Trump is more popular among Canadians than Trudeau (and what that means)

[CdnFox]

https://archive.ph/N9v08

TLDR -  young people in Canada are flocking to trump and the conservatives here at home as they become more and more angry about the dysfunction caused by the left.

Some Key take aways:

But the surprising popularity of Republican candidate Donald Trump — particularly among Canadian young people — may reveal a turn towards populism that is much larger than expected. 

Trump came in with the unusually high support of 33 per cent of Canadian respondents. 

That’s higher than the current approval rating for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, which the Angus Reid Institute last pegged at 31 per cent. It’s also slightly higher than the percentage by which Trudeau won his last federal election; the Liberals secured their minority government in 2021 with just 32.62 per cent of ballots cast. 

But probably the survey’s most surprising result was that younger Canadians were disproportionately likely to favour Trump over Biden. So much so, in fact, that young Canadian voters emerged as more pro-Trump even than young voters in the U.S. 

And young Canadian men emerged as the single most pro-Trump demographic in the poll. The survey saw a majority (52 per cent) of under-44 Canadian men vote Trump over Biden.

This was higher even than the Trump support found within respondents who identified as Conservatives; those Canadians only picked Trump over Biden in 50 per cent of case.

For months now, polls have shown that young people form the single strongest voter base for the Conservatives under leader Pierre Poilievre.   

 

[I am Groot]

I said at least six years ago that if the Democrats wanted to crush Trump all they had to do was find a strong-seeming ex-military candidate with moderate views. An ex-general or admiral. Preferably white. Trump would have lost so badly last time around he wouldn't even bother complaining and wouldn't have come back this time around.

Just about any such candidate would kick Trump's ass. The problem is the Democrats have Biden, and just about any Republican candidate not named Trump would kick HIS ass.

In terms of federal policy, the only thing really hurting Biden is his inability to control their borders. But Trump couldn't control them either. It's an ongoing issue and the numbers are driven by the conditions down south and the information being passed around about American tolerance at the border. The US ratified the same treaties Canada did about those claiming asylum, though, so unless they're willing to change those laws, and neither party has voiced any interest in doing so, they have to let them in and give them hearings.

It would be a real shame for the US and its allies, not to mention democracy, if a raging incompetent dementia case like Trump gets elected - again. But there's a good chance that will happen, mostly due to the hatred so many have for these identity politics policies.

As for Canadians who like Trump, I can only assume they do so out of hatred for those same policies and utter ignorance about the man and his behaviour while in office.

 

Edited January 15, 2024 by I am Groot

[CdnFox]

27 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

I said at least six years ago that if the Democrats wanted to crush Trump all they had to do was find a strong-seeming ex-military candidate with moderate views. An ex-general or admiral. Preferably white. Trump would have lost so badly last time around he wouldn't even bother complaining and wouldn't have come back this time around.

Just about any such candidate would kick Trump's ass. The problem is the Democrats have Biden, and just about any Republican candidate not named Trump would kick HIS ass.

In terms of federal policy, the only thing really hurting Biden is his inability to control their borders. But Trump couldn't control them either. It's an ongoing issue and the numbers are driven by the conditions down south and the information being passed around about American tolerance at the border. The US ratified the same treaties Canada did about those claiming asylum, though, so unless they're willing to change those laws, and neither party has voiced any interest in doing so, they have to let them in and give them hearings.

It would be a real shame for the US and its allies, not to mention democracy, if a raging incompetent dementia case like Trump gets elected - again. But there's a good chance that will happen, mostly due to the hatred so many have for these identity politics policies.

As for Canadians who like Trump, I can only assume they do so out of hatred for those same policies and utter ignorance about the man and his behaviour while in office.

 

The biggest problem with the dems is they talk about him too much.  IF they had just shut up after he lost the last election, had their papers ignore him, not turned j6 into the attack on pearl harbour, not bothered with all the frivoulous lawsuits and just ignored him then he'd have shrivelled and died.

But during his term they made him to be some sort of evil criminal genious and talked about him night and day and after he lost they couldn't shut up about him for 3 minutes without suing for htis or that or charging him with this or that or saying "he better not run again... ".  

