US president could have a rival assassinated and not be criminally prosecuted, Trump’s lawyer argues

[BeaverFever]

US president could have a rival assassinated and not be criminally prosecuted, Trump’s lawyer argues

 

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Former president Donald Trump’s lawyer argued that presidential immunity would cover the U.S. president ordering political rivals to be assassinated by SEAL Team Six. 

During a hearing at a federal appeals court on Tuesday, Trump’s lead lawyer John Sauer made a sweeping argument for executive immunity, essentially saying that only a president who has been impeached and removed from office by Congress could be criminally prosecuted. Therefore, Sauer argued, the former president should be shielded from criminal prosecution.

One of the judges asked Sauer: “Could a president who ordered SEAL Team 6 to assassinate a political rival, and is not impeached, would he be subject to criminal prosecution?”

Sauer responded: “If he were impeached and convicted first... there is a political process that would have to occur.”

The court is considering an appeal in Trump’s election obstruction case after the trial judge already rejected these same arguments about the scope of presidential immunity. 

Assistant special counsel James Pearce urged the panels of judges to reject Trump’s argument. “Never in our nation’s history until this case has a president claimed that immunity from criminal prosecution extends beyond his time in office,” he told the court. All three of the judges expressed skepticism about Trump’s legal argument, repeatedly grilling his lawyer on the immunity claims.

The outcome of the arguments is expected to have major implications for Trump’s 2024 bid.

https://www.semafor.com/article/01/09/2024/trump-immunity-hearing-president-assassinate-rival-not-prosecuted

[Michael Hardner]

And yet, Biden can and will be prosecuted when he leaves office...

[Hodad]

Trump is mercurial, but the one constant amidst the chaos is that he consistently hires the worst, batshit crazy lawyers.

[eyeball]

18 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

And yet, Biden can and will be prosecuted when he leaves office...

Not unless he orders Trump's assassination first.

[Michael Hardner]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Not unless he orders Trump's assassination first.

I think that that's called Checks and Balances... 😃

[robosmith]

I think it would have been really funny to see the look on Trump's face if Seal Team 6 had marched into the courtroom with their weapons ready during that argument about them assassinating Biden's political rival.

[Rebound]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

Not unless he orders Trump's assassination first.

Trump’s lawyer says Biden should be prosecuted for prosecuting Trump.

Don’t you love the logic? PRESIDENT Biden should be prosecuted because ex-President Trump has immunity from prosecution. 

[Deluge]

13 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

US president could have a rival assassinated and not be criminally prosecuted, Trump’s lawyer argues

 

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Former president Donald Trump’s lawyer argued that presidential immunity would cover the U.S. president ordering political rivals to be assassinated by SEAL Team Six. 

During a hearing at a federal appeals court on Tuesday, Trump’s lead lawyer John Sauer made a sweeping argument for executive immunity, essentially saying that only a president who has been impeached and removed from office by Congress could be criminally prosecuted. Therefore, Sauer argued, the former president should be shielded from criminal prosecution.

One of the judges asked Sauer: “Could a president who ordered SEAL Team 6 to assassinate a political rival, and is not impeached, would he be subject to criminal prosecution?”

Sauer responded: “If he were impeached and convicted first... there is a political process that would have to occur.”

The court is considering an appeal in Trump’s election obstruction case after the trial judge already rejected these same arguments about the scope of presidential immunity. 

Assistant special counsel James Pearce urged the panels of judges to reject Trump’s argument. “Never in our nation’s history until this case has a president claimed that immunity from criminal prosecution extends beyond his time in office,” he told the court. All three of the judges expressed skepticism about Trump’s legal argument, repeatedly grilling his lawyer on the immunity claims.

The outcome of the arguments is expected to have major implications for Trump’s 2024 bid.

https://www.semafor.com/article/01/09/2024/trump-immunity-hearing-president-assassinate-rival-not-prosecuted

It's a simple matter of election interference. Everyone knows this a witch hunt, but leftoids don't give a shit, they just want their political opponent out of the race. 

[Guest]

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

Not unless he orders Trump's assassination first.

Two birds with one stone.

Cheaper than litigation and service protection.

Am totally kidding, I don't need my computer bugged by the FBI.

[Rebound]

5 minutes ago, Deluge said:

It's a simple matter of election interference. Everyone knows this a witch hunt, but leftoids don't give a shit, they just want their political opponent out of the race. 

And yet… no other Republican leader faces prosecution. 

[Deluge]

5 minutes ago, Rebound said:

And yet… no other Republican leader faces prosecution. 

Yet. 

But the minute another Republican steps out of line, you can bet your ass that all kinds of manufactured bullshit will surface. This comment's for you, Vivek Ramaswamy. 

[Rebound]

11 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Yet. 

But the minute another Republican steps out of line, you can bet your ass that all kinds of manufactured bullshit will surface. This comment's for you, Vivek Ramaswamy. 

