A Catastrophic Climate ‘Tipping Point’ Is Imminent

taxme · December 28, 2023

On 12/22/2023 at 5:31 PM, Aristides said:

We know you don't give a shit about the climate, that is obvious.

People should be practicing what they preach but people like you make it easy for them not too. Your ignorance is their biggest ally.

I drive a fossil fuel vehicle as well. I haven't jumped on the EV bandwagon yet but would seriously be looking at PHEV's if shopping for a new vehicle.

Why should i give a shit about the climate when the climate has been around and has been changing the planet since time began. Where is the need for me to get into a state of panic like you appear to be doing?

The earth has gone thru tens of thousands of fires, floods, volcano eruptions, earthquakes and other climatic events since time began, but yet here we are, still here and thriving. So, just go away with your climate change nonsense bull crap. Only fools will you will get themselves all upset and in a panic over some flood or fire happening somewhere on earth. There is probably a very good reason for those things to be happening. I like to call it mother earth changing and rearranging the earths geography and scenery.

Just how do people like me make it easy for people to do what they want to do or not to do? Why would anyone listen to me? I believe that you are the ignorant one here, and stunned at that, because it is you that still believes in climate change. So, can you tell me as to what climate change is and has been doing to your nonsense life?

It is the billionaire globalist elite like Al Gore and Leonardo Decrapio who meet every year and discuss climate change, but yet, the things that they say are causing climate change is something that they do not practice. They are the ones that keep trying to push this climate crisis nonsense. Yet, they still fly around in their private jets and their big gas guzzling vehicles and yachts and own a number of homes.

I prefer to stick with my fossil fuel vehicle to get around. It is the only way to go. EV's will soon be going by the way of the dodo bird. Nobody is buying them anymore. There are supposed to be hundreds of thousands of those EV' s sitting on dealership parking lots and nobody buying them. I just spoke to a person that i know that told me that is daughter just traded her EV for a fossil fuel vehicle. I wonder why she would do that?

Maybe it is because she found out that they are not all that great and reliable as we have been told. EV;s may be okay for the city, but way out in the boonies, i don't think that they will be all that great. Workers working on mining sites do not want anything to do with EV's. Not practical or reliable. I say, long live the fossil fuel vehicles. Works for me. LOL.

taxme · December 28, 2023

On 12/23/2023 at 9:26 AM, WestCanMan said:

Global warmingcooling is real!

If you don't want to die in one of the global warming floodfires that herbie foresaw, you need to vote for AOC, Trudeau AND Biden.

Luckily it's easier than you think. Just grab a local phonebook and go from polling station to polling station in the areas where voter ID is verboten, and pretend to be anyone with a white-supremacist-sounding name. Use up their votes before they get there.

According to all the top scientists in the world, and all of the REAL media outlets (not called Fox News) it's almost too late. This is a real photo from the South Pole yesterday:

You know it's bad when all of the earth's remaining penguins are standing on sand wearing sunglasses.

Look at this other photo called "Penguin Experiences Rain for the First Time Ever: The Last Pieces of Antarctic Ice". It's not photoshopped:

Once those last few bits of the ice sheet in his glass are gone, there will never be any more.

The evidence is all around you. Top geniuses like AOC, GREAT GRETA, and My Neighbour's Kid agree.

I just love those penguin looking sunglasses. They look cool or should i say warm? LOL. Wear can i get one of those cool, pardon the pun, cool looking glasses? At the penguin sunglasses store in the desert by chance? Just asking.

taxme · December 28, 2023

On 12/22/2023 at 8:23 PM, robosmith said:

Not everyone wealthy enough to have their own jet is the "globalists billionaires" you imagine are "are the ones involved in pushing that there is a climate crisis going on." Where do you even get these stories that you post?

Some actually buy carbon offsets to make flying their jets carbon neutral. Do you even know how that works?

They invest in low carbon producing technologies and pay for their use elsewhere.

Because unlike you, I understand the mechanism (AKA, science) which explains how CO2 warms the planet.

Do you understand why it's called GreenHouse Gas?

Climate Depot is headed by a "reporter," AKA PR propagandist, like Al Gore, NOT a scientist.

