Leftists Just Getting More and More Revolting

[WestCanMan]

18 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Neither Trudeau nor Biden are 'left'.  They're centrist proponents of neoliberalism.

Furthermore, both have achieved a lot of nobel goals, successes and so on... as did Trump, Poilievre, Harper, Martin, Chretien and so on...

The only acceptable binary is that binary thinking is deeply flawed...

If they're considered left by the vast majority of the population, then by definition they are.

Would they deny this:

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Left-wing politics

 

Left-wing politics describes the range of political ideologies that support and seek to achieve social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy as a whole or certain social hierarchies. Wikipedia

Do you mean noble or Nobel? I'm trying to understand that in either context and missing it.

Are you actually saying that Trump achieved something positive", or did you just want to make me fall off my chair?

[WestCanMan]

12 hours ago, Rebound said:

1. The Economy
2. Brought NATO to fully support Ukraine
3. Continually funded Ukraine and provided strategic military leadership.
4. Lead six nations in bombing Houthi rebels.
5. Supports Israel against Hamas, while working tirelessly with other Arab nations to negotiate a peaceful outcome  
6. Huge alternative energy funding program.
7. America output of greenhouse gases dropped substantially in 2023

 

1. Wrong. The economy just trended back towards where it was before covid, but leftist histrionics caused that economic meltdown
2. Zelensky/Biden's Ukraine in NATO policies are precisely what caused that war. This was more of an epic failure than a success story. 
3. Again, if he didn't start the war he wouldn't have had to fund it
4. Sure? 
5. I think that we'd all agree that area of the ME was a much happier place when Trump was POTUS
6. He attacks domestic energy and pimps Chinese green tech/resources
7. La-dee-f'ing-daaa

[Hodad]

3 hours ago, Legato said:

The level of inflation increase has diminished whilst the cost of every day necessities is still on the increase,  Prices  increase at a slower rate but still go up. Your fancy graph only tells a small part of the story.

Or better yet, show a Trump supporter this graph. 

BTW, what are you local hospital visiting hours.

It's fine. Trump supporters do not seem to be able to read graphs or interpret data. But they have very strong feelings anyway.

[Guest]

19 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

There's not a leftist here that can name a positive achievement by Trudeau

He legalized Marijuana.

So people can at least be high as a kite, while looking at their society crumbling around them.

What do I win?

Fine am not a leftist, but I still have earned my stripes. 

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, Rebound said:

Not in America. Wages have out-paced inflation. 

The price of gas in the US is up by 33% from 2019. 

Eggs are up by way more than that. 

Bread went up by 11% and 10% in 2022 and 2023 in the US. That's a jump of more than 21% in just two years, because it's compounded. 

What is cheaper now, to offset the massive increase in the prices of these things that people consume every day? 

Or are you saying that wages really increased by more than 25%? I'm pretty sure they didn't lol. 

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, Perspektiv said:

He legalized Marijuana.

So people can at least be high as a kite, while looking at their society crumbling around them.

What do I win?

Fine am not a leftist, but I still have earned my stripes. 

I'll give you that one.

But you could also argue that, like an unfortunate kid being raised in a slum, our country had to resort to selling drugs.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

our country had to resort to selling drugs.

"If they can't be dumbed down, give them crack." (Like every street pimp probably).

I see so many people who never used to smoke week smoke it and profusely. The stigma is gone.

I can only speak for myself, but I am even more philosophical when high. All I do is think of life and politics. 

Not being high allows me to be happy and do me. Only reason I quit decades ago.

Its sadly his only legacy, other than desperately clinging to power with a growing demographic of people that want him to resign.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

And Biden and Trudeau did that?

Absolutely, although trudeau was the worse of the two. We have a couple of threads on that right now - the banks and economists agree, trudeau's spending and immigration has without a doubt been the primary driving force for inflation, interest rates and in canada severely weakening productivity and quality of life. Biden dodged that - but not the interest/inflation issue (those two go hand in hand). Although biden gets a little of that for allowing the border to get out of control and illegals to flood in. More this last year than all of trump's term.