That's kept him in the news and larger than life. If he wins again it will be due in large part to The dems turning him into basically the same kind of lovable terrible supervillian that we all root for pretty much exactly like Godzilla.  I mean, you KNOW he's going to destroy tokyo but you're still kinda rooting for him and secretly think he's pretty cool.....

Edited January 15, 2024 by CdnFox

[I am Groot]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The biggest problem with the dems is they talk about him too much.  IF they had just shut up after he lost the last election, had their papers ignore him, not turned j6 into the attack on pearl harbour, not bothered with all the frivoulous lawsuits and just ignored him then he'd have shrivelled and died.

But during his term they made him to be some sort of evil criminal genious and talked about him night and day and after he lost they couldn't shut up about him for 3 minutes without suing for htis or that or charging him with this or that or saying "he better not run again... ".  

That's kept him in the news and larger than life. If he wins again it will be due in large part to The dems turning him into basically the same kind of lovable terrible supervillian that we all root for pretty much exactly like Godzilla.  I mean, you KNOW he's going to destroy tokyo but you're still kinda rooting for him and secretly think he's pretty cool.....

Trump has been a crook, a liar and a cheat all his life. His employees, his customers, his lawyers, and everyone he ever worked with says the same. He just floated under the radar until he became President. The investigations of his conduct both before and during him being president were inevitable once he became so notorious.

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Trump has been a crook, a liar and a cheat all his life. His employees, his customers, his lawyers, and everyone he ever worked with says the same.

Well when you put it that way, he does seem a bit overqualified for the job 

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  He just floated under the radar until he became President. The investigations of his conduct both before and during him being president were inevitable once he became so notorious.

So in other words the only reason hes being prosecuted for many of these things is because he was/might be president.

Yeah - that's kind of the point many have been making.

They're all corrupt - but traditionally only the most serious of crimes are prosecuted when someone is president or a candidate.  Even bill's rape allegations got brushed under the table.

But trump is also a bit of a weird guy where the dirtier he gets the more people become fascinated with him. He's like al capone. Beloved by all the people - a noble criminal. It's all bull but the image of the noble criminal has been around since robin hood first drew a bow. Everyone loves a bad boy.

So the LAST thing you do is spend all your time TALKING about him and drawing attention. If you do - you play right into his hands. There's a lot of truth to the joke that he's "one indictment away from the presidency".

[Army Guy]

To be real my pet hamster is more popular than justin is right now...and although i have no love for justin, Trump does concern me a lot...and it absolutely impossible to know why he is so popular, are things that bad in the US that He is the best candidate for the job...although i look at justin and ask the same question...why is it we can not find a better PM or president...do we not have any leaders left.

[Legato]

9 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

...do we not have any leaders left.

The snap of two fingers in a gloved hand ended all that.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

To be real my pet hamster is more popular than justin is right now...and although i have no love for justin, Trump does concern me a lot...and it absolutely impossible to know why he is so popular, are things that bad in the US that He is the best candidate for the job...although i look at justin and ask the same question...why is it we can not find a better PM or president...do we not have any leaders left.

PP is a fine leader and will do well for us.

Trump reminds me of Zaphod Beeblebrox from the hitchhiker's guide - he becomes galactic president and nobody thinks he's a good president because he's a thief and  a liar and says and does a lot of bat crap crazy things etc etc.....  But in the end it turns out that the president's REAL job is to distract people from looking at the REAL power running the universe and from that perspective he was one of the most successful presidents in galactic history.

When you look at what trump actually DID his time in office was actually relatively successful. The economy recovered nicely, wages shot up, trade relationships were enhanced in favour of the states, etc etc.   His middle of the night tweets, his fights with the press, the investigations etc. didn't actually have any real impact. So people aren't really afraid of him.

 

[OftenWrong]

12 hours ago, I am Groot said:

rump has been a crook, a liar and a cheat all his life. His employees, his customers, his lawyers, and everyone he ever worked with says the same.

Sounds like presidential material. The people of Iowa don't seem to have a problem. Nominated 'resoundingly'.

As in a sound. Do you hear that sound? is the sound of a liberal weeping. Trump is popular because you people have made such a helluva mess. They've simply had enough of the nonsense. You people need to be bittch-slapped back to common sense.

