Nationalist Posted December 20, 2023 Report Posted December 20, 2023 Hmmm... Quote Climate science should be less political, while climate policies should be more scientific. In particular, scientists should emphasize that their modeling output is not the result of magic: computer models are human-made. What comes out is fully dependent on what theoreticians and programmers have put in: hypotheses, assumptions, relationships, parameterizations, stability constraints, etc. Unfortunately, in mainstream climate science most of this input is undeclared. To believe the outcome of a climate model is to believe what the model makers have put in. This is precisely the problem of today’s climate discussion to which climate models are central. Climate science has degenerated into a discussion based on beliefs, not on sound self-critical science. We should free ourselves from the naïve belief in immature climate models. In the future, climate research must give significantly more emphasis to empirical science. https://clintel.org/world-climate-declaration/ The entire article is rather scarring to the Climate Cultists but...it what it is...or is not in this case. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Rebound Posted December 20, 2023 Report Posted December 20, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: Hmmm... The entire article is rather scarring to the Climate Cultists but...it what it is...or is not in this case. Says a “foundation” funded by one guy, and run by a man who worked for Shell Oil for thirty-one years. Hardly unbiased. https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.32HG6HR The Oil and Coal industry funds this non-scientific, lying nonsense and they are laughing their asses off at you for believing it: ”Dark Money” Funds Climate Change Denial Effort “The amount of money flowing through third-party, pass-through foundations like DonorsTrust and Donors Capital, whose funding cannot be traced, has risen dramatically over the past five years. In all, 140 foundations funneled $558 million to almost 100 climate denial organizations from 2003 to 2010. Meanwhile the traceable cash flow from more traditional sources, such as Koch Industries and ExxonMobil, has disappeared.” Edited December 20, 2023 by Rebound Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
CdnFox Posted December 20, 2023 Report Posted December 20, 2023 56 minutes ago, Rebound said: Says a “foundation” funded by one guy, and run by a man who worked for Shell Oil for thirty-one years. Hardly unbiased. https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.32HG6HR The Oil and Coal industry funds this non-scientific, lying nonsense and they are laughing their asses off at you for believing it: ”Dark Money” Funds Climate Change Denial Effort “The amount of money flowing through third-party, pass-through foundations like DonorsTrust and Donors Capital, whose funding cannot be traced, has risen dramatically over the past five years. In all, 140 foundations funneled $558 million to almost 100 climate denial organizations from 2003 to 2010. Meanwhile the traceable cash flow from more traditional sources, such as Koch Industries and ExxonMobil, has disappeared.” Should be easy to refute then right? Point out where he's wrong. IF you can't, if all you can do is try to discredit it by insinuation and source dismissal... you've got a pretty serious problem. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Nationalist Posted December 20, 2023 Report Posted December 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Rebound said: Says a “foundation” funded by one guy, and run by a man who worked for Shell Oil for thirty-one years. Hardly unbiased. https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.32HG6HR The Oil and Coal industry funds this non-scientific, lying nonsense and they are laughing their asses off at you for believing it: ”Dark Money” Funds Climate Change Denial Effort “The amount of money flowing through third-party, pass-through foundations like DonorsTrust and Donors Capital, whose funding cannot be traced, has risen dramatically over the past five years. In all, 140 foundations funneled $558 million to almost 100 climate denial organizations from 2003 to 2010. Meanwhile the traceable cash flow from more traditional sources, such as Koch Industries and ExxonMobil, has disappeared.” As opposed to what? Government funded "science"? The only people being openly laughed at, are all the twits who scream 'The Sky Is Falling!' yet cannot prove there is any global crisis. Or even a local crisis. Just impose all sorts of dumb-ass rules, watch the cost of heating and transport go wild, and tell everyone, 'It ith for your own good!' Its limp as a worm and as I said...hilariously laughable. But hey...being wrong is your thing so...you go girl! Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
