As Kids, They Thought They Were Trans. They No Longer Do. (or why it's ok for parents to question)

[Black Dog]

On 2/18/2024 at 4:14 PM, Perspektiv said:

Your mirror states otherwise.

Pu$$y.

[CdnFox]

21 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Pu$$y.

Awwww - did he upset you little guy? Such language!! And once again talking about something you have no personal experience with   

Edited February 20, 2024 by CdnFox

[Guest]

"Unsupportive"

To me, all I see is "parents that don't agree or follow our ideology".

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

"Unsupportive"

To me, all I see is "parents that don't agree or follow our ideology".

It's not ideology.

You and others have been asked to explain how this is ideology, and have failed to produce anything that matches the definition.

[Nationalist]

On 2/16/2024 at 12:05 PM, Michael Hardner said:

2. The first question strikes me as an NDP approach, and the second a nationalist one.

Oops...I'm up. (giggle)

On 2/16/2024 at 12:05 PM, Michael Hardner said:

3. Careful thinking and deep thinking needs to be led by people who are trusted by the public, I would say.  We don't have that.

Mike...who might these "people who are trusted by the public" you speak of? I've learned, over the last decade or so, that I can trust very few people and those I might trust, you likely would not. Is there anyone you and I could agree on as being "trustworthy". Probably not eh?

You and I had a conversation quite some time ago about trust. I do not trust the media. They have been bought and paid for. I do not "completely" trust alternative media. They have an axe to grind and thus are inclined to oppose simply for the sake of opposition. So...who can we trust?

I have decided to trust my own senses. In this case...should kids be able to even seek sex change and/or hormone treatments? My senses scream at me 'NO!". Should parents be informed by schools if their child is asking for such treatments and/or help in seeking them? My senses again scream at me..."YES!".

This seems to me to be common sense. At what point did we, as a whole, decide to abandon common sense? And further to that...why?

Edited February 20, 2024 by Nationalist

[Moonbox]

8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I do not trust the media.

Until they're saying something you like.  Your version of reality rarely conforms with theirs, which is why you usually post garbage links from Redacted, or state-controlled Russian news etc.  When the mainstream media posts something you think supports your worldview, however, you've demonstrated you're more than happy to cite them. 🙄

 

[Nationalist]

29 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Until they're saying something you like.  Your version of reality rarely conforms with theirs, which is why you usually post garbage links from Redacted, or state-controlled Russian news etc.  When the mainstream media posts something you think supports your worldview, however, you've demonstrated you're more than happy to cite them. 🙄

 

You are such a tiresome exhibition of a bald-faced liar. My entire quote is...

Quote

I do not trust the media. They have been bought and paid for. I do not "completely" trust alternative media. They have an axe to grind and thus are inclined to oppose simply for the sake of opposition. So...who can we trust?

immediately followed with...

Quote

I have decided to trust my own senses

My senses tell me you don't like being proven wrong...over and over...and must resort to lies in order to either make some sort of arsehole point, or simply to sooth your own lack of sense.

"YOU'RE A PUTIN PUPPET! YOU KISS TRUMP'S A$SHOLE!"

*sigh* Unfortunately my silly person...

A. You're accusations fail monumentally and are now just "pink noise".

B. Y'all ain' too bright.

Do have a warm and fuzzy day...

Edited February 20, 2024 by Nationalist

[CdnFox]

53 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

You are such a tiresome exhibition of a bald-faced liar. My entire quote is...

immediately followed with...

My senses tell me you don't like being proven wrong...over and over...and must resort to lies in order to either make some sort of arsehole point, or simply to sooth your own lack of sense.

"YOU'RE A PUTIN PUPPET! YOU KISS TRUMP'S A$SHOLE!"

*sigh* Unfortunately my silly person...

A. You're accusations fail monumentally and are now just "pink noise".

B. Y'all ain' too bright.

Do have a warm and fuzzy day...

Yeah - same old tired rhetoric from some of the same old tired lefties but the fact is your answer is pretty much the correct one that everyone should have.

Its fine to give some credence to the news but you HAVE to start out with the assumption they've gotten something significant wrong.  Either by omission, error or intent.  Sometimes they just  screw a story up and the information is inaccurate, sometimes they're deliberately presenting a positive image of something or casting something in a deliberately negative light.

I tend to think of news stories as "unconfirmed reports indicating that...(whatever the story was about),"   Not to be dismissed but to be assumed to contain errors until verified. If it's an important issue to me i'll do more research and see if it holds up.