Thanks for tuning in.

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Dumb enough to believe they "run" the economy and giving more control to the people that actually do will make things better?

Dumb enough to believe they don't control gov't spending and immigration?  LOL - wow, that's pretty dumb

[WestCanMan]

18 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Its sadly his only legacy, other than desperately clinging to power with a growing demographic of people that want him to resign.

This video claims that he was walking in Canada with a 40-person security detail. Canada.

I dunno if the leaders of other countries need that kind of an escort, but in Canada that's sad, if true.

[WestCanMan]

28 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

I see so many people who never used to smoke week smoke it and profusely. The stigma is gone.

I tried it when it was illegal on more than 1 occasion but I've never liked it.

I actually have found edibles useful for pain though. 

I injured my neck and elbow moving some furniture a while back and Advil and Naproxin (iirc) weren't doing anything for me. It was impossible to sleep with the neck pain, I had to try to sleep on a reclining chair and it was intermittent at best. On the 2nd night I ate part of an edible at about 2am and slept for about 5 hrs straight. 

It was an embarrassingly small amount compared to what a chronic user would take, I think I ate 1/2 of the lowest dosage you can get. 10mg or 10 ml or whatever.

I always thought that the pain medication thing was a lark but it's pretty legit. 

[Nationalist]

12 hours ago, Hodad said:

Geez, good thing you checked in with house Republicans rather than economists. 🙄

Yup. Good thing.

[Michael Hardner]

12 hours ago, Hodad said:

It's fine. Trump supporters do not seem to be able to read graphs or interpret data. 

He explained why: they're 'fancy'.

[WestCanMan]

21 hours ago, Hodad said:

It's fine. Trump supporters do not seem to be able to read graphs or interpret data. But they have very strong feelings anyway.

Well, I did have trouble understanding that one graph that says "Proof of COVID Jab Success", that showed deaths going up by 30% in 2022 after 85% of the population was 'double-, triple- and even quadruple-vaccinated' in 2021. 

Somehow you could just never explain that in a way that could be understood. Some part of me always thought that a successful vaccination campaign would make the death count go down instead of up. 

Maybe it's not the graph... Maybe we just disagree on what 'vaccines' do, right, dummy? Maybe get a fancier graph or something. Put hearts on it. 

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Edited January 14, 2024 by WestCanMan

[eyeball]

12 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Some part of me always thought that a successful vaccination campaign would make the death count go down instead of up. 

Maybe it's not the graph...

Maybe it's just you.

Of course the numbers of deaths went up as the epidemic spread, and you can also thank anti-vax beliefs and other COVID misinformation, a contagion spread by word of mouth, for contributing to the increase as well.

COVID misinformation may have caused thousands of deaths in Canada: report

The estimates are conservative because they don’t capture all  the 'flow-on consequences' of misinformation, such as postponed surgeries, the authors say

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/covid-misinformation-thousands-of-deaths-report

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Maybe it's not the graph... Maybe we just disagree on what 'vaccines' do, right, dummy? Maybe get a fancier graph or something. Put hearts on it. 

😇

It's been obvious for some time that you do NOT UNDERSTAND the difference between the performance of viral vaccines and traditional bacterial vaccines, even though attempts have been made to explain it to you.

1. No vaccine prevents infection. They work by giving your immune system a jump start in fighting it once infected, which can APPEAR to prevent infection if the enhanced immune system is highly effective.

2. Viruses mutate at a much faster rate that bacteria. For example, there are hundreds of flu viruses and no one vaccine works for every one.

3. Same, with fewer variants, for COVID.

^This illustrates ONE REASON your reliance on statistics without intimate knowledge of the mechanisms is erroneous.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Maybe it's just you.