eyeball Posted December 20, 2023 Report Posted December 20, 2023 4 hours ago, Nationalist said: Denial has degenerated into a discussion based on beliefs, not on sound self-critical science. FIFY. And in reality the only science denialism has ever been based on is political. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted December 20, 2023 Report Posted December 20, 2023 40 minutes ago, eyeball said: FIFY. And in reality the only science denialism has ever been based on is political. Oh look - eyeball is losing a fight so he's got to false quote people and argue against something they didn't' say. Quelle suprise. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Nationalist Posted December 20, 2023 Report Posted December 20, 2023 (edited) 52 minutes ago, eyeball said: FIFY. And in reality the only science denialism has ever been based on is political. Why is it you Libbies insist on changing other's thoughts to suit you? Man is cheating and warping things that easy for you all? No wonder "Dweeb" suits y'all so well. Anyway... No...I don't see it that way...completely. Somewhat yes. But not completely. You have an old pair of shoes. The sole is floppy and the backs are broken. Do you throw them out and walk barefoot? Or do you go buy a new pair of shoes and then throw the old ones out? Our current fossil fuel consumption is quite clean thanks to technological improvements. There's not a lot we can do to make any difference to the carbon content of the atmosphere. You could advocate for forcing new tech on India, China and the like. But you won't 'cause...why? Your actions are based on habitually faulty data, personal beliefs, windmills and mirrors. They cost ALL of us and both your actions and arguments do not hold up to basic scrutiny. Now...go buy a new pair o' shoes. Edited December 20, 2023 by Nationalist 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Aristides Posted December 20, 2023 Report Posted December 20, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Nationalist said: As opposed to what? Government funded "science"? The only people being openly laughed at, are all the twits who scream 'The Sky Is Falling!' yet cannot prove there is any global crisis. Or even a local crisis. Just impose all sorts of dumb-ass rules, watch the cost of heating and transport go wild, and tell everyone, 'It ith for your own good!' Its limp as a worm and as I said...hilariously laughable. But hey...being wrong is your thing so...you go girl! No one is screaming The Sky is Falling. That is all you have for an argument. Sure they use computer models to make predictions, but the temperature, ice measurements and sea level data being fed into them is not fiction. Better than you just pulling stuff out of your ass and calling people names. Edited December 20, 2023 by Aristides Quote
eyeball Posted December 20, 2023 Report Posted December 20, 2023 51 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Oh look - eyeball is losing a fight so he's got to false quote people and argue against something they didn't' say. Quelle suprise. Oh look - dingle-nuts is having a hissy fit about arguing against something people didn't say. LMAO! Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted December 20, 2023 Report Posted December 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: Oh look - dingle-nuts is having a hissy fit about arguing against something people didn't say. LMAO! Sure - pointing out you're a liar is me having a hissy fit' And you literally just admitted you're arguing against things people didn't say "CDN FOX is commenting on how i'm lying and fake-quoteing people!! Ha!!" Umm.... yeah , kid... that's not making you look better Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted December 20, 2023 Report Posted December 20, 2023 45 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Why is it you Libbies insist on changing other's thoughts to suit you? With an obvious FIFY qualifier to indicate a sarcastic reply to a sarcastic comment? Why is it you muffins get so tender and flaky when that happens? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted December 20, 2023 Report Posted December 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: And you literally just admitted you're arguing against things people didn't say Well you better call a Waaaambulance to come put your blown up head back together again. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
robosmith Posted December 20, 2023 Author Report Posted December 20, 2023 23 hours ago, Aristides said: You don't need college physics or chemistry to understand this. He would need them to prove it's not having the effects claimed by climate scientists. Quote
robosmith Posted December 20, 2023 Author Report Posted December 20, 2023 19 hours ago, Nationalist said: Bullshit! A cancer victim hurts himself. You dizzy fcks hurt everyone. Just cause you don't understand how driving a gas guzzler hurts everyone, does not mean it's not happening. Until you prove the physics involved in GHG based atmospheric warming is erroneous.... Quote
robosmith Posted December 20, 2023 Author Report Posted December 20, 2023 8 hours ago, Nationalist said: Dweebles...its your rhetoric and panic that is in question here. If you believe the climate is an emergency that warrants all the economic and social harm these greenie policies are causing...prove it or go home. The best climate scientist could not prove it to you cause you don't have the scientific literacy to understand the evidence. IF you did, you could read the peer reviewed research in the climate science journals and learn it yourself. Quote