You cannot trust the media. They always get it wrong. Even when they're trying to get it right they get it wrong

[Black Dog]

4 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

"Unsupportive"

To me, all I see is "parents that don't agree or follow our ideology".

I was talking about parents who would abuse or disown their kids for being trans but way to tell on yourself here.

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

 

1. Mike...who might these "people who are trusted by the public" you speak of? I've learned, over the last decade or so, that I can trust very few people and those I might trust, you likely would not. Is there anyone you and I could agree on as being "trustworthy". Probably not eh?

2. ...should kids be able to even seek sex change and/or hormone treatments? My senses scream at me 'NO!".  

3. This seems to me to be common sense. At what point did we, as a whole, decide to abandon common sense? And further to that...why?

1. Maybe not.  If you could suggest one I would look into it.

2. Is it possible that others might have some expertise on this?

3. Common Sense doesn't mean the same as  'correct'.  Lots of ideas that contradict common sense have been broadly accepted, even recently.

Like gay marriage for example...

Sometimes you have to accept that you and your perspective don't matter to the whole in the way that you'd like.  When Poilievre gets elected, there will be a lot of changes that liberals and left won't accept... they'll learn too.

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

I was talking about parents who would abuse or disown their kids for being trans but way to tell on yourself here.

You're talking about imaginary parents - which in your mind seems to be synonymous with 'conservative' or 'religious'

As i said ages ago if the schools want to provide some outreach to the parents to help them deal with the shock and understand what the dangers are then fine,. IF there's a genuine risk to safety tell the authorities and they'll get involved. 

But you don't make anything better by having teachers teach the kids to lie or by keeping parents in the dark.  If you think the parents will react badly now imaigne if they find out later AND ON TOP OF IT find out their kid has been lying to them and telling people they're bad parents.  

You don't care about the kid, you care about your ideology.  And that's just wrong.

[Nationalist]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Maybe not.  If you could suggest one I would look into it.

2. Is it possible that others might have some expertise on this?

3. Common Sense doesn't mean the same as  'correct'.  Lots of ideas that contradict common sense have been broadly accepted, even recently.

Like gay marriage for example...

Sometimes you have to accept that you and your perspective don't matter to the whole in the way that you'd like.  When Poilievre gets elected, there will be a lot of changes that liberals and left won't accept... they'll learn too.

One can only hope...

1. Try https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoJhK5kMc4LjBKdiYrDtzlA

Try just surfing for news in either youtube or rumble. Lots there. You like authority ffigures... Try https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=judge+napolitano+judging+freedom+

2. It is probable. But we've been lied to so many times by jack-asses who claim expertise and turn out to be WAY off the mark, that how can one trust them anymore?

3. Socially accepted does not mean correct either. I think I'll stick to my senses, thank you very much.

Gay marriage was never insensible as far as I'm concerned.

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

It's not ideology.

Teaching kids you have unlimited genders and that you can somehow be born in the wrong body, is ideology.

Its nothing more than a belief system being pushed onto children socially in the west.

Couldn't be any further from fact.

You can't change gender. Its physically impossible.

You can modify genitals to closer align to your gender you feel you were assigned, but that's about it.

A vagina that is surgically created, is nothing more than an open wound that requires constant dilation in order not to heal shut. This is far from biology. 

This isn't lost on many with dysphoria, or that reality that no amount of surgery or hormones will change your gender. 

Its a mental health issue, so treatment must start there, vs playing pretend, walking on eggshells socially, creating far more anger and vitriol targeting the people you're trying to protect.

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

and have failed to produce anything that matches the definition

That matches a definition that you're happy with.

It fits perfectly.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Black Dog said:

I was talking about parents who would abuse or disown their kids for being trans

Like I said. This being visibly the case is no joke and should be addressed.

Otherwise, teachers should butt out and let parents be parents, and stick to teaching.

I don't tell my siblings, my friends heck, even my wife how to raise their kids.

[Black Dog]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

Like I said. This being visibly the case is no joke and should be addressed.

Otherwise, teachers should butt out and let parents be parents, and stick to teaching.

I don't tell my siblings, my friends heck, even my wife how to raise their kids.

Butting out also applies to not outing kids.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

Teaching kids you have unlimited genders and that you can somehow be born in the wrong body, is ideology.

Its nothing more than a belief system being pushed onto children socially in the west.

Couldn't be any further from fact.

You can't change gender. Its physically impossible.

You can modify genitals to closer align to your gender you feel you were assigned, but that's about it.