Of course the numbers of deaths went up as the epidemic spread, and you can also thank anti-vax beliefs and other COVID misinformation, a contagion spread by word of mouth, for contributing to the increase as well.

COVID misinformation may have caused thousands of deaths in Canada: report

The estimates are conservative because they don’t capture all  the 'flow-on consequences' of misinformation, such as postponed surgeries, the authors say

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/covid-misinformation-thousands-of-deaths-report

Do you think that covid didn't spread in early 2020, when Trudeau was doing nothing about it?

Or 2021?

Who is "report"?

Your article just cites "Report" as it's source. 

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According to the far-ranging report

Again, what "report"? Who's it from?

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Who or what is to blame? A “perfect storm of actors,” Alex Himelfarb, the expert panel’s chair, told a media briefing Wednesday.

Oh, the report that's from "an expert panel", chaired by no less than Alex Himelfarb himself, the esteemed professor of... sociology.

Wait, what? Sociology? Is that like virology, or epidemiology? 

Nope. It has nothing at all to do with the spread of disease. Just human interaction.

He knows that people talked, but he doesn't know if the things that people were saying about the vax were true. His numbers just came right out of his own ass.

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 the politicization of misinformation; and a “multi-decades long decline in trust,” in one another and institutions that were seen in the past to be reliable sources of information, Himelfarab said.

Wait a sec, did he just say something true?

And wouldn't you know it, ^that's^ actually his area of expertise. He nailed that one right on the head.

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a former Clerk of the Privy Council 

Is there anything political about becoming a clerk of the privy council? How does one become the Clerk of the Privy Council when there's a Liberal PM?

Here's a question for the ages:

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As part of their report, Fault Lines, the 13-member panel set out to estimate the effects of COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy. How much faster would uptake have been if there was no misinformation? What did it mean for infections and deaths?

Just exactly whose misinformation are they talking about?

Are we supposed to believe that the vax-hesitant were wrong about a bunch of things?

Was it the vax-h'ers who censored the term Wuhan BSL4 Lab from the internet? Was it V-Hers who tred to pretend that preventing people from flying here from Wuhan wouldn't be a nice first step?

Did we tell Canadians "Covid probably won't affect Canadians all that much" and then suddenly turn the country into Trudeau's own shiny bauble because of covid? Shut down schools? Cancel all outdoor activities? 

Did we say "I don't foresee a time when we will have to have any vaccine mandates" and then throw down a bunch of vaccine mandates 3 weeks later?

Did we say that "The vax will be safe and effective" and then just say "Ignore the Israeli ICU data"? 

Did we shrug off the vax-injured kids who didn't even need the vax, or was that Fauci, Tam and Trudeau?

Did we go from "If you get the vax, you don't need to worry about covid", to just glossing over the fact that thousands upon thousands of multi-vaxed people were dying of covid?

This Himelfarab guy clearly has no f'ing clue where 99% of the "covid disinformation" came from. 

Trudeau, Fauci, Tam et al fed us BS right from the very first second and they still are. 

The vast bulk of what's considered "disinformation" by Himelfarb at al was all true. The vaccines do cause serious harm, and even death, to people who are at absolutely no risk of dying from covid. That's an absolute fact. 

Oh, and look:

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Among the vaccine refusers, 85 per cent believed that vaccine harms are “covered-up”

Vaccine harms absolutely were covered up. I knew about myocarditis and pericarditis long before the vax-Nazis here ever acknowledged it. Why is that? Is that an example of "me being a victim of disinformation", or is it an example of "vaccine harms being covered up"?

 

Right back to square 1, stupid: If the things in your article were all true, and so many extra people got sick as a result of vax-hesitancy, then why were deaths up by so much in 2022? 

That was the question, right, numbnuts?

85% vaxed at the end of 2021, with deaths 30% higher in 2022. 

Is that not the exact opposite of what vaxing 85% of the country was supposed to accomplish? 

If all of that occurred and most of the deaths were among the unvaxed, that would be one thing, but again, more than 85% of covid deaths were among the multi-vaxers. Why don't they mention that?