Of course, Al Gore was a student of a famous climate scientist and pioneer of global warming studies named Dr. Roger Revelle, so I'm sure Gore knows much more about the science than the propagandist Marc Morano. Some of us know how Morano became a "climate researcher" without a PhD. LMAO AKA, he read papers. One sided, of course.

Now we know where you get your fantasy stories. LMAO

I get those stories from the alternative media. You know the alternative media that gives us all the other side of the story. The billionaire globalists get to push their climate crisis agenda because they own pretty much all of our puppet on a string politicians and they do own just about all of the MSM. When one owns and controls those two mentioned, it is not hard for them to be able to use and push their globalist own agenda. Where did you get your brains from anyway?

Okay, i will bite. Just how does a globalist that flies a fossil fuel private jet is able to avoid spewing carbon into the atmosphere?

As far as i know, it does take carbon in the air to help grow trees and plants, which in turn, gives off oxygen for people like you and me to be able to breathe and live. I have no problem with the earth warming up by a few degrees. Bring it on, Greta. LOL

So, It will be 30 below zero today in the Arctic, but tomorrow, it will be warming up to warm 28 below zero in the Arctic. I can picture a big melt of ice going to happen here. But then, i always was told that 32F was the melting point for ice? I am baffled now. 😀But i am pretty sure that you will un baffle me. 😇

robosmith · December 28, 2023

1 hour ago, taxme said:

You really are a brainless wonder. First of all, I have always said that i could careless, nor fear, as to what is going on with the weather around the world. I am not terrified by it. You got that now?

That's because you're completely IGNORANT about the science AND the catastrophes that are already happening.

Glaciers that millions depend upon for their fresh water are DISAPPEARING.

1 hour ago, taxme said:

Mark Marano from his website called Climate Depot will give you the other side if the climate story, if you dare to try it out sometime. I promise Mark will not bite you. Try learning something new for a change.

I do not make up shit, but you certainly do that. 😛

You listen to made up propaganda from a PR hack that also knows NOTHING about the science.

Aristides · December 28, 2023

Marano is a right wing political aid who used to work for Rush Limbaugh. His degree is in political science. Who collects his data and what scientific models does he use? Why do you reject real scientists and buy into these political hacks who have no scientific background at all?

You really are a useful fool for these shysters.

robosmith · December 28, 2023

15 minutes ago, taxme said:

I get those stories from the alternative media. You know the alternative media that gives us all the other side of the story. The billionaire globalists get to push their climate crisis agenda because they own pretty much all of our puppet on a string politicians and they do own just about all of the MSM. When one owns and controls those two mentioned, it is not hard for them to be able to use and push their globalist own agenda. Where did you get your brains from anyway?

I got my brains from my Dad, and my knowledge of science from taking science classes in HS, college and GRAD SCHOOL.

15 minutes ago, taxme said:

Okay, i will bite. Just how does a globalist that flies a fossil fuel private jet is able to avoid spewing carbon into the atmosphere?

Offsets, as I already explained, are invested in CO2 REDUCTION tech equipment USED ELSEWHERE.

15 minutes ago, taxme said:

As far as i know, it does take carbon in the air to help grow trees and plants, which in turn, gives off oxygen for people like you and me to be able to breathe and live. I have no problem with the earth warming up by a few degrees. Bring it on, Greta. LOL

Already happening is millions of people around the world are LOSING their FRESH WATER SOURCES.

And that's just the tip of the disappearing ice bergs.

15 minutes ago, taxme said:

So, It will be 30 below zero today in the Arctic, but tomorrow, it will be warming up to warm 28 below zero in the Arctic. I can picture a big melt of ice going to happen here. But then, i always was told that 32F was the melting point for ice? I am baffled now. 😀But i am pretty sure that you will un baffle me. 😇

Maybe you should check actual temperatures in the Arctic instead of just making up BULLSHIT.

Here's a clue: it actually gets much warmer than you've GUESSED in the Arctic.

Edited December 28, 2023 by robosmith

Aristides · December 28, 2023

The Arctic is actually warming at a greater rate than anywhere else on earth.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-022-00498-3

taxme · December 29, 2023

On 12/27/2023 at 5:17 PM, Aristides said:

Marano is a right wing political aid who used to work for Rush Limbaugh. His degree is in political science. Who collects his data and what scientific models does he use? Why do you reject real scientists and buy into these political hacks who have no scientific background at all?

