any tactics or modes of operation, they still produce the same manpower loss day after day how much longer can he sustain these losses....well when he runs out of men and women...Thats not my opinion that is what historically to date we have seen so far.... Yes, you've already said that, multiple times, and I've already responded to that, multiple times. Rather than repeat 5 paragraphs of things you've already said, maybe answer this: What else is Russia capable of? Beyond terror-bombing civilian infrastructure and throwing meat into fortified positions, what else is Russia even capable of with their peasant army and 1960's surplus equipment? You keep framing this as if it's a choice for Putin, rather than the only option he has available. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Army Guy Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Yes, you've already said that, multiple times, and I've already responded to that, multiple times. Rather than repeat 5 paragraphs of things you've already said, maybe answer this: What else is Russia capable of? Beyond terror-bombing civilian infrastructure and throwing meat into fortified positions, what else is Russia even capable of with their peasant army and 1960's surplus equipment? You keep framing this as if it's a choice for Putin, rather than the only option he has available. Your the one that has said Russia can not sustain these losses...and multiply times i have responded....yes they can, and are still doing it...lets not forget Russia has well over 1.5 million men under arms...and a 3 million reserve and is replacing most of it's losses with new troops...troops are not a problem, equipment is... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Armed_Forces I would say a lot more than you are giving them credit for, just take a look at those NATO countries which share a border or are close to Russia, Some of them are preparing for war as we speak, more than a few have already converted to conscription, working on border defenses, increasing production of military supplies, investing in more equipment, One has to ask your selve Why spend this amount of money if there was no threat posed by Russia...Most of Europe has been caught up in this Russia hype, and is doing the same thing, Germanies chief of defence General has said he expects russia to go on the offensive within 5 years. NATO is already talking about increasing GDP ratio's to 3 % of GDP...with 2/3 of NATO already at 2 %....With all these red light flashing someone somewhere is saying Russia is very much a threat to Europe and Ukraine... Russia has more many different fronts it is concerned with, each one hold vast amounts of equipment...And if you think Russia has only 1960 era equipment on the ukrainian front you have not been paying attention... Putin has plenty of choices, it is the why, when , where nobody knows what he is thinking or what his plans are , one thing is for sure, Russia is still a large threat to NATO or NATO would be putting troops into Ukraine as we speak...on top of a strong conventional army, they still have vast quantities of chemical , bio, and nuclear arsenals.. Edited February 13 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Videospirit Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 At the Russian losses to land conquest progress ratios right now, Russia would eventually lose this war, but it's not just land Ukraine is losing. Ukraine is struggling to replace their military losses. They have enough manpower in the country, but the Ukrainians healthy enough to do so who want to fight are already fighting. They have enough material for their military at the moment, although they burn through supplies quicker than they can replace without foreign aid, but a lot of their units are at 20-30% strength from unreplaced losses. Russia has the opposite problem, they've got reserves for years, but they don't have enough gear to arm them all. Ukraine's biggest issue right now is manpower. Quote
athos Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 On 5/18/2024 at 4:03 PM, User said: You are speaking with a forked tongue and this is a false dilemma. Russia will have little motivation to negotiate for an end to the war, what makes you think they would, if we are not supporting Ukraine and you oppose our support for Ukraine. You lost the war, live with it. Trump has already proposed a deal to Putin: Ukraine is yours, Canada is mine. Quote
User Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 8 hours ago, athos said: You lost the war, live with it. Trump has already proposed a deal to Putin: Ukraine is yours, Canada is mine. I did not lose anything. Trump made no such promise. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 Trump has already given away Ukraine’s territorial integrity and NATO membership before negotiations start. Some negotiator! Then Vance dresses down his NATO allies. Who is America’s enemy here? Quote
Moonbox Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 23 hours ago, Army Guy said: Your the one that has said Russia can not sustain these losses...and multiply times i have responded....yes they can, and are still doing it...lets not forget Russia has well over 1.5 million men under arms...and a 3 million reserve and is replacing most of it's losses with new troops...troops are not a problem, equipment is... "You can throw numbers around all you want..." 1.5 million men under arms, a large portion of whom (conscripts) are forbidden by Russian Law to be sent to the front lines. North Korean troops fighting in Russia tells us they are not sustaining their horrendous losses, as is the fact they're barely nudging the front line forward despite the casualties. Regardless, the Russian war chest was $117B to start the war. It was down to $35 billion by the end of December. At the current pace, it's gone by mid-late summer, at which point the Russian people will start feeling its costs directly and acutely. Maybe I'm naive and can't actually believe they're willing to go back to North Korean/Soviet style military economy, but the cowed servility of the average Russian donkey-person is hard to underestimate now. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Videospirit Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 2 hours ago, Moonbox said: "You can throw numbers around all you want..." 1.5 million men under arms, a large portion of whom (conscripts) are forbidden by Russian Law to be sent to the front lines. North Korean troops fighting in Russia tells us they are not sustaining their horrendous losses, as is the fact they're barely nudging the front line forward despite the casualties. Regardless, the Russian war chest was $117B to start the war. It was down to $35 billion by the end of December. At the current pace, it's gone by mid-late summer, at which point the Russian people will start feeling its costs directly and acutely. Maybe I'm naive and can't actually believe they're willing to go back to North Korean/Soviet style military economy, but the cowed servility of the average Russian donkey-person is hard to underestimate now. I've seen reports that North Korea's deployment was made at North Korea's request. That doesn't seem out of character for North Korea either if they thought of it as some kind of test of their military. If true, it's not really indicative of desperation on the Russian military's side. Regardless, Russia will run out of money and materiel before it runs out of soldiers. Quote
-TSS- Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 Such a shame that Canada is not a superpower because if it was the government of that superpower Canada would never let Ukraine down as there is a huge Ukrainian diaspora in Canada, Quote
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