Buddy, why isn't there a single sentence in there that says "Look how many unvaxed people died! It was so many compared to the vaxed!!!" Why is that not in there?

19,000 people died of cvid in 2022. Shouldn't they be able to say "OMG, and almost all of them were unvaxed!" Or "... and 50% of them were unvaxed!" Or, "... and a disproportionate number of them were unvaxed". Even just that. But everything that they say about covid and vaxes and deaths and the unvaxed and the vaxed completely avoids the question of "WHO THE FORK IS DYING FROM COVID?????"

Your article is a cute blame-fest, but it's not based on any meaningful numbers. Just whatever they pulled out of their own asses.

If I said right now that every single death in 2022 in Canada was because of the vax, do I have any less proof than they provided for their wild claims? 

And over 85% of covid deaths were among the multi-vaxed, so how can all of these infections and deaths be blamed on the unvaxed? Do you think that people sick enough to die of covid are somehow not capable of spreading covid? 

What the hell is this?

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According to their analysis, if those who believed COVID was a hoax had been vaccinated once eligible, over 2.3 million additional people in Canada would have been vaccinated, resulting in roughly 198,000 fewer cases, 13,000 fewer hospitalizations, 3,500 fewer people needing intensive care, $300 million saved in hospital costs and 2,800 fewer deaths.

Their analysis? Based on what? Based on what? The numbers that Pfizer and Moderna promised them?

It sure as f wasn't based on "covid deaths by vax status in Canada", because the multi-vaxed dominate that category. There are literally 6x as many of them. 

 

Here's what you can take to the bank - it's absolute gospel truth despite what you or I or anyone else says: If there weren't millions of unvaxed Canadians, constituting an extremely large sample size which can be compared to the vaxed, then we would never have any way of knowing whether or not the jabs were actually doing anything. 

The vax-Nazis could just tell us every year "OMG, THERE'S A NEW STRAIN OF COVID THAT'S 100X WORSE THAN 2020!!! QUICK, GET THE VAXES BY OCTOBER OR YOU ARE GUARANTEED TO DIE!"

Then the next spring they could just say "Yup, the vaccines saved us all from certain death. Phew! Thank you Pfizer! Thank you Moderna!" and there's no way on earth that we could ever prove that they were wrong, again, for the 200th time in a row.

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

It's been obvious for some time that you do NOT UNDERSTAND the difference between the performance of viral vaccines and traditional bacterial vaccines, even though attempts have been made to explain it to you.

1. No vaccine prevents infection. They work by giving your immune system a jump start in fighting it once infected, which can APPEAR to prevent infection if the enhanced immune system is highly effective.

2. Viruses mutate at a much faster rate that bacteria. For example, there are hundreds of flu viruses and no one vaccine works for every one.

3. Same, with fewer variants, for COVID.

^This illustrates ONE REASON your reliance on statistics without intimate knowledge of the mechanisms is erroneous.

Ya know what's obvious. That you Libbies are in fact...revolting. Repulsive in fact. Not one thing your sleepy old Manchurian leader has done...has resulted in a benefit to anyone. All you nasty little shits have done is tear society apart and cost every single person...including you...dearly. yet do doughnut holes like you care?

Fck nooo...you're proud of the trail of slime you leave behind.

Truly revolting.

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

It's been obvious for some time that you do NOT UNDERSTAND the difference between the performance of viral vaccines and traditional bacterial vaccines, even though attempts have been made to explain it to you.

1. No vaccine prevents infection. They work by giving your immune system a jump start in fighting it once infected, which can APPEAR to prevent infection if the enhanced immune system is highly effective.

2. Viruses mutate at a much faster rate that bacteria. For example, there are hundreds of flu viruses and no one vaccine works for every one.

3. Same, with fewer variants, for COVID.

It's been obvious for some time that you have nothing intelligent to say about anything. 

