Dougie93 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 On 2/15/2024 at 4:30 PM, Queenmandy85 said: The last Christian (One True Faith) Prime Minister of Canada was Kim Campbell. The last one before that was Borden. If you include the United Church (since it is an off-shoot of the Christian Faith), Harper was raised a Christian but converted to the dissenter heresy. one should never bear fealty to any particular Prime Minister only the monarch is Sovereign the entire foundation of our system of governance as in the other direction lies only American republicanism the very anathema of Canada itself as this Confederation is not built to take the pounding therein ; beware 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 This is a 17’th century debate, the sort of thing deranged dinosaurs like Ian Paisley used to go in for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 (edited) I’m just not sure the Canadian government is interested in anything that could be called Canadian historically or culturally, which if true, makes Canada purely a jurisdiction of economic value and quality of life value. While I don’t think one can separate cultural values from quality of life (as what we enjoy and like depends very much on what is familiar and good based on our cultural beliefs and proclivities), if we just focus on Canada as a Post-National State money making colony, I’m not sure it’s that competitive. The average moderately hard working and talented person can make more money and have more in the US now. The social safety nets are more similar than ever in both countries, but at least in the US I can choose higher quality private healthcare that I can’t get in Canada. The only area where Canada beats the US is in public safety and public education, but we are also less able to push back against bad governance because of our weaker free speech and individual rights. We don’t even have constitutional protection of property in Canada. So, if you strip away the Crown and our British ties, you have an economically weaker, militarily weaker version of the US with fewer rights. Meh. Such a country is more susceptible to Chinese and international pressure, let alone US pressure. At that point, without the Crown, we’d be better off as distinct countries (formerly provinces), some or all of which would likely eventually join the US, perhaps with less representation in Washington than US states. It doesn’t have to go that way. Canada is resource rich and highly educated. With an affirmation of our culture, an unleashing of our resource sector, and a stronger military, Canada could chart her own strong path, maintaining strong alliances with Britain and the US but serving her own interests primarily. Edited February 17 by Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: I’m just not sure the Canadian government is interested in anything that could be called Canadian historically or culturally, which if true, makes Canada purely a jurisdiction of economic value and quality of life value. While I don’t think one can separate cultural values from quality of life (as what we enjoy and like depends very much on what is familiar and good based on our cultural beliefs and proclivities), if we just focus on Canada as a Post-National State money making colony, I’m not sure it’s that competitive. The average moderately hard working and talented person can make more money and have more in the US now. The social safety nets are more similar than ever in both countries, but at least in the US I can choose higher quality private healthcare that I can’t get in Canada. The only area where Canada beats the US is in public safety and public education, but we are also less able to push back against bad governance because of our weaker free speech and individual rights. We don’t even have constitutional protection of property in Canada. So, if you strip away the Crown and our British ties, you have an economically weaker, militarily weaker version of the US with fewer rights. Meh. Such a country is more susceptible to Chinese and international pressure, let alone US pressure. At that point, without the Crown, we’d be better off as distinct countries (formerly provinces), some or all of which would likely eventually join the US, perhaps with less representation in Washington than US states. It doesn’t have to go that way. Canada is resource rich and highly educated. With an affirmation of our culture, an unleashing of our resource sector, and a stronger military, Canada could chart her own strong path, maintaining strong alliances with Britain and the US but serving her own interests primarily. but surely even as a Papist, you must recognize that the French & Indian collectivist rights which are overthrowing you Enlightened God given individual liberties are entirely Romanist in origin & by design to wit, yes, Marge, the Pope in Rome is a Marxist-Leninist too Tiberius Caesar will side with any ideology to protect the Principate Pontifex Maximus, the last remaining office of the Roman Imperator the Whore of Babylon puts its boot upon your neck, pilgrim the Nazarene Himself is the original Protestant, brother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: but surely even as a Papist, you must recognize that the French & Indian collectivist rights which are overthrowing you Enlightened God given individual