You really are a useful fool for these shysters.

It may just be you that is being a useful buffoon for those globalist shysters that are probably paying big bucks to someone to lie and to try and spread bullshit to the people into believing that the world will come to an end if we do not try and stop the earth from warming up by two degrees by the end of the century. WOW? Two degrees, eh? You and me will be long gone by then. This is why i am not worried about global warming. Perhaps the world will be a nicer and warmer planet to live on, although, two degrees will not be making the earth all that much warmer.

Al Gore said one time that Miami was supposed to be under water ten years ago. As far as i know, Miami is still above water. Even stupid demonrat AOC said that the world will end in twelve years from now, if we do not do anything about climate change. I believe that six years have passed since she told us that remarkable lie. She just has six more years to see if her prediction comes true. Just two points that Marc Marano has pointed out to losers like you to know about.

So, don't try and tell me that Marc Marano is trying to spread bullshit around. It is people like you that are trying to spread bullshit around. Anybody who tries to tell the other side of the story of this so called climate crisis will always get knocked down by pro globalist fools like you. Just because someone says that global warming is a crisis, does not mean that they know what they are talking about just because they have some kind of degree that says that i can say this and you must believe it. Get lost. 🙃

taxme · December 29, 2023

On 12/27/2023 at 5:14 PM, robosmith said:

That's because you're completely IGNORANT about the science AND the catastrophes that are already happening.

Glaciers that millions depend upon for their fresh water are DISAPPEARING.

You listen to made up propaganda from a PR hack that also knows NOTHING about the science.

So, who gives a crap anyway? You and me will not be around by the end of the century to worry about global warming, you stunned fool. My opinion of you is that you are the ignorant one here who will believe lies if they are supposed to come from people who say that they are in the know.

Some scientists and so called experts will probably say anything to try and get name recognition and an added money bonus to lie. You know as much as i know about global warming which is pretty much nothing at all. We both go by what others tell us. Whomever is telling the truth, i could care less. I liver for today and not tomorrow. 😀

taxme · December 29, 2023

On 12/27/2023 at 5:22 PM, robosmith said:

I got my brains from my Dad, and my knowledge of science from taking science classes in HS, college and GRAD SCHOOL.

Offsets, as I already explained, are invested in CO2 REDUCTION tech equipment USED ELSEWHERE.

Already happening is millions of people around the world are LOSING their FRESH WATER SOURCES.

And that's just the tip of the disappearing ice bergs.

Maybe you should check actual temperatures in the Arctic instead of just making up BULLSHIT.

Here's a clue: it actually gets much warmer than you've GUESSED in the Arctic.

Well, it looks to me like your daddy did not know all that much, and neither do you. Marc Morano has already shown me that little tidbit about people like you and your daddy. Ha-ha.

Such bullshit. So, if i have you right, it is okay for someone to try and stop their spread of CO2 emissions in one place, but it will be alright in the spreading of CO2 emissions somewhere else. Well, that makes sense alright. NOT. 🤔

And you know this personally for a fact, eh, or did some bozo tell you that? Ever heard of desalination? It supposedly works.

I could care less if the tips of any icebergs melt. It happens every year in springtime or did you not know that? Icebergs come and icebergs go. It has been doing that since time began.

When all the ice started to melt around 10,000 years ago, on the North American continent, did the world come to an end? Nope. We just were left with lakes and oceans. There was plenty of land left to live and thrive on.

Again, so what, if some parts of the world end up under water. You still are here, right, walking on land and not needing a boat to get around.

Again, so what. Maybe the Eskimos can now start to grow some fruits and vegetables when their part of the world warms up. A great benefit for those people. I guess building igloos will be a thing of the past. So what is the temperature today in the Arctic? Do you know, scientist professor?

Maybe there are other factors here that is causing some glaciers to melt. I read that some of those glaciers were melting from underneath the bottom of many icebergs, indicating that something is happening under those glaciers that we are not being made aware of. The earth may be heating up the water from under those glaciers. Hey, we never know, eh?

The last i heard it was snowing today in the Arctic. So relax. No melting going on today. LOL.