That's why

fall on your swords

liberalism

die in a fire

[I am Groot]

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Well when you put it that way, he does seem a bit overqualified for the job 

So in other words the only reason hes being prosecuted for many of these things is because he was/might be president.

No, he's being prosecuted because he's a crook. There was a reason Trump didn't have Hillary Clinton prosecuted for whatever the hell it was the Republicans were shrieking about for several years. It's because there was no evidence of a crime. If there had been they'd have prosecuted. Bill Barr said Trump could never quite understand the Justice Department wasn't his own personal legal department like in the Trump organization, where he used to launch SLAP suits at everyone and anyone who challenged him. He wanted to charge people in the same manner.

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Yeah - that's kind of the point many have been making.

They're all corrupt - but traditionally only the most serious of crimes are prosecuted when someone is president or a candidate. 

Traditionally, when a President loses and election he goes away. He doesn't scream about it for four years, refusing to pay any attention to the evidence, producing ZERO evidence of his own, slandering people left and right. Nor does he demand his people go down to Congress and there fight like hell to protect democracy. Nor does he tell them to hang his loyal vice president.

 

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

But trump is also a bit of a weird guy where the dirtier he gets the more people become fascinated with him. He's like al capone. Beloved by all the people - a noble criminal.

No. I just think that decades of right wing media and the towering arrogance and sneers of the Left who have run most public institutions for the last thirty years have produced a populace that simply doesn't care how bad a man he is as long as he'll attack those they hate. And they hate the Democrats and the Liberals and all the others who regarded them as 'fly over states', ie, not worth bothering about, and who look down on anyone who works with their hands and doesn't understand intersectionality.

There's a sizeable portion of his supporters who WANT him to take over, become a dictator, close down liberal news media, and throw them and Democrats and all those effete academics into prison. See Oftenwrong for an example.

Edited January 16, 2024 by I am Groot

[eyeball]

So is it fair to say Trump was always Trudeau's fault?

[I am Groot]

10 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Sounds like presidential material. The people of Iowa don't seem to have a problem. Nominated 'resoundingly'.

As in a sound. Do you hear that sound? is the sound of a liberal weeping. Trump is popular because you people have made such a helluva mess. They've simply had enough of the nonsense. You people need to be bittch-slapped back to common sense.

That's why

fall on your swords

liberalism

die in a fire

I've been a conservative all my life, you ignorant twat. But thank you for supporting what I wrote about some of his supporters not caring about anything but punishing those they think looked down on them, even if it tears their country apart and ends democracy.

[Legato]

15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So is it fair to say Trump was always Trudeau's fault?

A resounding yes LoL.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

No, he's being prosecuted because he's a crook. There was a reason Trump didn't have Hillary Clinton prosecuted for whatever the hell it was the Republicans were shrieking about for several years. It's because there was no evidence of a crime.

 

Utterly not true.  First off - the fbi absoutely recommeded charges for hillary and the team working on it were furious that none were laid - and the head guy got a 'talking to' from comey and told to back down and he reluctantly agreed, shortly after bill ran across the tarmac to talk to the justice (but only talked about their grandkids, not the impending charges, honest).

Then they came up with the 'mens rea' thing when the crime she was accused of doesn't require mens rea. C'mon - it was very clear they were told to let it go because she was a political figure.

And as to trump - it's amazing how all these "Crimes" got discovered now at about the same time and most are being put forward by democrat friendly prosecutors. (and aren't crimes for the most part - they're civil cases).

None of what you said holds water.  I'm not a huge fan of trump but it's PAINFULLY obvious that while there's a few legit cases that deserve court time the vast majority of the lawsuits  are for no better reason than harassment and witch hunting.

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Traditionally, when a President loses and election he goes away. He doesn't scream about it for four years, refusing to pay any attention to the evidence, producing ZERO evidence of his own, slandering people left and right.

And?

Nixon didn't and he came back and won.  THe fact that it doesn't normally happen is not grounds to go after him with specious lawsuits.

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

No. I just think that decades of right wing media and the towering arrogance and sneers of the Left who have run most public institutions for the last thirty years have produced a populace that simply doesn't care how bad a man he is as long as he'll attack those they hate.