CdnFox Posted December 20, 2023 Report Posted December 20, 2023 26 minutes ago, eyeball said: With an obvious FIFY qualifier to indicate a sarcastic reply to a sarcastic comment? Why is it you muffins get so tender and flaky when that happens? Bullshit. the only thing obvious is that you felt the need to lie about what someone else said so you'd have something to argue with considering your first points were bollox. It doesn't upset me - we're ALL used to you lying like a sack of crap. It's just worth pointing out. 26 minutes ago, eyeball said: Well you better call a Waaaambulance to come put your blown up head back together again. LOL - i'm sure that pretending anyone gets upset or is surprised when you lie somehow makes you feel better But it's really not the case 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted December 20, 2023 Report Posted December 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, CdnFox said: It doesn't upset me - we're ALL used to you lying like a sack of crap. It's just worth pointing out. Sure muffin....whatever you say. ? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Nationalist Posted December 20, 2023 Report Posted December 20, 2023 33 minutes ago, eyeball said: With an obvious FIFY qualifier to indicate a sarcastic reply to a sarcastic comment? Why is it you muffins get so tender and flaky when that happens? It's called "honour". Check the dictionary. 1 2 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
CdnFox Posted December 20, 2023 Report Posted December 20, 2023 1 minute ago, eyeball said: Sure muffin....whatever you say. ? LOL and if you don't like what I say you'll just lie about what i said anyway Sorry kid - you faking what others say and lying is just not exciting, Like i said it's what people expect from you 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: It's called "honour". Check the dictionary. HIs dictionary may be missing that page. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Michael Hardner Posted December 20, 2023 Report Posted December 20, 2023 12 minutes ago, robosmith said: The best climate scientist could not prove it to you cause you don't have the scientific literacy to understand the evidence. IF you did, you could read the peer reviewed research in the climate science journals and learn it yourself. 1. CO2 is a greenhouse gas that causes temperatures to rise. 2. Humans are producing record amounts of CO2. 3. Temperatures are going up correlated to that increase. Ergo, humans are causing Climate Change. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Nationalist Posted December 20, 2023 Report Posted December 20, 2023 17 minutes ago, robosmith said: Just cause you don't understand how driving a gas guzzler hurts everyone, does not mean it's not happening. Until you prove the physics involved in GHG based atmospheric warming is erroneous.... Yet you assume a crisis and cannot provide proof its a crisis. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Legato Posted December 20, 2023 Report Posted December 20, 2023 19 minutes ago, robosmith said: JUntil you prove the physics involved in GHG based atmospheric warming is erroneous.... Is it you who keeps leaving the greenhouse door open and letting all gas out? If you need I have a large fan to help blow all the gas back into the greenhouse. PS Put a lock on the door. Quote
Nationalist Posted December 20, 2023 Report Posted December 20, 2023 Just now, Michael Hardner said: 1. CO2 is a greenhouse gas that causes temperatures to rise. 2. Humans are producing record amounts of CO2. 3. Temperatures are going up correlated to that increase. Ergo, humans are causing Climate Change. Yes but... 1. Is anything we do here, making a difference? Or are we wasting potential for "vapourware"? 2. Why force the cost of power up, when a reliable replacement is not yet available? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Nationalist Posted December 20, 2023 Report Posted December 20, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, robosmith said: The best climate scientist could not prove it to you cause you don't have the scientific literacy to understand the evidence. IF you did, you could read the peer reviewed research in the climate science journals and learn it yourself. Dopey...I've read numerous reports. They all conclusively say...it might be...it appears to be imminent...could be... And most are based on models that are asinine. Very subjective. Shit in...shit out. Edited December 20, 2023 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Nationalist Posted December 20, 2023 Report Posted December 20, 2023 13 minutes ago, CdnFox said: LOL and if you don't like what I say you'll just lie about what i said anyway Sorry kid - you faking what others say and lying is just not exciting, Like i said it's what people expect from you HIs dictionary may be missing that page. Which is sad. It's becoming acceptable to lie and cheat. A detestable path to follow. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
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