Do not panic just yet. After all, i do believe that this global climate crisis is just another Covid #2 a la globalists nonsense to try and get we the fossil fuel loving people to get rid of our fossil fuel vehicles and go EV. Phuk that. EV's maybe are okay in the city but not outside the city and to go long distances into the bush. They become useless as teats on a bull, especially, if someone has to drive for hundreds of miles every day to get around, and where there are no charging EV units available. I can see it now. EV charging units all over the countryside and roadways, especially on the roads in the Northwest Territories and the Yukon. Chuckle.

Rebound · December 29, 2023

On 12/27/2023 at 7:34 PM, taxme said:

Why should i give a shit about the climate when the climate has been around and has been changing the planet since time began. Where is the need for me to get into a state of panic like you appear to be doing?

The earth has gone thru tens of thousands of fires, floods, volcano eruptions, earthquakes and other climatic events since time began, but yet here we are, still here and thriving. So, just go away with your climate change nonsense bull crap. Only fools will you will get themselves all upset and in a panic over some flood or fire happening somewhere on earth. There is probably a very good reason for those things to be happening. I like to call it mother earth changing and rearranging the earths geography and scenery.

Just how do people like me make it easy for people to do what they want to do or not to do? Why would anyone listen to me? I believe that you are the ignorant one here, and stunned at that, because it is you that still believes in climate change. So, can you tell me as to what climate change is and has been doing to your nonsense life?

It is the billionaire globalist elite like Al Gore and Leonardo Decrapio who meet every year and discuss climate change, but yet, the things that they say are causing climate change is something that they do not practice. They are the ones that keep trying to push this climate crisis nonsense. Yet, they still fly around in their private jets and their big gas guzzling vehicles and yachts and own a number of homes.

I prefer to stick with my fossil fuel vehicle to get around. It is the only way to go. EV's will soon be going by the way of the dodo bird. Nobody is buying them anymore. There are supposed to be hundreds of thousands of those EV' s sitting on dealership parking lots and nobody buying them. I just spoke to a person that i know that told me that is daughter just traded her EV for a fossil fuel vehicle. I wonder why she would do that?

Maybe it is because she found out that they are not all that great and reliable as we have been told. EV;s may be okay for the city, but way out in the boonies, i don't think that they will be all that great. Workers working on mining sites do not want anything to do with EV's. Not practical or reliable. I say, long live the fossil fuel vehicles. Works for me. LOL.

Earth will be just fine. But human life will not be.

You said that Arctic ice is not melting. That is absolutely, provably false. NASA has been using satellites to measure the minimum and maximum extents of Arctic ice for many decades. They’ve mapped it out. It is absolutely melting. You can see for yourself:

https://climate.nasa.gov

Edited December 29, 2023 by Rebound

Aristides · December 30, 2023

5 hours ago, taxme said:

It may just be you that is being a useful buffoon for those globalist shysters that are probably paying big bucks to someone to lie and to try and spread bullshit to the people into believing that the world will come to an end if we do not try and stop the earth from warming up by two degrees by the end of the century. WOW? Two degrees, eh? You and me will be long gone by then. This is why i am not worried about global warming. Perhaps the world will be a nicer and warmer planet to live on, although, two degrees will not be making the earth all that much warmer.

Al Gore said one time that Miami was supposed to be under water ten years ago. As far as i know, Miami is still above water. Even stupid demonrat AOC said that the world will end in twelve years from now, if we do not do anything about climate change. I believe that six years have passed since she told us that remarkable lie. She just has six more years to see if her prediction comes true. Just two points that Marc Marano has pointed out to losers like you to know about.

So, don't try and tell me that Marc Marano is trying to spread bullshit around. It is people like you that are trying to spread bullshit around. Anybody who tries to tell the other side of the story of this so called climate crisis will always get knocked down by pro globalist fools like you. Just because someone says that global warming is a crisis, does not mean that they know what they are talking about just because they have some kind of degree that says that i can say this and you must believe it. Get lost. 🙃

You parrot garbage from political hacks who have no background in science and somehow think you have a monopoly on the truth. You never question their motives because they are telling you what you want to hear. Al Gore is not a scientist either and An Inconvenient Truth was released 18 years ago. We have learned a lot since then but apparently you have learned nothing and are intent on remaining ignorant.

Edited December 30, 2023 by Aristides

Michael Hardner · December 30, 2023

19 hours ago, Aristides said:

You parrot garbage ...

So why engage?