Yes, I certainly hope that the minute another Republican breaks the law, he will be charged with the crimes he or she committed. As you know, Senator Menendez is being charged with serious crimes and so is George Santos. One is a Democrat and the other Republican. And the President’s son has been indicted. As they should be. 

You don’t hear a bunch of Democrats whining about Robert Menendez being politically persecuted. 

Let me point out something to you about Donald Trump which you probably do not realize: Every single time he is accused of wrongdoing, he immediately makes the exact same claim about the person accusing him. Every Single Time, and you haven’t figured it out. 

Edited January 10, 2024 by Rebound

[Deluge]

8 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Yes, I certainly hope that the minute another Republican breaks the law,

You mean pisses off the Left. 

I'm sorry, Rebound, I can't let you continue your drivel without holding you accountable for your words. The minute you politically charged actvists start misusing the law, is when we have no choice but to cut you off and throw your secret motives back in your faces. 

This is a political witch hunt, not an honest pursuit of justice. 

 

Edited January 10, 2024 by Deluge

[CdnFox]

14 hours ago, eyeball said:

Not unless he orders Trump's assassination first.

Unless he's impeached for it.

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

Yet. 

But the minute another Republican steps out of line, you can bet your ass that all kinds of manufactured bullshit will surface. This comment's for you, Vivek Ramaswamy. 

You think the Democrats are keeping the other republicans “in line”? LMAO

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

You mean pisses off the Left. 

I'm sorry, Rebound, I can't let you continue your drivel without holding you accountable for your words. The minute you politically charged actvists start misusing the law, is when we have no choice but to cut you off and throw your secret motives back in your faces. 

This is a political witch hunt, not an honest pursuit of justice. 

 

Prove ^this. You CANNOT.

"the Left" didn't indict Trump, that was a Grand Jury. Duh

[Deluge]

18 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

You think the Democrats are keeping the other republicans “in line”? LMAO

Leftism is keeping everyone in line. It's just that the democrats are a lot more receptive to it.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

Every single time he is accused of wrongdoing, he immediately makes the exact same claim about the person accusing him. Every Single Time, and you haven’t figured it out. 

He's a narssissist. That's classic covert narssissist behavior. 

[Deluge]

6 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Prove ^this.

The Colorado SC already has. They proved it the moment they let Trump back on their ballot. They know that Trump isn't an insurrectionist and they also know the SCOTUS would rule in Trump's favor, but like good little radicals, they pushed the notion anyways to see how far they could go. 

[robosmith]

2 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

He's a narssissist. That's classic covert narssissist behavior. 

Not much covert about Trump's behavior. Except perhaps his TRUE MOTIVES.

1 minute ago, Deluge said:

The Colorado SC already has. They proved it the moment they let Trump back on their ballot. They know that Trump isn't an insurrectionist and they also know the SCOTUS would rule in Trump's favor, but like good little radicals, they pushed the notion anyways to see how far they could go. 

Nope. They proved that the schedule didn't allow any flexibility.

[Deluge]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

Not much covert about Trump's behavior. Except perhaps his TRUE MOTIVES.

Trump is harmless compared to the left-wing lunatics which is about 90% of the DNC. 

[Deluge]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Nope. They proved that the schedule didn't allow any flexibility.

Nope, they proved that TDS is alive and well in Colorado. 

[robosmith]

9 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Trump is harmless compared to the left-wing lunatics which is about 90% of the DNC. 

You believe that declaring to be a "dictator on day one" is "harmless." That is INSANE.

8 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Nope, they proved that TDS is alive and well in Colorado. 

YOU haven't proved jack shit. All you got is deranged OPINIONS.

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, Deluge said:

You mean pisses off the Left. 

I'm sorry, Rebound, I can't let you continue your drivel without holding you accountable for your words. The minute you politically charged actvists start misusing the law, is when we have no choice but to cut you off and throw your secret motives back in your faces. 

This is a political witch hunt, not an honest pursuit of justice. 

 

Dude,

Conviction of crime based on Federal law and Evidence of the crime judged by a jury, with full public disclosure and right of appeal.  
 

This is really f-ing simple: You are evil, and you are lying to defend convicted criminals. You have not bothered to learn what laws these people broke, what evidence the jury saw, and what reason you have to prove their innocence, even though it’s all public record.  

IOW, you don’t know what the F you’re talking about at all, you’re just blabbering that criminals are innocent because they’re on your “team.” 

There’s good guys and bad guys, and you’re one of the bad guys. Simple as that.  I’m not claiming that hundreds of convicted criminals are innocent, you are, evil one. 

Edited January 10, 2024 by Rebound

[Deluge]

6 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You believe that declaring to be a "dictator on day one" is "harmless." That is INSANE.

YOU haven't proved jack shit. All you got is deranged OPINIONS.

You didn't listen to Trump's definition of a dictator. That is STOOOOPID.

I've proven that you suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome. Now go take your pills. 

3 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Dude,

Conviction of crime based on Federal law and Evidence of the crime judged by a jury,

Dude, 

The courts are corrupt. It's a political witch hunt, nothing more.