1. The traditional definition of vaccination that we ALL grew up with, and which was still normal in 2019, contained the phrase "confers immunity to a pathogen".

The flu "shots", I'll say again: "shots", were never compared to vaccines by the majority of people because they just added protection to things that weren't lethal in the first place and in most cases they never worked at all. 

2. Whoopty doo dah... If the covid vaccine was a safe vaccine we wouldn't be arguing about this. We'd both have it and you'd be lying about Trump instead of jabs right now.

3. Whatever???

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^This illustrates ONE REASON your reliance on statistics without intimate knowledge of the mechanisms is erroneous.

My reliance on the most important statistics of all makes total sense.

You rely on phantom stats, mostly from the drug manufacturers themselves, and you need to completely ignore the death stats because they blow your narrative apart. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

The vax-Nazis could just tell us every year "OMG, THERE'S A NEW STRAIN OF COVID THAT'S 100X WORSE THAN 2020!!! QUICK, GET THE VAXES BY OCTOBER OR YOU ARE GUARANTEED TO DIE!"

Then the next spring they could just say "Yup, the vaccines saved us all from certain death. Phew! Thank you Pfizer! Thank you Moderna!" and there's no way on earth that we could ever prove that they were wrong, again, for the 200th time in a row.

Sure there is, although this is definitely more a case of simply proving yourself wrong. As you can plainly see they didn't save us all at all. Probably saved lots nonetheless.

You've permanently cemented yourself into a fallacy of misplaced concreteness of your own fabrication.

Latest COVID-19 numbers (Last data update January 9, 2024, 11 am ET)

Weekly change in cases

10,167

Total cases

4,891,249

Weekly change in deaths

79

Total deaths

57,274

Weekly tests reported

45,408

Weekly percent positivity

15.7%

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/

Edited January 15, 2024 by eyeball

[Legato]

On 1/13/2024 at 6:20 PM, Hodad said:

It's fine. Trump supporters do not seem to be able to read graphs or interpret data. But they have very strong feelings anyway.

That's a surprise, didn't know you was a trump supporter.

[Legato]

13 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

He explained why: they're 'fancy'.

You talkin' about your pants?

[Hodad]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Well, I did have trouble understanding that one graph that says "Proof of COVID Jab Success", that showed deaths going up by 30% in 2022 after 85% of the population was 'double-, triple- and even quadruple-vaccinated' in 2021. 

Somehow you could just never explain that in a way that could be understood. Some part of me always thought that a successful vaccination campaign would make the death count go down instead of up. 

Maybe it's not the graph... Maybe we just disagree on what 'vaccines' do, right, dummy? Maybe get a fancier graph or something. Put hearts on it. 

😇

Agreed, you did have trouble understanding. Efficacy is not measured by simple counting, but by incidence outcome. Apples to apples, how much does an intervention change the outcomes of incidents?

Again, by your silly "logic" the fact that the number of traffic fatalities has gone up every year since seat belts were introduced means that seat belts don't save lives. The deaths are going up! 

Alas, it's a pretty simple concept, so if you can't grasp it, I don't think cartoon hearts will help you.

[Nationalist]

8 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Agreed, you did have trouble understanding. Efficacy is not measured by simple counting, but by incidence outcome. Apples to apples, how much does an intervention change the outcomes of incidents?

Again, by your silly "logic" the fact that the number of traffic fatalities has gone up every year since seat belts were introduced means that seat belts don't save lives. The deaths are going up! 

Alas, it's a pretty simple concept, so if you can't grasp it, I don't think cartoon hearts will help you.

You have zero credibility when you speak of logic.

Grasp that.

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

That's a surprise, didn't know you was a trump supporter.

That probably seemed cleverer in your head. 🙄

[Hodad]

2 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

You have zero credibility when you speak of logic.

Grasp that.

You simply aren't equipped to judge. You watch these "debates" like a dog watches TV. As long as you're entertained and don't chew the furniture, no harm done.