If this forum Balkanized into separate bodies it might be a better idea...

CdnFox · December 31, 2023

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

So why engage?

If this forum Balkanized into separate bodies it might be a better idea...

If all you want to hear is opinions you agree with, we COULD just get you a voice recorder

There are many here whom i basically rarely or never bother to engage with unless they do so first but its still worth looking at opinions even if they turn out to be stupid. I've never been a proponent of sticking one's head in the sand, i think you miss things if you don't read the useless posts along with the others.

I mean - i read yours after all. (Ba Da TINNGGGGG - tip your waitresses folks, i'm here all week!)

Hodad · December 31, 2023

17 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

So why engage?

If this forum Balkanized into separate bodies it might be a better idea...

I think the issue is that it's unmoderated. There is no expectation, let alone enforcement, of quality participation. So the trolls have set up permanent camp, sucking up all the oxygen with a low-IQ circle jerk. There is no pride of place. It's a flop house.

Nationalist · December 31, 2023

I have asked many times...'Is there a crisis? Where's the proof?'

But there is no proof. Just a bunch of vague statements of potential disaster based on models. Shortly after the latest model is published, it's found to be faulty.

Yet these climate religious would impose their destructive ideas on the entire population because...it's their religion. It's their cult.

Perhaps we should have Clinton re-program them?

CdnFox · December 31, 2023

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

I think the issue is that it's unmoderated. There is no expectation, let alone enforcement, of quality participation. So the trolls have set up permanent camp, sucking up all the oxygen with a low-IQ circle jerk. There is no pride of place. It's a flop house.

If the trolls got punted you'd already be gone.

CdnFox · December 31, 2023

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I have asked many times...'Is there a crisis? Where's the proof?'

TROLL!!! MONSTER!!!! HORN HONKING FACIST!!!!!

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But there is no proof. Just a bunch of vague statements of potential disaster based on models. Shortly after the latest model is published, it's found to be faulty.

Well - obviously having 'Proof" about the future is challenging. If you were about to fall off a cliff, it may be difficult to prove with absolute detail what will happen in the future if you don't step back from the cliff, but it's safe to say it would be bad.

But as you say - the "crisis" today argument has not been made well. And if it is a "crisis" toady why are we screwing around with useless things like carbon taxes?

All i hear is that by this date or that date we're reaching a tipping point where there's no return... and the dates keep coming up and not much changes and nobody's willing to do much that isn't 'virtue signalling".

Aristides · December 31, 2023

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

TROLL!!! MONSTER!!!! HORN HONKING FACIST!!!!!

Well - obviously having 'Proof" about the future is challenging. If you were about to fall off a cliff, it may be difficult to prove with absolute detail what will happen in the future if you don't step back from the cliff, but it's safe to say it would be bad.

But as you say - the "crisis" today argument has not been made well. And if it is a "crisis" toady why are we screwing around with useless things like carbon taxes?

All i hear is that by this date or that date we're reaching a tipping point where there's no return... and the dates keep coming up and not much changes and nobody's willing to do much that isn't 'virtue signalling".

Not a big fan of carbon taxes but what do you think we should be doing that would be effective and not “virtue signalling”?

Edited December 31, 2023 by Aristides

CdnFox · December 31, 2023

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Not a big fan of carbon taxes but what do you think we should be doing that would be effective and not “virtue signalling”?

Well i guess that depends on how serious the 'crisis' really is, and as i noted the case hasn't really been made. I mean - if some of the most extreme positions i've heard are true and it's true that eliminating carbon output would fix it then we should be immediately shutting down all power generation other than wind solar and nukes and carpet bombing the power plants of any country that disagrees.

On the other hand, if some of the lower end predictions are accurate i think focusing on adaptation is probably the more sensible route.

If we're going with somewhere in the middle - then the real answer is making a global or national effort to develop more and better tech to replace our 'dirty' tech. Our current tech is NOT there. IF we were able to radically improve energy storage for example to make it much easier to charge, higher capacity, less weight and easier to produce with longer shelf life it would make solar power a REAL game changer instead of a minor supplement. And then electric cars would make nothing but sense for everyone. Maybe some new propulsion methods to replace jet travel etc. When ICE tech finally got sorted out cars spread like wildfire. There were steam cars before that and such but they didn't quite do the job - that's where we're at.