liberties are entirely Romanist in origin & by design to wit, yes, Marge, the Pope in Rome is a Marxist-Leninist too Tiberius Caesar will side with any ideology to protect the Principate Pontifex Maximus, the last remaining office of the Roman Imperator the Whore of Babylon puts its boot upon your neck, pilgrim the Nazarene Himself is the original Protestant, brother Until Francis the Merciful, I would’ve staunchly disagreed with you, but our current Pope seems to be actively dismantling the Church as a spiritual institution protecting Christian values and replacing it with secular statist values that are increasingly indistinguishable from the UN, EU, and other top-down internationalist organizations. This pope has said that the Church has much in common with Marxists and he has brought in heretical documents like Fiducia Suplicans. Once sins are blessed and family life is mocked, even meekly, it’s hard not to see a great apostasy afoot. The last secret of Fatima refers to an attack on the family in end times. If we don’t see that at least the seeds of that have been sown, we are either blind or ignorant. Once humanity stops reproducing itself, that’s mass suicide. That’s underway in the West, and the Church seems unable or unwilling to speak up. They used to. Pope Francis has more or less renounced missionary work as “proselytizing”, so the same forces that ended Anglican public education in Canada are at work in Catholic public education. The Church’s own leadership seems to be squandering its primary mission: leading souls to salvation. Edited February 17 by Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 38 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: This is a 17’th century debate, the sort of thing deranged dinosaurs like Ian Paisley used to go in for. Canada was born of the 17th century founded by Samuel de Champlain at Quebec, 22 June 1603 taken as a war prize by the House of Hanover, upon the Plains of Abraham, 13 September 1759 defended by the Loyalists at the Heights of Queenston, 13 October 1812 Confederated in the face of the Fenian Invaders, 2 June 1866 a people without a history are easy to control 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 7 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Until Francis the Merciful, I would’ve staunchly disagreed with you, but our current Pope seems to be actively dismantling the Church as a spiritual institution protecting Christian values and replacing it with secular statist values that are increasingly indistinguishable from the UN, EU, and other top-down internationalist organizations. This pope has said that the Church has much in common with Marxists and he has brought in heretical documents like Fiducia Suplicans. Once sins are blessed and family life is mocked, even meekly, it’s hard not to see a great apostasy afoot. The last secret of Fatima refers to an attack on the family in end times. If we don’t see that at least the seeds of that have been sown, we are either blind or ignorant. Once humanity stops reproducing itself, that’s mass suicide. That’s underway in the West, and the Church seems unable or unwilling to speak up. They used to. nail your protest to the door therein in His ministry together, brother Peace of the Canada's Nec Aspera Terrent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: nail your protest to the door therein in His ministry together, brother Peace of the Canada's Nec Aspera Terrent It’s certainly getting harder to justify this Pope’s behaviour, but I’ve been reminded that there have been bad popes who have come and gone. They alone cannot destroy the Church, so I’m hanging in there. However, as you well know as a political critic of our government, the awareness of what is threatening the West spiritually is dim among too many. The opposition are lone cries in the wilderness, but voices that must be heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 Trudeau and Papist Dictators.... Stupidest claim I've ever seen. Move to Belfast 30 years ago and maybe you'd find happiness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 On 2/17/2024 at 3:00 PM, herbie said: Trudeau and Papist Dictators.... Stupidest claim I've ever seen. Move to Belfast 30 years ago and maybe you'd find happiness. Canada is largely a Roman Catholic country. And we get along. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 17 hours ago, August1991 said: Canada is largely a Roman Catholic country. And we get along. Don't forget the thread title says Canada is also ruled by the dictatorial Trudeau and many Liberals. So which is it that contributes the most to our getting along, Catholics, Trudeau, Liberals or simply the dictatorial methods they rule us with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 On 2/21/2024 at 3:20 PM, eyeball said: .... So which is it that contributes the most to our getting along, Catholics, Trudeau, Liberals or simply the dictatorial methods they rule us with? eyeball, Joe Clark was Catholic. John Thompson was Catholic. John Turner was Catholic. Wilfrid Laurier was Catholic. Go figure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, August1991 said: eyeball, Joe Clark was Catholic. John Thompson was Catholic. John Turner was Catholic. Wilfrid Laurier was Catholic. Go figure. Trudeau's a Catholic too and everyone's getting along like cats and dogs. Figure that