A vagina that is surgically created, is nothing more than an open wound that requires constant dilation in order not to heal shut. This is far from biology. 

This isn't lost on many with dysphoria, or that reality that no amount of surgery or hormones will change your gender. 

Its a mental health issue, so treatment must start there, vs playing pretend, walking on eggshells socially, creating far more anger and vitriol targeting the people you're trying to protect.

That matches a definition that you're happy with.

It fits perfectly.

That might be the ideology OF gender but the ideology AROUND gender is just as bad.

This is the current prevalent left wing idea that children should be strongly encouraged to be confused about their gender and that anyone including parents who might interfere with that are evil and should be kept away. Any child willing to undergo medical transformation should be protected and put into that program as quickly as possible no matter what.  And any research that suggests that's happening too quickly should be denounced as 'transphobic'.

The idea that it's somehow DESIRABLE to have as many kids transition as possible is not based on science but rather ideology and it's dangerous as hell for the kids.

2 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Butting out also applies to not outing kids.

Nope - they have a duty to advise about serious medical issues. 

Butting out means not making parental decisions themselves. They're not there to be the kids' mommy or daddy.

[Moonbox]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

You are such a tiresome exhibition of a bald-faced liar. My entire quote is...

I wasn't commenting on your entire quote.  I was commenting on one part of it, specifically the part about you trusting alternative sources more, and not trusting the MSM.  Not only are your alternative sources usually junk, you also post MSM links frequently, thereby suggesting that the MSM is trustworthy enough to repost.  The implication of this is obvious...that the MSM is untrustworthy, unless it's saying something you agree with.  🥴

Edited February 20, 2024 by Moonbox

[CdnFox]

Just now, Moonbox said:

I wasn't commenting on your entire quote.  I was commenting on one part of it,

" I WASN'T TRYING TO QUOTE YOU - I WAS TRYING TO TAKE YOU OUT OF CONTEXT!!!!!"

Lol.   Odd defense but i suppose it's got the benefit of honesty at least....

[Black Dog]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

Teaching kids you have unlimited genders and that you can somehow be born in the wrong body, is ideology.

Its nothing more than a belief system being pushed onto children socially in the west.

Couldn't be any further from fact.

You can't change gender. Its physically impossible.

You can modify genitals to closer align to your gender you feel you were assigned, but that's about it.

Do...do you know what gender is?

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Do...do you know what gender is?

There used to be two.

Activists now make it as such as there are unlimited amounts. 

Name me 15 and I might start to take you seriously. Most freeze after 5.

[Black Dog]

5 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

There used to be two.

Activists now make it as such as there are unlimited amounts. 

Name me 15 and I might start to take you seriously. Most freeze after 5.

What does any of this have to do with your argument that it's physically impossible to change one's gender.

Edited February 20, 2024 by Black Dog

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

 You don't care about the kid, you care about your ideology.  And that's just wrong.

Define this ideology.

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

1. Teaching kids you have unlimited genders and that you can somehow be born in the wrong body, is ideology.

2. Its nothing more than a belief system being pushed onto children socially in the west.

Couldn't be any further from fact.

3. You can't change gender. Its physically impossible.

You can modify genitals to closer align to your gender you feel you were assigned, but that's about it.

4. A vagina that is surgically created, is nothing more than an open wound that requires constant dilation in order not to heal shut. This is far from biology. 

This isn't lost on many with dysphoria, or that reality that no amount of surgery or hormones will change your gender. 

5. Its a mental health issue, so treatment must start there, vs playing pretend, walking on eggshells socially, creating far more anger and vitriol targeting the people you're trying to protect.

6. That matches a definition that you're happy with.

It fits perfectly.

1. No, the idea that gender is a social construct is an idea.  There's nothing else to it.  Whether you agree or not it's an idea.

Ideology just sounds scary to people who don't know English.

2. 3. 4. 5. 6. Irrelevant to whether it's an ideology or not.

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You cannot trust the media. They always get it wrong.

What's likelier, that the media gets everything wrong or that you can't please everyone?

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Even when they're trying to get it right they get it wrong.

Maybe someone simply lied to them. Put yourself in their shoes.

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

I wasn't commenting on your entire quote.  I was commenting on one part of it, specifically the part about you trusting alternative sources more, and not trusting the MSM.  Not only are your alternative sources usually junk, you also post MSM links frequently, thereby suggesting that the MSM is trustworthy enough to repost.  The implication of this is obvious...that the MSM is untrustworthy, unless it's saying something you agree with.  🥴

Oh...you mean the part you omitted...right...