There's minor things we can do tomorrow but really we need a series of new tech for power production and storage that is as or more convenient and affordable as what we have now. Developing that with the same energy we put into the vaccines wold seem to make a lot of sense.

Aristides · December 31, 2023

29 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well i guess that depends on how serious the 'crisis' really is, and as i noted the case hasn't really been made. I mean - if some of the most extreme positions i've heard are true and it's true that eliminating carbon output would fix it then we should be immediately shutting down all power generation other than wind solar and nukes and carpet bombing the power plants of any country that disagrees.

On the other hand, if some of the lower end predictions are accurate i think focusing on adaptation is probably the more sensible route.

If we're going with somewhere in the middle - then the real answer is making a global or national effort to develop more and better tech to replace our 'dirty' tech. Our current tech is NOT there. IF we were able to radically improve energy storage for example to make it much easier to charge, higher capacity, less weight and easier to produce with longer shelf life it would make solar power a REAL game changer instead of a minor supplement. And then electric cars would make nothing but sense for everyone. Maybe some new propulsion methods to replace jet travel etc. When ICE tech finally got sorted out cars spread like wildfire. There were steam cars before that and such but they didn't quite do the job - that's where we're at.

There's minor things we can do tomorrow but really we need a series of new tech for power production and storage that is as or more convenient and affordable as what we have now. Developing that with the same energy we put into the vaccines wold seem to make a lot of sense.

All of that stuff is being worked on but it takes money. If it isn't profitable it will have to be subsidized and that will mean taxes to provide the money. Carbon taxes should be going to this purpose, not wealth redistribution. That is my main issue with our carbon taxes.

Adapting is not optional, we will have to do that anyway. What can we do to slow the process down and give us more time to adapt and reduce the consequences that will require adaptation. Adapting to higher sea levels alone will be a massive undertaking.

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/environment/2023/08/23/flooding-sea-level-oceans-rise-climate-change-emissions-noaa-predictions/70640635007/

Edited December 31, 2023 by Aristides

CdnFox · January 1, 2024

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

All of that stuff is being worked on but it takes money.

Too bad we blew all ours on a carbon tax then

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If it isn't profitable it will have to be subsidized and that will mean taxes to provide the money. Carbon taxes should be going to this purpose, not wealth redistribution. That is my main issue with our carbon taxes.

Why carbon taxes? Why not just taxes? Raise a tax and pay for the research if we have to. Carbon taxes were supposed to achieve a thing that they're not achieving and they make every single thing more expensive for people and slows the economy. If we need tax money figure it out and put it where it won't hurt our ability to live and doesn't slow our economy down. A half percent more on gst would be more than enough. Or the like.

Or even better - just give tax breaks to any research being done along those lines and promise to promote and buy successful products. Honestly that would likely be more than enough - any tech that fills that criteria is very likely to be wildly profitable. A little encouragement is all it would take to inspire research and investment.

Hell - repurpose existing research funds. There's a lot of research going on right now that can wait till after we save the planet - dedicate that money to this kind of research. No new money required.

There's a lot of ways to do it and fund it and encourage it, many of which are easily affordable. The carbon tax was completely unnecessary and has severely eroded our ability to fund other things and public will to suffer any additional pain.

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

Adapting is not optional, we will have to do that anyway. What can we do to slow the process down and give us more time to adapt and reduce the consequences that will require adaptation.

if by 'we' you mean canada - not really. Other than as i said begin to develop tech that will replace existing polluting tech. But we as a nation cannot reduce emissions enough to make any noticeable difference.

And we just don't have the world respect right now to be a 'lead by example' kind of nation.

So all we can do is our best to adapt and push for effective and affordable replacement tech. It is not believable that we can reudce emissions enough in the next 30 years to make a meaningful change. It IS ENTIRELY believeable that we could invent the next great power storage tech, and/or the next power generation method, and/or the next propulsion system to replace jets etc.

Aristides · January 1, 2024

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Too bad we blew all ours on a carbon tax then

Why carbon taxes? Why not just taxes? Raise a tax and pay for the research if we have to. Carbon taxes were supposed to achieve a thing that they're not achieving and they make every single thing more expensive for people and slows the economy. If we need tax money figure it out and put it where it won't hurt our ability to live and doesn't slow our economy down. A half percent more on gst would be more than enough. Or the like.