There's probably an eleiment of truth to that.  But some (like obama) do run on their 'purity' and can be done in by scandal. Even the limited amout we know about hunter biden has hurt his dad.  Trump however can gargle mud and poop scandal and it only makes him stronger. Muck is his wheelhouse. The dirtier the fight, the stronger he gets.

 

 

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

I've been a conservative all my life, you ignorant twat. But thank you for supporting what I wrote about some of his supporters not caring about anything but punishing those they think looked down on them, even if it tears their country apart and ends democracy.

Yeah I know, you and MH too. You guys musta went to the same high school, or somethin. 

What is tearing the country apart? The Dems when Trump was president, or the Dems after Trump was president?

I'd like to hear you explain that, Mr. twaddle. No you can't. There is not one sensible voice out there, who is willing to call these people what they really are. A bunch of cultural marxists who are on a sucide mission and taking everyone else for the ride.

Now, you wanna stay on that train, see you later. But I say there is nothing gonna fix this shit except for someone just like Trump. That is, someone loud and obnoxious, repugnant to you latter sippers.

That's right, bring us the Ugly American.

[Guest]

14 hours ago, I am Groot said:

but punishing those they think looked down on them, even if it tears their country apart and ends democracy.

So if democrats destroy things, it's democratic? 

The destruction of the nuclear family. Think that's a conservative thing?

The destruction of the pride that used to be unwavering, regarding being American? Now one must bend the knee and be ashamed of just about everything.

There were no new major wars under Trump. 

Economically, the US was thriving.

Whether he rode on his predecessor's momentum is irrelevant. 

People will see him as someone who got stuff done.

Someone unfiltered and who makes no apologies for being the way he is. 

The US is at a crossroad with itself. Apologist behavior is just not going to cut it. Being timid, when facing forces who aren't afraid to use boldness and force.

Trump may not be the best fit for a president, but the onus would be on democrats to show they have someone better to do the job vs trash him and those who support him while bringing nothing new to the table.

Essentially, the equivalent of being parked in a parking lot, and someone reversing out and hitting you.

You're essentially blaming them for the damage.

[I am Groot]

40 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

So if democrats destroy things, it's democratic? 

Culture comes and goes.

40 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

There were no new major wars under Trump. 

Right. There's rarely a war when one side just keeps bowing their heads and shuffling back to let the other do as they choose.

40 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Economically, the US was thriving.

On masses of borrowed money which has caused inflation.

And the economy is still thriving.

40 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

People will see him as someone who got stuff done.

Trump didn't do a damn thing. Pence ran the country, took the meetings, read the briefings, made the day to day decisions, set policy, gave orders and worked congress while fat boy was watching TV, getting into twitter wars with celebrities, and stuffing his face with fried chicken. Trump didn't like doing any actual work and was too dumb to understand how government and economics function anyway. He only liked giving speeches where people cheered him. Whatever policies you think you like from that four year period came from either Pence or McConnel. 

40 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Someone unfiltered and who makes no apologies for being the way he is. 

A bullying, narcissistic incompetent who lusts after his daughter?

 

[I am Groot]

Has there ever been a president in American history whose former

Vice president advises people not to vote for him, saying he puts himself over the Constitution

Attorney General says shouldn't be anywhere near the oval office

First Defence Secretary says not only doesn't try to unite the country but tries to divide it.

Second Defense Secretary says is unfit for office and puts himself before the country

Secretary of state calls a fuking mor0n

National Security Advisor says displayed not only an absence of leadership but anti-leadership

Second National Security Advisor says foreign leaders think is a 'laughing fool'.

Chief of Staff says has nothing but contempt for the rule of law, the constitution, and democracy

White House lawyer (he hired) says relentlessly puts forth claims that are not true

Press secretary says lied constantly and told her to lie and that his people would believe anything he said

[I am Groot]

14 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

What is tearing the country apart? The Dems when Trump was president, or the Dems after Trump was president?

So you're saying he made absolutely no difference to his country being torn up (maybe because he couldn't care less)? Then what makes you think he'll fix anything?

[sharkman]

On 1/15/2024 at 9:56 AM, CdnFox said:

https://archive.ph/N9v08

TLDR -  young people in Canada are flocking to trump and the conservatives here at home as they become more and more angry about the dysfunction caused by the left.

Some Key take aways:

But the surprising popularity of Republican candidate Donald Trump — particularly among Canadian young people — may reveal a turn towards populism that is much larger than expected. 