too. We should give an atheist a go at it, maybe they'll be a scientist as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Trudeau's a Catholic too and everyone's getting along like cats and dogs. Figure that too. We should give an atheist a go at it, maybe they'll be a scientist as well. Atheist? Catholic? Roman Catholic? All true - Canada is Catholic, America is Protestant ===== eyeball, you miss the key point of Canadian politics, Canadian history. We Canadians often vote across racial/religious/tribal lines. When we Canadians have the chance - we tend to vote for what works, eh? Edited February 24 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 44 minutes ago, August1991 said: eyeball, you miss the key point of Canadian politics, Canadian history. What's here and what's coming at us are more important. 48 minutes ago, August1991 said: We Canadians often vote across racial/religious/tribal lines. I don't agree really. I think or hope maybe that most voters realize these lines don't intersect well enough to reflect a more focused fundamental set of interests and values to govern the country with. 55 minutes ago, August1991 said: When we Canadians have the chance - we tend to vote for what works, eh? To bad the chances of that have been so few and far between. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 7 minutes ago, eyeball said: .... I don't agree really. I think or hope maybe that most voters realize these lines don't intersect well enough to reflect a more focused fundamental set of interests and values to govern the country with. To bad the chances of that have been so few and far between. In Canada, a century ago, how many Protestants voted for a Catholic - even when a Protestant was on the ballot. In 2008, when given the choice, how many Blacks (African-Americans) did not vote for Obama? In 1896, how many French-speaking, Catholic Quebecers did not vote for Laurier. Do the numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 Russians are stubborn. The English always oppose the continent. Americans are self-centred. The French have a superior accent. The Chinese are obsessed with face. India is not a country. ===== We Canadians get along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted February 24 Author Report Share Posted February 24 (edited) On 2/17/2024 at 7:53 AM, SpankyMcFarland said: This is a 17’th century debate, the sort of thing deranged dinosaurs like Ian Paisley used to go in for. You don't appear to have any idea about the true spiritual warfare that is going on in the world between good and evil, or truth and error. So you are stumbling along in darkness. Ian Paisley was one of the greatest politicians and preachers of the 20th century. Why do you think the Communists, Marxists, anti-Christians, anti-Bible people, and revolutionaries always came out to his public meetings to demonstrate and protest and try to silence him? Edited February 24 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 12 hours ago, blackbird said: Ian Paisley was one of the greatest politicians and preachers of the 20th century. the Red Hand of Ulster is the right hand of God dextera Dei 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 (edited) On 2/24/2024 at 12:54 PM, Dougie93 said: the Red Hand of Ulster is the right hand of God dextera Dei Ian Paisley. What a guy. I remember when William Davis refused to let him speak in Ontario. And I remember a BBC interview when the interviewer was confused about his, uh, orientation. ===== Chinese are obsessed with face. We Canadians get along. Edited February 26 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dougie93 Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 17 hours ago, August1991 said: I remember when William Davis refused to let him speak in Ontario. your memory must be flawed since the Premier has no authority to ban speech in Ontario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 17 hours ago, August1991 said: Ian Paisley. What a guy. indeed one of the greatest Protestant firebrands since the Reformation yet also the peacemaker in the end, as First Minister for Ulster godspeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 So Gator shows us he's one of those 1953 'real men' who thinks drag queens and trannies are a "danger" to women and children. Education, enlightenment or actually knowing one are all 'too woke' for them to stomach.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted February 26 Author Report Share Posted February 26 On 2/23/2024 at 3:45 PM, August1991 said: eyeball, Joe Clark was Catholic. John Thompson was Catholic. John Turner was Catholic. Wilfrid Laurier was Catholic. Go figure. Could that have something to do with why Canada is going Socialist and progressive and massive third world immigration? Canada won't be recognizable as a European founded country or a Judeo-Christian society in the not too distant future. That is what the liberal Papist machine wants. They hate WASPs, (white Aglo Saxon Protestants). They are working to change the demographics so that most voters will be third world immigrants that believe in their brand of liberalism/progressivism/Socialism. If you don't agree with them (liberals), your thinking is wrong; ask Trudeau or liberals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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