Or even better - just give tax breaks to any research being done along those lines and promise to promote and buy successful products. Honestly that would likely be more than enough - any tech that fills that criteria is very likely to be wildly profitable. A little encouragement is all it would take to inspire research and investment.

Hell - repurpose existing research funds. There's a lot of research going on right now that can wait till after we save the planet - dedicate that money to this kind of research. No new money required.

There's a lot of ways to do it and fund it and encourage it, many of which are easily affordable. The carbon tax was completely unnecessary and has severely eroded our ability to fund other things and public will to suffer any additional pain.

if by 'we' you mean canada - not really. Other than as i said begin to develop tech that will replace existing polluting tech. But we as a nation cannot reduce emissions enough to make any noticeable difference.

And we just don't have the world respect right now to be a 'lead by example' kind of nation.

So all we can do is our best to adapt and push for effective and affordable replacement tech. It is not believable that we can reudce emissions enough in the next 30 years to make a meaningful change. It IS ENTIRELY believeable that we could invent the next great power storage tech, and/or the next power generation method, and/or the next propulsion system to replace jets etc.

What taxes would you raise in order to finance those tax breaks?

Canada will have to adapt as well. Rising sea levels will affect many areas of Canada. Much of the Fraser Valley as far east as Chilliwack is only a few feet above sea level and I bet if you checked you could find many other places that are low enough to be affected by storm surges. Bigger storms, drought affecting food production. Prairie farmers will be in rough shape this year if they don't get enough snowfall to raise ground water levels. BC Hydro had to import 20% of its power last year because of drought and low water levels in reservoirs. So much for run of river if that continues.

People say all we have to do is adapt when they have no clue what that will actually mean.

CdnFox · January 1, 2024

Just now, Aristides said:

What taxes would you raise in order to finance those tax breaks?

I literally just gave several examples. The carbon tax is a very regressive tax that severely harms our economy. A small rise in the gst by about a half point would harm less and do more, repurposing existing research money would work, and of course tax breaks and incentives for businesses to conduct that research and develop products are all tried and true.

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Canada will have to adapt as well. Rising sea levels will affect many areas of Canada. Much of the Fraser Valley as far east as Chilliwack is only a few feet above sea level

That is not accurate. But i'm sure there will be areas impacted and adaption will have to take place. Big deal. That's something that is always the case, so we either build dikes or we move people or we do whatever we think is best - there's no chance of the water rising overnight.

I'd be a lot more concerned about our forests and other areas as far as that goes. So lets drop the carbon tax bullcrap and start developing a plan to deal with costal areas, increased risk of forest fire, other heat issues and opportunities as well - my understanding is that much of Canada may enjoy much longer growing seasons and such. Maximize the good, address the bad.

Aristides · January 1, 2024

35 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I literally just gave several examples. The carbon tax is a very regressive tax that severely harms our economy. A small rise in the gst by about a half point would harm less and do more, repurposing existing research money would work, and of course tax breaks and incentives for businesses to conduct that research and develop products are all tried and true.

That is not accurate. But i'm sure there will be areas impacted and adaption will have to take place. Big deal. That's something that is always the case, so we either build dikes or we move people or we do whatever we think is best - there's no chance of the water rising overnight.

I'd be a lot more concerned about our forests and other areas as far as that goes. So lets drop the carbon tax bullcrap and start developing a plan to deal with costal areas, increased risk of forest fire, other heat issues and opportunities as well - my understanding is that much of Canada may enjoy much longer growing seasons and such. Maximize the good, address the bad.

It is very accurate, Sumas Prairie is less than 10 feet above sea level and that is 100 km from the ocean. The Fraser is tidal past Mission. BC Hydro actually did import 20% of its power this year.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-electric-rate-changes-as-province-imports-power-1.7065802

So we will dike all the way to the border? What happens if Washington State doesn't follow suit? The water will just go around our dikes. The most damaging floods in the Fraser Valley are already from water crossing the border. Are you going to move all of Richmond and a large part of Delta, Pitt Meadows etc? How will rising water levels affect Delta Port and the port of Vancouver? The "we will just adapt school" really hasn't put much thought into what that will actually mean.

Edited January 1, 2024 by Aristides