Trump came in with the unusually high support of 33 per cent of Canadian respondents. 

That’s higher than the current approval rating for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, which the Angus Reid Institute last pegged at 31 per cent. It’s also slightly higher than the percentage by which Trudeau won his last federal election; the Liberals secured their minority government in 2021 with just 32.62 per cent of ballots cast. 

But probably the survey’s most surprising result was that younger Canadians were disproportionately likely to favour Trump over Biden. So much so, in fact, that young Canadian voters emerged as more pro-Trump even than young voters in the U.S. 

And young Canadian men emerged as the single most pro-Trump demographic in the poll. The survey saw a majority (52 per cent) of under-44 Canadian men vote Trump over Biden.

This was higher even than the Trump support found within respondents who identified as Conservatives; those Canadians only picked Trump over Biden in 50 per cent of case.

For months now, polls have shown that young people form the single strongest voter base for the Conservatives under leader Pierre Poilievre.   

 

What Canada needs is a person from outside of the political establishment, the elite power structure, to rise up.  Someone not tainted by existing political parties, like a Preston Manning, who changed the political landscape. 

[I am Groot]

Just now, sharkman said:

What Canada needs is a person from outside of the political establishment, the elite power structure, to rise up.  Someone not tainted by existing political parties, like a Preston Manning, who changed the political landscape. 

Someone intelligent, capable, and somewhat ruthless. And hopefully charismatic.

I unfortunately do not know anyone like that.

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

There's rarely a war when one side just keeps bowing their heads and shuffling back to let the other do as they choose.

Trump used a massive bomb just to take out a terrorist leader. It was obtusely overkill, but totally Trump.

Iran's retaliation spoke volumes. They were extremely cautious. They clearly didn't want to risk escalation.

Kim Jung Un had tough talk. Trump took his a kilometer further, urging Un to be cautious and organize talks to avoid miscalculation. 

Its considered the "Trump effect" for a reason.

31 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

came from either Pence or McConnel. 

Which were really good policies. Trump hired people who got the job done.

32 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

A bullying, narcissistic incompetent who lusts after his daughter?

 The boldest literally describes most in politics.

Incompetent seem to describe western politicians.

Lusting his daughter, or making inappropriate comments about what he would do to her if she wasn't his child?

He has no filter. Its a double edged sword, but refreshing from the lies and avoiding hard questions that is the status quo.

He talks s*** and is brutally honest while lying his way out of trouble.

Most will forgive the latter if he gets the job done.

 

[Moonbox]

14 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Yeah I know, you and MH too. You guys musta went to the same high school, or somethin. 

Dear @I am Groot,

We regret to inform you that your "conservative" membership card has been revoked for the following reason(s):

- Having nuanced opinions on different subjects

- Not approving of Orange-Man, his incoherent tantrums, his conspiracy-peddling and his victim-playing.  

As a result, you are hereby declared a Marxist/socialist, woke Trudeau-lover.  Good luck on the other side of the Wall. 🫡

Sincerely, 

-MAGA

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

He talks s*** and is brutally honest while lying his way out of trouble.

Anyone else see the contradiction here?  🙄

[CdnFox]

Just now, Moonbox said:

Dear @I am Groot,

We regret to inform you that your "conservative" membership card has been revoked for the following reason(s):

- Having nuanced opinions on different subjects

- Not approving of Orange-Man, his incoherent tantrums, his conspiracy-peddling and his victim-playing.  

As a result, you are hereby declared a Marxist/socialist, woke Trudeau-lover.  Good luck on the other side of the Wall. 🫡

Sincerely, 

-MAGA

Awww little moonbeam    Look at you , desperately spreading hatred and division for your liberal masters again   You're so cute when you're all bigoted like that  

[OftenWrong]

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Awww little moonbeam    Look at you , desperately spreading hatred and division for your liberal masters again   You're so cute when you're all bigoted like that  

I thought so too, Didn't mean to hurt his widdle feewings.

Tell him not to worry. Not-So-Groot likes to give it out, so he can also take it. Anywhere he wants. Anytime.

As for him, is like my pappy says. Leftists can call lemons apples if they want, but weknow a tree by its fruits.

Fruiteeeee......